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Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.07 17:49:00 - [1] If we have one on making Jermy Clarkson Prime Minister of Britain, I am considering making one for the British Gov to establish a space agency and build this. It would cost ú5 per gram of nano-tubing and an estimated 20 tonnes of the stuff, so 20 000 000 * 5 = 100M pounds for a Seed elevator around ( ) thick, then use that to lift another Seed, and another till you have something that can lift payloads like a train moves freight. We could just tether it to either Ascention Island near the Equator or to one of our older Aircraft carriers. It is my dream to build this thing - if it is built then the true space age can begin, first to build it however will have access to mining in space which has a hell of a lot more resources of the rare kind than Earth does, ergo Gold might not be worth so much..... so who thinks I should make the petition? ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.07 17:49:00 - [2] If we have one on making Jermy Clarkson Prime Minister of Britain, I am considering making one for the British Gov to establish a space agency and build this. It would cost ú5 per gram of nano-tubing and an estimated 20 tonnes of the stuff, so 20 000 000 * 5 = 100M pounds for a Seed elevator around ( ) thick, then use that to lift another Seed, and another till you have something that can lift payloads like a train moves freight. We could just tether it to either Ascention Island near the Equator or to one of our older Aircraft carriers. It is my dream to build this thing - if it is built then the true space age can begin, first to build it however will have access to mining in space which has a hell of a lot more resources of the rare kind than Earth does, ergo Gold might not be worth so much..... so who thinks I should make the petition? ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.01.07 17:51:00 - [3] You're mad but I like your stance on Anime so I'll vote for you!
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.01.07 17:51:00 - [4] You're mad but I like your stance on Anime so I'll vote for you!
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.07 18:09:00 - [5] can't remember EXACTLY where i read it, but carbon nano tubing isnt as stable as they previously thought, hence the space elevator idea wont work... yet wish i could find that article.. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2008.01.07 18:11:00 - [6] Edited by: Troye on 07/01/2008 18:11:50 Startrek Voyager did an episode based around the space elevator, it sucked and gave them no end of trouble, if it didnt work in startrek its not gunna work IRL. Originally by: GM Nova What the hell???
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.07 18:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Troye Startrek Voyager did an episode based around the space elevator, it sucked and gave them no end of trouble, it it won't work in startrek its not gunna work IRL. Did they? Since when did Star Trek follow real world physics anyway, it's fiction ultimatly and we have never built one in real life. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.07 18:25:00 - [8] Its not a particularly new concept even carbon nano tubes are capable of building something such as this they are still not the most ideal material for the construction, though probably within a decade we'll have the right materials to build an orbital tether. But there's also addition issues such as maintenance of what is basically a giant ribbon in highly turbulent and stressful environment. What is far more likely is to see a space elevator as part of a lunar base which is most likely to happen within a decade simply because it will make delivery of supplies which will be frequent far easier and far cheaper. Mining in space.... that's a lot further off simply because of the amount of development in mining techniques and working in the hostile environments, plus the fact is the moon was most likely formed from a piece of the earth back when it was still a lump of molten rock, therefore is highly likely to have the same distribution of metals as the earth itself. Though there's certainly an interest in it as a possible source of He3. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.07 18:36:00 - [9] Mining in Space, would probably be Mars and the moon for the immediate future, we have the technology to use fusion for propulsion (a nuclear reactor powers lasers which fuse the material) and at the moment we have the tech to build an elevator on Mars so it would be part of a network of logistics. The problem of territory would arise, as if Britain by virtue of the elevator had a monopoly over cheap mass mobility in space then how long till the headlines "revival of the British Empire" and the like are around.... though there are those that would argue a small amount of national pride should be encouraged. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.07 18:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Kirjava Mining in Space, would probably be Mars and the moon for the immediate future, we have the technology to use fusion for propulsion (a nuclear reactor powers lasers which fuse the material) and at the moment we have the tech to build an elevator on Mars so it would be part of a network of logistics. The problem of territory would arise, as if Britain by virtue of the elevator had a monopoly over cheap mass mobility in space then how long till the headlines "revival of the British Empire" and the like are around.... though there are those that would argue a small amount of national pride should be encouraged. Aye i quite agree with you I just dispute it will be anytime soon before we can cost effectively do it and develop techniques that are safe and efficient, and yes your quite right about the ability to build one on mars with the only draw back in construction been the logistics. How ever I think once deployed the structure would still be subject to the rather extreme dust storms on mars that may quite well render it unusable for long periods at a time with limited warning. As for the territory issue, isn't there currently international treaties preventing claims on other celestial bodies. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.07 18:59:00 - [11] There may be, but I think that they would have a hard time enforcing them if we start colonising them. It may be a while but the domed city could be built on Mars not as sci-fi but as the practical solution for mining outposts. We wouldn't have the French breathing down our necks like in the late 18th century so I doubt a rebellion, if British colonies go there and claim soverighnty I think the UN covers that under the right for self detrimention. Within reasonable boundries of course, but I think that "celestial body" may be thrown into doubt as a term as Mars ceases to be a planet and becomes a world in peoples perceptions, not many think of Earth as a planet but as a world if you see the distinction. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.07 19:16:00 - [12] We already have a space programme- the ESA. its like a national space agency, only with far more money. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.07 19:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Patch86 We already have a space programme- the ESA. its like a national space agency, only with far more money. True enough I suppose, would probably be better as an EU level project now I think about it but I actualy decided to post it after reading this, I got the impression that the UK wasn't in the ESA, should have double checked it, my bad ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Shinnen Caldari Northern Intelligence The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.07 20:24:00 - [14] Yeah but Clarkson sort of comes across as wanting to cut back government spending... -- Banned since 2005, back by popular demand! They said it wouldn't happen!!
Narfle Garthok Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.08 01:33:00 - [15] Edited by: Narfle Garthok on 08/01/2008 01:34:36 Edited by: Narfle Garthok on 08/01/2008 01:33:56 While I wish you luck, there is one problem for the UK space elevator. It has to be build exactly on the equator. It was covered very well in the Arthur C. Clarke book, The Fountains of Paradise. Linky
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.08 03:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Narfle Garthok While I wish you luck, there is one problem for the UK space elevator. It has to be build exactly on the equator. It was covered very well in the Arthur C. Clarke book, The Fountains of Paradise. Linky A space elevator does not have to be on the equator. It will encounter some funky stresses if it isn't, but even if it is, there will still be funky stresses. The moon, the sun, other planets... all will exert influence. It isn't a simple matter of "put it on the equator and let centrifugal force do the rest." See Niven's Rainbow Mars for a treatment of a living space elevator with consideration for other celestial influences. Practically speaking, we'll probably see space catapults a la Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress first. Although current materials science seems to be headed towards the development of the high-tensile-strength fibers we think we'd need for an elevator, the concept scales exponentially to truly frightful proportions. We won't get our space elevator until we improve upon either the tensile strength or the mass/volume ratio of carbon nanotubes by several orders of magnitude. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: BB Lazy Lob and Crazy Cob are weaving webs to wind me. I am far more sweet than other meat, but still they cannot find me!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.08 10:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Shinnen Yeah but Clarkson sort of comes across as wanting to cut back government spending... Cutting back Gov spending isn't exactly a good thing, if anything in many areas it should be increased and lending to other countries that cannot pay it back should be abolished. If we lend billions to African nations that can't pay it back, then cancel the debt we should stop lending entirely, we paid the Americans back for WW2 and that should be the standard we expect from those we leand to. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Seroquel	Posted - 2008.01.08 13:30:00 - [18] lulz space exploration. what a waste of monies. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.08 13:49:00 - [19] Edited by: Hooch Flux on 08/01/2008 13:49:19 Dude, if we in the UK wanted to build one of these things it would never get past the science phase and then it would be the "Mach 1 project" all over again. Did you know that the UK figured out how to break the speed of sound before the Americans, we showed some of their generals who were involved with their project, the Americans got our project cancelled and took the prototype before we had a chance to fly it. It had all the answers to the problems they were facing. (Well thats the tinfoil hat theory ) Read here for the official line! I think to build one of these though would require a global effort and could you imagine the mess if part of it fell on a populated area! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.08 14:09:00 - [20] Flux, I know exactly who came up with the jet engine and the rocket, neither were Americans If one of these did fall, they would be like slightly heavier pieces of paper, take a piece of A4, multiply it's weight by 5 and the terminal velocity is still very low due to high surface area ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.08 14:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Seroquel lulz space exploration. what a waste of monies. At the moment, there isn't much to get from there due to the high ú/Kg of mass to get into orbit, the Elevator decreases that by a few orders of magnitude, so theoreticaly a ticket to Mars would cost maybe ú15k? ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.08 14:24:00 - [22] Edited by: Hooch Flux on 08/01/2008 14:24:58 Originally by: Kirjava Flux, I know exactly who came up with the jet engine and the rocket, neither were Americans If one of these did fall, they would be like slightly heavier pieces of paper, take a piece of A4, multiply it's weight by 5 and the terminal velocity is still very low due to high surface area Be cool if they could get it that light. Have you ever read Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series? (Red Mars, Green Mars, and Blue Mars) They go a lot into stuff about Space Elevators. No idea how acurate they are though, but still a good read. I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source Dread Sovereign	Posted - 2008.01.09 05:04:00 - [23] What we really need are ones of these.
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.09 12:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich What we really need are ones of these. You got my vote! -------------------------------- My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
EvilPhog Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.09 12:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich What we really need are ones of these. Requires Caldari Frig V?
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.09 12:58:00 - [26] Not sure the space is ready for a more active human presence...
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:36:00 - [27] As I've said before, the really great thing to do with an orbital elevator would be to run a heat pipe along the tether and make a global heatsink to slow or reverse global warming. ---- Anything less is wasted effort
Xeios Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Kirjava Mining in Space, would probably be Mars and the moon for the immediate future, we have the technology to use fusion for propulsion (a nuclear reactor powers lasers which fuse the material) and at the moment we have the tech to build an elevator on Mars so it would be part of a network of logistics. The problem of territory would arise, as if Britain by virtue of the elevator had a monopoly over cheap mass mobility in space then how long till the headlines "revival of the British Empire" and the like are around.... though there are those that would argue a small amount of national pride should be encouraged. You're close. The actual headline ofcourse would be "The Empire Strikes Back" You know it would, dont deny it now.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:42:00 - [29] Personally, I think the idea of a British Space Elevator is not a good one. Within a week of it becoming operational it will smell of stale tobacco and wee and will break down with alarming regularity should I actually rent a flat in whatever construction it is servicing. Far better to spend the money on above inflation pay rises for MPs and free drugs for pensioners. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Stavro Mueller 2000 Corp	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Troye Startrek Voyager did an episode based around the space elevator, it sucked and gave them no end of trouble, it it won't work in startrek its not gunna work IRL. Did they? Since when did Star Trek follow real world physics anyway, it's fiction ultimatly and we have never built one in real life. He joking dude. Stav.

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