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Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.08 17:29:00 - [1] Hi, As you may have noticed, I'm producing a game based on EVE ships and races (see my signature for more details). Currently I'm designing ships for all of the races, based on these three categories: 1. Primary Weapon 2. Secondary Weapon 3. Electronic Warfare/Other With the Caldari and Gallente, this is relatively easy: Caldari: Missiles, Railguns, Jammers Gallente: Blasters, Drones, Dampeners But when I try to apply this formula to the Minmatar and Amarr, things get a bit more difficult. My overall design for the game limits each race to three distinct ships per class (3 frigates, 3 cruisers, 3 battleships, etc), and I'm having a hard time trying to determine how this should work with the Amarr and Minmatar. I originally came up with something entirely different for the Minmatar: 1. Damage (primary) 2. Tanking (secondary) 3. Speed (tertiary) But I'd prefer to avoid this as it isn't consistent with my normal setup. Amarr I'm even less sure about, since I have almost no experience flying their ships and I feel the general discussion forums are not the best place to determine their appropriate roles/strengths/weaknesses. Thanks in advance for your input! ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2008.01.08 17:45:00 - [2] Hmmmm. Minmatar: Projectiles, split-weapon-system-abomination or nanoship if you don't care about matching the other races, TP or web? Amarr: Lasers, Missiles, TD or nos?
Maeltstome Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.08 17:48:00 - [3] Originally by: Tarminic I originally came up with something entirely different for the Minmatar: 1. Damage (primary) 2. Tanking (secondary) 3. Speed (tertiary) 1. Speed 2. Tanking 3. Damage that's a more accurate one from my experience. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Scarlet Maximus	Posted - 2008.01.08 17:53:00 - [4] Personally I think Gallente would be more like: Drones, Hybrids, Damps For Minmatar maybe: Autocannons, Artillery, Webs Amarr: Lasers, Pulse, Nos? I actually like your Damage-Tanking-Speed idea better tbh though, maybe a little editing, and add in an ewar... say: Amarr: Armor, Beams, Speed, nos Minmatar: Speed, Projecticiles, Shield, web Gallente: Armor, Speed, Hybrids, damp Caldari: Missiles, Sheild, Speed, ecm Something rough like that, and could put different weights on certain things like Amarr armor being stronger than Gallente while Minmatar move faster than all the races... Im bored so just some ideas :P
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.08 17:53:00 - [5] Quote: With the Caldari and Gallente, this is relatively easy: Caldari: Missiles, Railguns, Jammers Gallente: Blasters, Drones, Dampeners Amarr: Lasers, Drones, Cap Neutralizers Minmatar: Projectiles, Missiles, Tracking Disruptors I guess -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.08 18:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Scarlet Maximus For Minmatar maybe: Autocannons, Artillery, Webs Amarr: Lasers, Pulse, Nos? I'm trying to figure out how to best mesh Artillery, Autocannons, Speed, and Target Painters. On one hand: Speed: Artillery (range) and target painters (make up for low damage) Damage: Autocannons (high DPS) Tanking: Autocannons? Artillery? Split-weapon systems? Hrm. Going by Minmatar Battleships: Tempest: Firepower (I usually hear of artillery on this ship) Maelstrom: Tanking (Artillery? Seems too slow for autocannons) Typhoon: Speed, (Autocannons + Missiles) Quote: Something rough like that, and could put different weights on certain things like Amarr armor being stronger than Gallente while Minmatar move faster than all the races Yep, this is already done. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Perry Amarr The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.08 18:21:00 - [7] Amarr: fail - nerfed - decent
Xavier Iblis	Posted - 2008.01.08 18:56:00 - [8] With the Khanid stuff I'd guess... Lasers - Missiles - NOS. Minnie would be... Projectiles - Speed - ??? (Webs, Target Painters, etc. etc.?)
Scarlet Maximus	Posted - 2008.01.08 20:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Scarlet Maximus For Minmatar maybe: Autocannons, Artillery, Webs Amarr: Lasers, Pulse, Nos? I'm trying to figure out how to best mesh Artillery, Autocannons, Speed, and Target Painters. On one hand: Speed: Artillery (range) and target painters (make up for low damage) Damage: Autocannons (high DPS) Tanking: Autocannons? Artillery? Split-weapon systems? Hrm. Going by Minmatar Battleships: Tempest: Firepower (I usually hear of artillery on this ship) Maelstrom: Tanking (Artillery? Seems too slow for autocannons) Typhoon: Speed, (Autocannons + Missiles) Quote: Something rough like that, and could put different weights on certain things like Amarr armor being stronger than Gallente while Minmatar move faster than all the races Yep, this is already done. For Speed you'll probably go with Autocannos while Damage would be for Arty (tracking speed on arty < AC's :P) For tanking I'd say AC's.
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.08 20:51:00 - [10] Edited by: MysticNZ on 08/01/2008 20:51:37 Originally by: Maeltstome Originally by: Tarminic I originally came up with something entirely different for the Minmatar: 1. Damage (primary) 2. Tanking (secondary) 3. Speed (tertiary) 1. Speed 2. Tanking 3. Damage that's a more accurate one from my experience. Not really. I'm always fitted for gankage. Speed is for wimps. Also, Maelstrom is a ganker. It can tank and gank at the same time pretty well.
Kronos Hopeslayer Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.08 21:19:00 - [11] Minmatar: Damage Tanking Webbers Look at the Hyena and it's webbing bonus for reasoning webbing as the 3rd choice.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.08 21:24:00 - [12] if you want to stick with the game its minmatar projectiles missiles target painting and amarr lasers missiles trackin disruptors but really its closer to minmatar projectiles missiles/drones webbers and amarr lasers missiles Nosferatu/neutralizer
VB Sarge The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.08 22:18:00 - [13] for min I'd go Projectiles (or just autocannons if you need to pick one) Missiles (meh, we do use them) Webs should keep you consistant and fits with minnies. www.the-bastards.com
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.08 22:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Rialtor on 08/01/2008 22:55:25 IMO, you're not categorizing your races correctly, and I think that's where your problems stem from...you need the 4th question as to "race role". For example: Caldari Pri Weapon: Missles Secondary Weapon: Hybrids EW: ECM Race Role: EW Amarr Pri: Lasers Secondary: Missles/Drones (tbh) EW: NOS/TD Race Role: Tanking Mimatar Pri: Projectiles Secondary: Missles EW: Webs/TP Race Role: Speed Gallente Primary: Drones Secondary: Hybrids EW: Dampeners Race Role: Drones Race Role being things that are usually intrinic of the ship. Amarr have more armor, Gallente has bigger bays, Minies have more speed, Caldari are good at EW. I think those are the main roles, but even roles can be subcategorized. Into something like race benefits, and race penalities...depends how deep you want to go. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Clearspace Operations Carpe Diem.	Posted - 2008.01.08 23:19:00 - [15] Awesome PWNAGE MANLY.
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar 54th Knights Templar Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.08 23:23:00 - [16] One of the best assets minmatar has is also its drawbacks. We can do EVERYTHING, which means we must train (nearly) every skill. You can't lump us into 3 categories, but you COULD lump some of our ships into 3 categories by themselves. _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.09 00:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon Edited by: Dromidas Shadowmoon on 09/01/2008 00:06:33 One of the best assets minmatar has is also its drawbacks. We can do EVERYTHING, which means we must train (nearly) every skill. You can't lump us into 3 categories, but you COULD lump some of our ships into 3 categories by themselves. Amarr maybe: Armor king, cap master, turret damage? I dunno :P I dunno just about every race needs to train up the same things Minmatar does. Also Minmatar ships have paths where you don't need to train split tanking, so all the races are kind of in the same boat. For a newbie Amarr are probably the biggest investment skill wise to get off the ground. As far as maximizing race potential, just about all the races need everything at some point. With Amarr you need guns, missles, armor tanking, shield tanking, and drones as well. Same with Caldari&Gallente for ships like the Scorpion&Myrm. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Garinthor	Posted - 2008.01.09 04:01:00 - [18] Edited by: Garinthor on 09/01/2008 04:04:55 Edited by: Garinthor on 09/01/2008 04:02:00 IMO, using ur current setup: Make gallente: Drones, Blasters, Dampeners instead and Amarr: Lasers, drones, nosferatu (smartbombs maybe instead of drones?) Minmitar: railguns, missiles, warpdrive (speed increase) but i like rialtors idea up above the best
Tsu'ko	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:26:00 - [19] Amarr might have a tiny bit more armor hp, but the repair bonus on some other races ship beat that by a long shot, amarr isn't the best armor tank.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:30:00 - [20] Edited by: goodby4u on 09/01/2008 10:31:29 Amarr would be Tank damage cap Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:32:00 - [21] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 09/01/2008 10:32:00 Originally by: Scarlet Maximus Personally I think Gallente would be more like: Drones, Hybrids, Damps Contrary to popular belief, and I say this as a Gallente, Drones are secondary to blasters. Blasters are your meat and potatoes of dps, and drones are the sour cream and chives. _________________ Burn.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:56:00 - [22] Minmatar Primary: Projectiles Secondary: missiles, drones Tank: speed, armor, shield Amarr Primary: lasers secondary: drones, missiles Tank: armor ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online. dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Tsu'ko Amarr might have a tiny bit more armor hp, but the repair bonus on some other races ship beat that by a long shot, amarr isn't the best armor tank. resist bonus is better than the rep ammount bonus. any day of the week amarr armor tanks whit resist are stronger than lets say gallente armor tanks whit rep bonus ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online. dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.09 11:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Riho Originally by: Tsu'ko Amarr might have a tiny bit more armor hp, but the repair bonus on some other races ship beat that by a long shot, amarr isn't the best armor tank. resist bonus is better than the rep ammount bonus. any day of the week amarr armor tanks whit resist are stronger than lets say gallente armor tanks whit rep bonus QFT and not only that,but it adds affective hp with higher resists,an armor repping bonus does not. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Tsu'ko Valley Forge STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2008.01.09 11:23:00 - [25] Oh please, fit dual repper and see who tanks the best.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.09 22:03:00 - [26] Thanks for all the responses so far, keep 'em coming! ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2

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