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Lirune Sharmier
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Posted - 2008.01.08 19:00:00 -
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Recently, I've seen several nos/neut dominix's out there and they seem to be unstoppable, even with only one support (doing damage, whatever). They can drain the cap completely on a BC or BS in around 30 seconds and I'm not really sure what a good counter for someone with this setup would be.
Please keep in mind, I've mainly been seeing them in high-sec against warring corps, so an ECM burst is out of the question. The only other thing I can think of is dampening their sensors enough so you stay out of their effective lock-range. Any other ideas?
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.08 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lirune Sharmier Recently, I've seen several nos/neut dominix's out there and they seem to be unstoppable, even with only one support (doing damage, whatever). They can drain the cap completely on a BC or BS in around 30 seconds and I'm not really sure what a good counter for someone with this setup would be.
Please keep in mind, I've mainly been seeing them in high-sec against warring corps, so an ECM burst is out of the question. The only other thing I can think of is dampening their sensors enough so you stay out of their effective lock-range. Any other ideas?
You fly a minmatar battleship with a cap booster. Youll mess him up while hes draining his own cap. ---------------------------------------------
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The Djego
Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.08 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 08/01/2008 19:09:20 2 Cap Boosters and a lot of DPS, also a Passive Armor HP or Shildtank. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! |
Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.01.08 19:27:00 -
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Alt in a Falcon.
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Lirune Sharmier
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Posted - 2008.01.08 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Lirune Sharmier on 08/01/2008 19:34:01 Maybe I didn't place enough constraints on this topic....
Let's try this: Flying gallente ships No alts Sustainable
But, great job on the responses so far! Keep them coming and thanks for no flames!
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Fehnrail
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.08 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lirune Sharmier Edited by: Lirune Sharmier on 08/01/2008 19:34:01 Maybe I didn't place enough constraints on this topic....
Let's try this: Flying gallente ships No alts Sustainable
But, great job on the responses so far! Keep them coming and thanks for no flames!
How about a Nos/Neut Domi?
There is fighting, and then there is fighting: Some weapons are more useful than others, and not all battles must be won. |
madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.01.08 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Fehnrail
Originally by: Lirune Sharmier Edited by: Lirune Sharmier on 08/01/2008 19:34:01 Maybe I didn't place enough constraints on this topic....
Let's try this: Flying gallente ships No alts Sustainable
But, great job on the responses so far! Keep them coming and thanks for no flames!
How about a Nos/Neut Domi?
I would let raw dps do the job. Megathron, just use capinjector to keep guns running and let the plates do the rest.
Or raven with torps and 1 large smartbomb and 1 nos? With shieldextender tank.... _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Fehnrail
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.08 20:31:00 -
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Nosdomi is a perfect counter to Blasterthron, so I hope to god you won't use one. A torp/disco injected Raven will do the trick, yeah. ACphoon with NOS or Smartbombs should also work, really.
There is fighting, and then there is fighting: Some weapons are more useful than others, and not all battles must be won. |
Acoco Osiris
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Acoco Osiris on 08/01/2008 22:31:47 Maybe try a plated neutron blaster Megathron, use little cap yourself and just blast him to pieces.
EDIT: Oh, and probably use ECM drones. ------------------- I nerfed my own sig To amuse you, here is my Retriever ever since its first Trinity deployment. RIP. * * * * ** * * * ** * * * * * *** * ** ** |
Hans Angry
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Angry on 08/01/2008 22:43:33
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Fehnrail
Originally by: Lirune Sharmier Edited by: Lirune Sharmier on 08/01/2008 19:34:01 Maybe I didn't place enough constraints on this topic....
Let's try this: Flying gallente ships No alts Sustainable
But, great job on the responses so far! Keep them coming and thanks for no flames!
How about a Nos/Neut Domi?
I would let raw dps do the job. Megathron, just use capinjector to keep guns running and let the plates do the rest.
Or raven with torps and 1 large smartbomb and 1 nos? With shieldextender tank....
megathron will not due it, my friend Guacamole took his Dominix vs Space Hobo's neturon mega, Guacamole would have won, but Space Hobo had to warp in a Thanatos and muninn to remote rep, and save him, SASRipper and Space Hobo's are ***s, Guac organized the 1 vs 1 with Space Hobo, and hobo cheated Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. And it was ten times too big :p If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:50:00 -
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Gankfit/capless weapons/better nos domi/dual injected ship.
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Flurren
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Angry Edited by: Hans Angry on 08/01/2008 22:47:22
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Fehnrail
Originally by: Lirune Sharmier Edited by: Lirune Sharmier on 08/01/2008 19:34:01 Maybe I didn't place enough constraints on this topic....
Let's try this: Flying gallente ships No alts Sustainable
But, great job on the responses so far! Keep them coming and thanks for no flames!
How about a Nos/Neut Domi?
I would let raw dps do the job. Megathron, just use capinjector to keep guns running and let the plates do the rest.
Or raven with torps and 1 large smartbomb and 1 nos? With shieldextender tank....
megathron will not due it, my friend Guacamole took his neut Dominix vs Space Hobo's neturon mega, Guacamole would have won, but Space Hobo had to warp in a Thanatos and muninn to remote rep, and save him, SASRipper and Space Hobo's are ***s, Guac organized the 1 vs 1 with Space Hobo, and hobo cheated
to beat the domi i would say, another domi, arazu or lachesis could if you were there for a long time and ran him out of cap boosters
I know this incident really mattered you but the rest of us just dont really care tbh...
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Hans Angry
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2008.01.08 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Flurren
Originally by: Hans Angry Edited by: Hans Angry on 08/01/2008 22:47:22
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Fehnrail
Originally by: Lirune Sharmier Edited by: Lirune Sharmier on 08/01/2008 19:34:01 Maybe I didn't place enough constraints on this topic....
Let's try this: Flying gallente ships No alts Sustainable
But, great job on the responses so far! Keep them coming and thanks for no flames!
How about a Nos/Neut Domi?
I would let raw dps do the job. Megathron, just use capinjector to keep guns running and let the plates do the rest.
Or raven with torps and 1 large smartbomb and 1 nos? With shieldextender tank....
megathron will not due it, my friend Guacamole took his neut Dominix vs Space Hobo's neturon mega, Guacamole would have won, but Space Hobo had to warp in a Thanatos and muninn to remote rep, and save him, SASRipper and Space Hobo's are ***s, Guac organized the 1 vs 1 with Space Hobo, and hobo cheated
to beat the domi i would say, another domi, arazu or lachesis could if you were there for a long time and ran him out of cap boosters
I know this incident really mattered you but the rest of us just dont really care tbh...
nice attempt to be a complete douche ****, but it was more of an example, to show a megathron cant get the job done, while trashing the guy. way to be a help to the thread, next time, dont be such a****got, and say something useful Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. And it was ten times too big :p If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
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Knabe
xtort
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Posted - 2008.01.08 23:13:00 -
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my best advice is always have ecm drones, I can keep a bs or command ship jammed for most of a fight with them....5 medium ecm drones. i also fly an astarte so the killing of pretty much everything thats not capitol is a sure bet without taking too much damage. a nutron mega wtih the same ecm drone set up works well as well, but remember to kill the domi's dromes once u get the ship jammed cause they still shoot u. Hope this helps and fly hopefully a lil safer.
Knabe Just a guy flying his way around the Universe. |
Dromidas Shadowmoon
Minmatar 54th Knights Templar Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.08 23:21:00 -
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Quote: with only one support (doing damage, whatever).
You mean that they have a friend with em? Other than the stuff people have posted before, the only good counter to a 2 on 1 is to bring a friend. _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it. |
Hans Angry
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.01.09 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Knabe my best advice is always have ecm drones, I can keep a bs or command ship jammed for most of a fight with them....5 medium ecm drones. i also fly an astarte so the killing of pretty much everything thats not capitol is a sure bet without taking too much damage. a nutron mega wtih the same ecm drone set up works well as well, but remember to kill the domi's dromes once u get the ship jammed cause they still shoot u. Hope this helps and fly hopefully a lil safer.
Knabe
agreed Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. And it was ten times too big :p If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.09 00:07:00 -
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Gankthron + lots of ecm drones anyone? Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR! |
digitalwanderer
Gallente Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.09 00:42:00 -
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Passive tanked nighthawk....No need for cap period,and if the NOS domi is setup to only be able to sustain his tank by draining the cap of a target ship,he's screwed...
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Aerin Cloudfayr
Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.01.09 01:02:00 -
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ECM Drones will be your saviour, add them to a Vexor and you've got a happy fun time. If you can have a friend in a celestis floating about somewhere, have him sensor damp the lock times on the ugly beggars.
4x Heavy Ions (best named for fit) MWD, Scram, Web Mag stab, Damage Control II, 2xEANM II
5x Vespa EC-600s 5x Hornet EC-300s
a Cheapish fit - Vexors are a dime a dozen, Insure them :) Also, you can probably drop the MWD as you won't need to catch up with them too much, but if they do happen to survive a jam cycle, you might wanna use it to run away before their nos cycle kills ur cap :(
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Naviset
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Posted - 2008.01.09 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Fehnrail Nosdomi is a perfect counter to Blasterthron, so I hope to god you won't use one. A torp/disco injected Raven will do the trick, yeah. ACphoon with NOS or Smartbombs should also work, really.
Nos domi isnt the perfect counter to a blasterthron or hyperion. Yes, killing cap sucks, but a decent thron pilot can inject for the guns and tear a dominix apart anyways. I've killed many domis in a hybrid (Plate + Repper) tanked megathron, or a full active hyperion (killed them before I even ran out of armor / cap.)
Granted, I basically have perfect damage in either ship from skills, and a lot of experience flying both ships since they're all I use for pvp. Short of a faction or better tanked dominix it will crumble without support.
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.09 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr ECM Drones will be your saviour, add them to a Vexor and you've got a happy fun time. If you can have a friend in a celestis floating about somewhere, have him sensor damp the lock times on the ugly beggars.
4x Heavy Ions (best named for fit) MWD, Scram, Web Mag stab, Damage Control II, 2xEANM II
5x Vespa EC-600s 5x Hornet EC-300s
a Cheapish fit - Vexors are a dime a dozen, Insure them :) Also, you can probably drop the MWD as you won't need to catch up with them too much, but if they do happen to survive a jam cycle, you might wanna use it to run away before their nos cycle kills ur cap :(
Your not using the main damage bonus on the vexor. Use a thorax for this setup: Gank+plates and ecmdrones = win Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR! |
Aerin Cloudfayr
Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.01.09 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: arbalesttom
Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr ECM Drones will be your saviour, add them to a Vexor and you've got a happy fun time. If you can have a friend in a celestis floating about somewhere, have him sensor damp the lock times on the ugly beggars.
4x Heavy Ions (best named for fit) MWD, Scram, Web Mag stab, Damage Control II, 2xEANM II
5x Vespa EC-600s 5x Hornet EC-300s
a Cheapish fit - Vexors are a dime a dozen, Insure them :) Also, you can probably drop the MWD as you won't need to catch up with them too much, but if they do happen to survive a jam cycle, you might wanna use it to run away before their nos cycle kills ur cap :(
Your not using the main damage bonus on the vexor. Use a thorax for this setup: Gank+plates and ecmdrones = win
that's true, though was going for drone survivability and cost effectiveness. If you got the cash, definitely go for a Thorax tho :)
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.09 01:37:00 -
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T2 Neutron-thron with ecm drones No matter what people will say 1000dps plus jamming is seriously tough to beat.
Please dear god mods dont nerf this sig too its the 6th freakin one ive put up |
Aerin Cloudfayr
Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.01.09 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Orar Ironfist T2 Neutron-thron with ecm drones No matter what people will say 1000dps plus jamming is seriously tough to beat.
Pretty much, Anything fielding a full wing of ECM drones will win - Your chances of wiping the domi with a Neutron Megathron will make a sound like awesome :P
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.01.09 04:04:00 -
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Counter argument: ecm drones in the domi! Now neither of you can fight! haha!
Or, domi can simply use 1 or 2 smartbombs with his neuts/nos.
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Lirune Sharmier
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Posted - 2008.01.09 06:10:00 -
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So far, the best ideas I've heard: Lots of DPS (always a reliable argument) NOS/Neut the Dominix back and rely on drones for damage ECM Drones (great/original idea!) Projectile Weapons w/ passive tank(no cap use)
But is there really a counter to this? All of these ideas have merit, but most of them are lacking in one place or another (or rather, my character is lacking, skill-wise). Usually, the accompanying pilot is of another corporation and is just remote-repping/transferring shield/transferring cap to the enemy ship. I know that this makes the support ship a fair target, but I would rather not bring their whole Corp into the battle by attacking the support.
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.09 08:01:00 -
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two gank megathrons will pwn two nos domis. Add more numbers and it gets worse. Best way to kill a nos domi is lots of dps, or a rook to go with your mega. Boost The Eagle! |
MalVortex
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Posted - 2008.01.09 08:07:00 -
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Torp Raven + ECM Drones. Or just have a friend in an EWAR ship and jam him to hell and back.
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Drommy
Gallente Bi0Sh0ck
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Posted - 2008.01.09 12:23:00 -
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RUN AWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROBS FROM THE POOR, KEEPS IT IN HIS WALLET. DROMMY HOOD! DROMMY HOOD! DROMMY HOOD!!!! |
Aerin Cloudfayr
Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.01.09 15:10:00 -
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if he has smartbombs your drones are deaderer :(
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