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MajorScrewup
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: MajorScrewup on 08/01/2008 22:31:36
Just curious about how many people have done this plex.
Its incredibly hard (I've done the Maze and would say, a lot lot harder).
At the moment I am on the 2nd Escaltion. Original and 1st escaltion were hard, but doable with a logistics.
The 2rd escaltion part is insane though, theres a Blood Raider Fleet Outpost, 12 Energy neutralizers + the usual motley crew of battleships, scrambling frigs etc. These would not be a problem except for the Citadel Torpedo hitting you every 30 seconds, with being insta webbed the moment you get in with no cap (12 energy neutralising towers) 
So far the longest I have managed to last in there is 2 minutes, popping all the scrambling frigs etc, before a new wave was unleashed.
Attempts so far have been Ishtar tank with 2 logistics, 50k megathron tank with 2 logistics...
Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated 
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.09 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 09/01/2008 00:13:24
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 09/01/2008 00:12:31
Jesus... people remember: battleships ARE CRAP FOR TANKING PLEXES.
Use command ship with plates + hardeners. As this one is sansha EOS would be one of best tankers for it - just slap in 1-2x 1600mm, 2x EM, 1x thermal, DC. Or if citadel torp deals other damage than EM/Therm tank for it too lowering thermal resi.
Eos warps in and just before getting aggro from everything 1-2x logistics warp in. Eos gathers aggro 5 seconds later logistics should be repping him already.
Seriously thought that ex-carebears should know it better.
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or ask ernest for help...
EDIT2:
HI HELEN o/
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hellsknights
RennTech
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.09 03:03:00 -
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Can you stay out of range of the neut towers? and what is the range of those neut towers?
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Dexcius
Space Plague
Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2008.01.09 16:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Jesus... people remember: battleships ARE CRAP FOR TANKING PLEXES.
It's only your opinion, not more. I did most of the Angel plexes with my Dominix+logistic, include 10/10, Provincial HQ etc etc.
About neyt towers, it is no problem at all because tanking BS do not repare self, it's all logistic's work. Just go to plex, grab all aggro, call to logistics and go ahead.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.09 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dexcius
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Jesus... people remember: battleships ARE CRAP FOR TANKING PLEXES.
It's only your opinion, not more. I did most of the Angel plexes with my Dominix+logistic, include 10/10, Provincial HQ etc etc.
About neyt towers, it is no problem at all because tanking BS do not repare self, it's all logistic's work. Just go to plex, grab all aggro, call to logistics and go ahead.
No its not only my opinion:
1. BS's have basic resists WAY lower than any HAC or Command Ship thus need more hardeners
2. BS's have higher sig radius than both above thus need more remote reps on them
Only advantage is high basic armor/shield points but those can be easily patched by using 1x plate (or extender tho extenders negate loser sig advantage a bit).
Yes you can run it in BS, never stated otherwise. But compared to well fit HAC or Command its way less effective. Also IIRC Angel 10/10 is not the hardst plex out there.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr
The Imperial Guards
Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.09 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/01/2008 20:23:48
Is that the blood one where the tower shoots 180k (yes thats 3 x doomsday) EM torps at you every 30 seconds?
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MajorScrewup
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Posted - 2008.01.09 22:16:00 -
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Yes this is a blood raider exploration site. As stated its the 3rd escaltion of the initial plex.
Warp in ship gets all the aggro at warp in and gets webbed and neuted to zero cap. The Blood Raider Fleet Outpost hits you for around 3,000k damage depending on resists and then u are systematicaaly pummeled every 30 seconds by a Thor torpedo which has a 90X damage modifier.
We managed to clear alll the frigates that warp scrambled, to be hit with another wave of warp scrambling frigates, tried taking out the Neutralizing towers, but they have a lot of hitpoints.
As stated i've ran the Maze in a 4 man gang. Ishtar Tank + logistics first 3 tages; Tank, logistics + 2 bships for dps in final stage. The Maze is easy and I have no problems doing it.
Tried to apply same principles here but the plex hits harder, with the additional problems of being webbed and neutralised. At least in the maze they are small structures which can be removed quickly to get the tank, orbiting a logistics.
Hopefully this will still be there tomorrow and we may try again.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.09 22:57:00 -
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Respawns can get nasty but 1x tank (eos would be best here tho you can try claymore too) and 2x logistics should take care of it. Second logistic is mostly to help rep 1st logistic at respawn (tho i think eos should be able to use rep drones + remote reps to create mini spider-rep with logistic ship).
Damage dealers just blast everything to pieces (starting with respawns if they get on wrong ship). Neutraliser towers shouldnt be a problem - even if they drain tank, logistic ships are ones doing the job. Just remember to put passive hardeners on tank.
Also: smartbombs sometimes are useful :)
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Sabahl
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.18 11:01:00 -
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Let me just state for the record that flying a carrier in is NOT the way to do this. Grrrr.
Is this plex even worth completing? The first two stages are ridiculous enough. At this rate unless we get 3x corpus x-type items it just isn't worth the heartache.
Going to try again tonight using a tanked-to-the-eyeballs Muninn with two spidering logistics and see what happens. |
xStaRx
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Posted - 2008.01.18 14:53:00 -
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call capitalships in
let's say 1 dread take out all NOS Towers and structures
Carrier kill anything else+support Dread.
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ikoban
Amarr
Scarlet Scourge Society
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Posted - 2008.01.19 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 09/01/2008 00:13:24
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 09/01/2008 00:12:31
Jesus... people remember: battleships ARE CRAP FOR TANKING PLEXES.
Use command ship with plates + hardeners. As this one is sansha EOS would be one of best tankers for it - just slap in 1-2x 1600mm, 2x EM, 1x thermal, DC. Or if citadel torp deals other damage than EM/Therm tank for it too lowering thermal resi.
Eos warps in and just before getting aggro from everything 1-2x logistics warp in. Eos gathers aggro 5 seconds later logistics should be repping him already.
Seriously thought that ex-carebears should know it better.
EDIT:
or ask ernest for help...
EDIT2:
HI HELEN o/
umm i found that I could tank full room agro 10/10 angel plexs wth an absol IF i had 15 heavy maint bots on me.. and i kept moving.. while doing this i took down frigs and cruisers while corpies took down bs's..
if corpies had large remaote reppers they used them on me sometimes.
as i was the main tank what we did was...
I would warp into a room, and they would follow 10 secionds later, and right away log out of the game and relog, by the time that happened, I would have full room agro and they would set maint bots on me oonthier return.
nice and easy.
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