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Hermosa Diosas
The-Secret-Service
Retribution.
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Posted - 2008.01.10 14:15:00 -
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Does the true sec of a system determine if a faction/officer rat will spawn or is it totally random
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Hermosa Diosas
The-Secret-Service
Retribution.
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Posted - 2008.01.10 14:15:00 -
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Does the true sec of a system determine if a faction/officer rat will spawn or is it totally random
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2008.01.10 14:19:00 -
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Dont know the answer to that.
But can say that officer spawns seem to appear more often in there home regions.
Thats just my experience though 8 out of 10 of my DG officer kills were in venal even though I spent more time searching vale and tenal. |
Dav Varan
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Posted - 2008.01.10 14:19:00 -
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Dont know the answer to that.
But can say that officer spawns seem to appear more often in there home regions.
Thats just my experience though 8 out of 10 of my DG officer kills were in venal even though I spent more time searching vale and tenal. |
Shenko Minara
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Posted - 2008.01.10 15:50:00 -
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no, what matters is making sure you clear the system of any small rats. some people talk about "chaining" but this is nonsense and to get the best chance at faction spawns you should kill everything, you'll earn more that way.
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Shenko Minara
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Posted - 2008.01.10 15:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Shenko Minara
no, what matters is making sure you clear the system of any small rats. some people talk about "chaining" but this is nonsense and to get the best chance at faction spawns you should kill everything, you'll earn more that way.
That is an example of an opposite post. If anyone else says any of the above, they too are opposite posting.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.10 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Shenko Minara
no, what matters is making sure you clear the system of any small rats. some people talk about "chaining" but this is nonsense and to get the best chance at faction spawns you should kill everything, you'll earn more that way.
while you kill all rats in system and keep getting those lame 500K isk reward spawns while waiting for that officer spawn to happen, i'll chain the 1.2M isk reward rats for several hours...
end result after 3 hours: i got around 300M isk in rewards, reprocessed loot and salvage and you are still waiting for your officer spawn to happen.
i prefer 1M isk on a steady basis rather than 100M isk on a "maybe" basis
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Shenko Minara
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Posted - 2008.01.10 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Originally by: Shenko Minara
no, what matters is making sure you clear the system of any small rats. some people talk about "chaining" but this is nonsense and to get the best chance at faction spawns you should kill everything, you'll earn more that way.
while you kill all rats in system and keep getting those lame 500K isk reward spawns while waiting for that officer spawn to happen, i'll chain the 1.2M isk reward rats for several hours...
end result after 3 hours: i got around 300M isk in rewards, reprocessed loot and salvage and you are still waiting for your officer spawn to happen.
i prefer 1M isk on a steady basis rather than 100M isk on a "maybe" basis
You are part of the 99% I refer to in my sig. Do you even *read* the threads you post in? Now go back and read the thread before editing your post.
Oh and you're not making 100mil/hour chaining 1.2mil ISK rats, even with a dedicated salvage alt. At most you're making 50mil/hour.
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Neon Razor
Caldari
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2008.01.10 17:23:00 -
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i kill all rats in system until i get spawns worth chaining then go from start to end belt killing every spawn that has bounties of below 2.5mill isk and chain any spawn with bounties over 2.5mill isk
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Yakoff
Star Scream Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.10 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Razor
i kill all rats in system until i get spawns worth chaining then go from start to end belt killing every spawn that has bounties of below 2.5mill isk and chain any spawn with bounties over 2.5mill isk
Damn, what type of rats are you hunting that have bounties at 2.5 mill isk?
Anyway - to answer OP's question - yes true sec does matter. In NPC owned systems, you don't have to worry though as the true sec remains the same. It will be random - don't expect to get officer/faction every 2 hours of rating. And like me - usually after you got those rats really ****ed off at you, they usually just send hauler spawns after you instead of an officer.
In conquerable space, this is where the true sec does come into play. The better TS status - the better rats - and always a better chance of getting those officers.
Good luck finding the really good true sec in conquerable space - as those will already be owned by the bigger alliances/corps. They may rent those systems out for you for an enourmous fee.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kayna Eelai on 10/01/2008 18:24:02
Originally by: Shenko Minara
Now go back and read the thread before editing your post.
maybe mister smartass would like to enlighten me what i missed? you say you prefer to kill everything for better chance of officer spawn, i say i prefer to chain as i get a constant income which in the end, is bigger. i've tried what you do and have been ratting a whole weekend, killing EVERYTHING in every belt, and still waiting for a officer spawn. maybe you should L2READ?
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Oh and you're not making 100mil/hour chaining 1.2mil ISK rats, even with a dedicated salvage alt. At most you're making 50mil/hour.
actually... you're so wrong. i can make more than 100m/hour depending what system (how many belts) exactly i am ratting in and how many other people is around. and here's the kicker: it does NOT relay on some "lucky spawn". i have my killing main and an alt with a salvaging battlecruiser, a safespot with plenty of GSCs and a hauler sitting at the pos.
next time, before making stupid signs and even more stupid and clueless arguments, try and get a brain... or at least a clue.
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Maltitol
Gallente
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Edited by: Kayna Eelai on 10/01/2008 18:24:02
Originally by: Shenko Minara
Now go back and read the thread before editing your post.
maybe mister smartass would like to enlighten me what i missed? you say you prefer to kill everything for better chance of officer spawn, i say i prefer to chain as i get a constant income which in the end, is bigger. i've tried what you do and have been ratting a whole weekend, killing EVERYTHING in every belt, and still waiting for a officer spawn. maybe you should L2READ?
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Oh and you're not making 100mil/hour chaining 1.2mil ISK rats, even with a dedicated salvage alt. At most you're making 50mil/hour.
actually... you're so wrong. i can make more than 100m/hour depending what system (how many belts) exactly i am ratting in and how many other people is around. and here's the kicker: it does NOT relay on some "lucky spawn". i have my killing main and an alt with a salvaging battlecruiser, a safespot with plenty of GSCs and a hauler sitting at the pos.
next time, before making stupid signs and even more stupid and clueless arguments, try and get a brain... or at least a clue.
can you explain 100misk/hr, if you dont mind? im not syaing its not possible.. but.. best spawn is 1.85m x3 PER belt with an average of 10 belts a system, 2 minutes per rat = ~55m in 1hr
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:41:00 -
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On topic:
I have yet to see or hear of an officer outside NPC home regions in a system of worse than 0.77 sec. It seems to coincide with systems that spawn the highest bounty rats.
In NPC home regions they can spawn in any system regardless of truesec, again same as the highest bounty rat.
So my guess is that you can find officers in:
- Any system that is in an NPC home region (Delve, Fontain, Curse and whatever the Guristas and Sansh Home regions are)
- Any system that has a truesec of -0.75 or better.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:52:00 -
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NPC Regions do not have the same truesec throughout.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:52:00 -
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Since most people didn't even bother answering the OP's question:
System security does affect the chance of faction/officer spawns. The lower the sec is, (best chance is at -1.0) the higher the chances of an officer spawn get. In addition, NPC-controlled 0.0 regions have a much higher chance rate than -1.0 security systems, even if the NPC system's security status is much higher.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Maltitol
Originally by: Kayna Eelai
Edited by: Kayna Eelai on 10/01/2008 18:24:02
Originally by: Shenko Minara
Now go back and read the thread before editing your post.
maybe mister smartass would like to enlighten me what i missed? you say you prefer to kill everything for better chance of officer spawn, i say i prefer to chain as i get a constant income which in the end, is bigger. i've tried what you do and have been ratting a whole weekend, killing EVERYTHING in every belt, and still waiting for a officer spawn. maybe you should L2READ?
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Oh and you're not making 100mil/hour chaining 1.2mil ISK rats, even with a dedicated salvage alt. At most you're making 50mil/hour.
actually... you're so wrong. i can make more than 100m/hour depending what system (how many belts) exactly i am ratting in and how many other people is around. and here's the kicker: it does NOT relay on some "lucky spawn". i have my killing main and an alt with a salvaging battlecruiser, a safespot with plenty of GSCs and a hauler sitting at the pos.
next time, before making stupid signs and even more stupid and clueless arguments, try and get a brain... or at least a clue.
can you explain 100misk/hr, if you dont mind? im not syaing its not possible.. but.. best spawn is 1.85m x3 PER belt with an average of 10 belts a system, 2 minutes per rat = ~55m in 1hr
You can easily get 2 extra M per rat salvaging.
Abnd true sec matters. In non NPC space you will find officers only on -0.9 or better.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 10/01/2008 18:55:18
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Abnd true sec matters. In non NPC space you will find officers only on -0.9 or better.
That is definitely false. Hakim in a -0.77 in Tenerifis can prove that. Pretty certain it is the same threshold that limits 1.85 mil spawns, which I am guessing is -0.75.
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There is no 'r' in faction
There is no 'a' in Scorpion
There is no 'e' in Caldari
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 10/01/2008 18:55:18
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Abnd true sec matters. In non NPC space you will find officers only on -0.9 or better.
That is definitely false. Hakim in a -0.77 in Tenerifis can prove that. Pretty certain it is the same threshold that limits 1.85 mil spawns, which I am guessing is -0.75.
I can confirm Leandro's statement, as I've seen Hakim spawn in a -0.788 system. However, Hakim is considered a "low-quality" officer, so I'm not sure if you'll need a system with a lower sec status to get the high-end officers. (such as estamel, gotan, etc)
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Maltitol
can you explain 100misk/hr, if you dont mind? im not syaing its not possible.. but.. best spawn is 1.85m x3 PER belt with an average of 10 belts a system, 2 minutes per rat = ~55m in 1hr
you're about right about +-50M/h of you only count the rewards. but my alt salvages/hauls and loots EVERYTHING (even cap boosters... they sell nicely in 0.0 hehe)
i have a pretty good working "routine" and using two accounts. i don't rat too far from our 0.0 outpost and other alliances outposts are around 10 jumps away.
if i'm lazy or in need of "fast isk" i make less and sell salvage and reprocess loot. if not, i make rigs and sell certain loot at certain 0.0 outposts to maximize income.
i do NOT make +100M isk/hour, i DO however make +500M isk in a 5h. gaming session. your calculator might say it's the same, but it's not, if you know what i mean.
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Edvard Bleth
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Edvard Bleth on 10/01/2008 19:12:32
True sec status seems to have no effect on the chances of an officer spawn, as long as you're in true 0.0. Officers do have a better chance of spawning in regions that have the faction headquarters.
We've seen officers in the worst systems in a constellation (-0.10 sec status as opposed to -0.85) just as much as we've seen them in the better systems. The grade of officer and the loot drop doesn't seem to be related to the sec status either. Some of the best drops have occurred in the worst systems.
The rule of thumb is one chance of an officer spawn per constellation per day.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.01.11 17:50:00 -
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they are so rare and random that anyone telling you that it does matter must do nothing but rat all day on dozens of accounts and log everything  and have proof to show you
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