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Hook1971	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:27:00 - [1] I know there have a lot of discussions on this but the real solution all comes down to the death penalty. How many people can honestly say "If the death penalty wasnt so bad, I would go to low sec or 0.0" I know I would. Now I'm not saying to change the penalty to that of WoW. That would be terrible. But just tweak it a little. 1. Make insurance payouts better. Or make insurance be a monthly bill. Say 1% a month of the price of the ship. And the payout would be 100% of the average price of the ship. The longer you go without making a claim, the lower the monthly bill will be. The more claims you make, the higher the monthly bill. 2. This one may be a little more radical. But when you lose an insured ship, your insurance agent will automatically scan the market for you and buy you a new ship from the lowest bidder in the region the agent is in. That way, after you ship goes pop. You get an email from your agent saying "Sorry about your ship, your new ship is in a hangar in (name of system) Then all you have to do is go get it. You will of course have to refit it which I think is a fair penalty in itself. Implimenting something like this would get me to venture out. Anyone else think this is a good idea or am I just being silly?
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Hannobaal on 10/01/2008 21:36:37 Originally by: Hook1971 2. This one may be a little more radical. But when you lose an insured ship, your insurance agent will automatically scan the market for you and buy you a new ship from the lowest bidder in the region the agent is in. That way, after you ship goes pop. You get an email from your agent saying "Sorry about your ship, your new ship is in a hangar in (name of system) Then all you have to do is go get it. You will of course have to refit it which I think is a fair penalty in itself. Why???? And as for the post in general, if it was up to me I'd rather see insurance removed completely. If you want to venture out in to low-sec all you have to do is: 1. Not be a risk-averse sissy, and stop being afraid of losing stuff. 2. Only fly what you can afford to lose. 3. Go there in something cheap and survivable at first (like a fast tech 1 frig) and move around, get to know what it's like, learn the tricks to survive there. 4. Then when you know how to live there safely (and low-sec is very safe when you know what you're doing), move there. Edit: And as for 0.0 (just noticed that in the title), just join a territory holding alliance that lives there and isn't at war, and you can live out there relatively safely. There's not much to it. (Rules 1 and 2 from above apply here as well.)
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:39:00 - [3] NO!
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:40:00 - [4] Honestly, lowsec is more dangerous than 0.0 due to the piracy, but if they really wanted people to move out of highsec they'd do something about the profit potential of lowsec. as it is you can have a highsec trade alt to make money or run missions, but 0.0 ratting is where it's at for making money without having to think to hard or be skilled at it. I'd like to see the rats in lowsec improved, BC rats should be just a little bit worse than BS rats not pitiful like they are. ... Why do I PvP? Because I love the feeling I get when I see the pretty lights and know that someone somewhere is screaming incoherently at their computer screen.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Cybarite lowsec is more dangerous than 0.0 due to the piracy, That's rubbish. Low-sec is almost as safe as high-sec to anyone who lives in 0.0. There are more people willing to shoot you in 0.0, and it's far, far easier for them to catch you. I haven't lost a ship in low-sec (where I didn't willingly engage someone myself) for like 10 months or so.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 10/01/2008 21:50:51 Originally by: Hannobaal If you want to venture out in to low-sec all you have to do is: 1. Not be a risk-averse sissy, and stop being afraid of losing stuff. 2. Only fly what you can afford to lose. 3. Go there in something cheap and survivable at first (like a fast tech 1 frig) and move around, get to know what it's like, learn the tricks to survive there. 4. Then when you know how to live there safely (and low-sec is very safe when you know what you're doing), move there. This. Low-sec survival is preety easy. Saying that low-sec is riskier then 0.0 is sheer idiocy. Rifters!
Isan Danderoda Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:53:00 - [7] Remember that the overall reason for the different sec zones is to allow different types of players to enjoy different aspects of the game. I think the high numbers of high-sec pilots generally has more to do with the fact that lots of people don't want to factor PvP in to their experience beyond the general hazards found in high-sec. Honestly you could make the payouts in low-sec and null-sec even higher and it still won't encourage too many people to hazard the areas. Let's face it. PvP simply isn't appealing to a lot of people. They have different game goals, and do their thing. What's wrong with that?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Cybarite lowsec is more dangerous than 0.0 due to the piracy, That's rubbish. Low-sec is almost as safe as high-sec to anyone who lives in 0.0. There are more people willing to shoot you in 0.0, and it's far, far easier for them to catch you. I haven't lost a ship in low-sec (where I didn't willingly engage someone myself) for like 10 months or so. Exactly. At least 90% of the people who talk about Low-sec being more dangerous than 0.0 have never lived in 0.0 at all. Not only are there more people to shoot you and easier to catch you, there is even less to protect you, and on top of that, due to conquerable stations, it is infact possible to lose a lot more. Running a gate camp in low-sec is easy if you're paying attention. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
MEGA KILL	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Hook1971 Idea on how to get more people in low sec/0.0 replace ( 0.0 ) term with - carebear paradise - and promise them PHat roids
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Hook1971 I know there have a lot of discussions on this but the real solution all comes down to the death penalty. Though I have to agree it would lead to more people doing PVP, it would also cheapen the PVP experience. I also have to agree that low-sec and no-sec are far too under populated, but feel there are better solutions. The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:17:00 - [12] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 10/01/2008 23:17:22 How many people can honestly say "If I wanted the death penalty to not be so bad, I would go to WoW or Hello Kitty online"? - DesuSigs
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Adunh Slavy I also have to agree that low-sec and no-sec are far too under populated, but feel there are better solutions. If low-sec was any more populated, it would've been impossible to do anything in it. Low-sec population is fine. Rifters!
Lt Angus Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:24:00 - [14] Low sec is full enough already Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
The Djego Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:24:00 - [15] This would simply remove the reason why Corps and Alliances loose Space. Simply because you need to pay for your ships and if you loose to may you have to fly cheaper ones or retreat. If you remove this EvE would become some kind of test server Combat area. People hop in and don¦t mind to loose 30 BS in a hour because the can replace them. Mostly People don¦t move to low Sec or 0.0 because they are scared of loosing ships. This is actual a process of your own EvE experience if you start to see that you WILL lose ships and ISK. This is where you start fighting, thinking and play tactical. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Yohanes Flame Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:25:00 - [16] Edited by: Yohanes Flame on 10/01/2008 23:25:14 Low sec is riskier simple due to the higher population in comparison to 0.0. More people = more guns. You can fly for 20 jumps in 0.0 without seeing another pilot. EDIT: op go play wow ____________________________ One Thead to rule them all - Boot.ini pre-patch thread
Hook1971	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Adunh Slavy I also have to agree that low-sec and no-sec are far too under populated, but feel there are better solutions. If low-sec was any more populated, it would've been impossible to do anything in it. Low-sec population is fine. I think this is what you meant to say If low-sec was any more populated, it would've been impossible for pirates to do anything in it.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:27:00 - [18] Big help would be to move higher level Agents to lowsec / 0 sec, this would also force a more natural wealth distribution linked to Risked versus Reward and gradually move players from high sec to lower sec. I.e. Sec 1.0 quality -20 to -18 Sec 0.9 -17 to -15 Sec 0.8 -14 to -12 Sec 0.7 -11 to -9 Sec 0.6 -8 to -6 Sec 0.5 -5 to -1 Sec 0.4 0 to +3 Sec 0.3 +4 to +6 Sec 0.2 +7 to +8 Sec 0.1 +9 to +10 Sec 0.0 +11 to +20 - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
The Djego Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Lt Angus Low sec is full enough already Not realy you have many PVP People there(like myself) that like the style of Low Sec PVP or simpy Pirating. It lacks a bit the rewards to bring more people in that are interested in making money wihout the 0.0 requirments and risks. So mostly by boosting the rewards of Low Sec you will have more targets and more Market/Population. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
The Djego Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:29:00 - [20] Originally by: Yohanes Flame Edited by: Yohanes Flame on 10/01/2008 23:25:14 Low sec is riskier simple due to the higher population in comparison to 0.0. More people = more guns. You can fly for 20 jumps in 0.0 without seeing another pilot. EDIT: op go play wow You even were in Great Wilderlands? ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Yohanes Flame Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Yohanes Flame on 10/01/2008 23:30:32 isn't living in High sec kinda like having a second job? or is there something i am missing? Edit: previous poster not all time or all places but it is defiantly less crowded than low sec by many many multiples. ____________________________ One Thead to rule them all - Boot.ini pre-patch thread
Hook1971	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:32:00 - [22] Edited by: Hook1971 on 10/01/2008 23:35:18 Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Lt Angus Low sec is full enough already Not realy you have many PVP People there(like myself) that like the style of Low Sec PVP or simpy Pirating. It lacks a bit the rewards to bring more people in that are interested in making money wihout the 0.0 requirments and risks. So mostly by boosting the rewards of Low Sec you will have more targets and more Market/Population. Didnt CCP already try increasing rewards in low sec by having the ability to extract zyd from jaspet? Thats pretty good. How did that work out by the way? Its the risks, not the rewards that will get more people there IMHO
Zinras Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:59:00 - [23] Edited by: Zinras on 11/01/2008 00:00:57 I think something that could help lure carebears into lowsec would be that if you lose your ship during an aggro timer, you'd get no insurance, whereas if someone killed you without you shooting first, you'd get the full payout. This rule would not apply during wars where everything functions as it does now. Then there should also be higher rewards in general to lure people out there. Maybe bounty payouts shifting as you get to lower sec areas, so while you can still get some profit from level 4s in high sec, you might get much more from doing those missions in lowsec. I think CCP in general also need to open up more entry ways into a lot of low sec areas, so there won't be lots of high sec entry points camped 23/7 that you have almost no chance escaping if you transport your mission ship there (which will usually be a BS). Maybe also switch the missions in general to require a more PvP oriented setup, to give people a somewhat fighting chance when probed out (because obviously, pirates will attempt to do this constantly). If these things were implemented I'd be more willing to venture into lowsec (I usually run misions in high sec, which is boring but needs to be done until I am able to support myself better and I get to 0.0 with my corp). Currently, lowsec holds zero interest to me, as all that can possibly happen is that I get blown up, or if I'm the one hunting, which I sometimes do, blow other people up. Basically, I only go there if I wish to blow something up and not because it could make my goal of supporting myself in 0.0 easier to meet. There might be flaws in my ideas but these are my best bet for luring carebears out to lowsec without hurting either side too much.
Leora Nomen Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.11 00:11:00 - [24] Eliminate the security status penalty. How many times have I heard from rookie pirates and other peeps who occasionally pvp "OMG! I'm going to be below -2.0 after all this roaming!!! Sorry peeps, I better go to empire spend the next few days grinding missions and not come out to low sec for more piracy." I really do not understand why the game punishes people for PVPing in PVP areas like low sec. Having negative sec status is a big pita. There are a few pirates who carry their -10 as an honor badge but they are a minority. If you want to make up your sec status, you're forced to grind belt or mission rats that pay 20-30 mil per hour. The same time you could have spent pvping. And if you can earn over 30 million ISK per hour otherwise, you'll also being punished financially, because you're losing out on ISK while spending your time on rats. All of this you get for engaging in PVP in low sec where theoretically you are supposed to engage in it. And for those few anti-pirates who would like to hunt pirate this also makes their anti-piracy difficult. The game punishes them equally with the pirates for engaging in pvp in low sec. Pretty soon they start looking like pirates themselves. So remove sec status loss for PVPing in low sec and keep it only for high sec for the suicide gankers. Introduce some kind of another meter that measures how many engagements you've been in so that pirates can wear it as an honor badge, but make it be irrelevant as to whether you can or cannot enter low sec space. This will increase amount of PVP happening in low sec. The carebear population is not interested in low sec because for the amount of losses it just doesn't pay. I've heard the following from mission runners who ran missions in low sec: - bounties on NPCs are same as in high sec - loot dropped is same as in high sec - LP and agent rewards increase slightly but do not make up for periodically losing of a battleship or battlecruiser to pirates - level 5 missions are totally not worth it For miners the value of ore present in low sec is also not worth the risk of mining there. Of the carebear empire population the only peeps who would have a good reason of venturing out to low sec would be traders and haulers, but they obviously don't stay for long. guide to game time codes
The Djego Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.11 00:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Hook1971 Edited by: Hook1971 on 10/01/2008 23:35:18 Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Lt Angus Low sec is full enough already Not realy you have many PVP People there(like myself) that like the style of Low Sec PVP or simpy Pirating. It lacks a bit the rewards to bring more people in that are interested in making money wihout the 0.0 requirments and risks. So mostly by boosting the rewards of Low Sec you will have more targets and more Market/Population. Didnt CCP already try increasing rewards in low sec by having the ability to extract zyd from jaspet? Thats pretty good. How did that work out by the way? Its the risks, not the rewards that will get more people there IMHO My Idea is mostly spawn more factions, and give better Loot to bring people into the belts again. Mining is a very risky thing in Low Sec that needs nearly the same amount of protection like 0.0. Only deadend systems without Stations are good for mining atm. I would mostly prefere that people hunting for Factionspawns and good Loot so Pirates that like Belt PVP get more Targets. Belthunting actualy is worth someting if you stick around 1-2 hours in a system with 10+ Belts and going for factions. I like this my self, so boosting the spawn rate make it more Risk/Reward. The people have better chances to get something valuable and the Pirates get more targest. Win - Win from my point of view(and I am on both sides ). ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.11 00:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Hook1971 Originally by: Cpt Branko If low-sec was any more populated, it would've been impossible to do anything in it. Low-sec population is fine. I think this is what you meant to say If low-sec was any more populated, it would've been impossible for pirates to do anything in it. It'd be impossible to do any, for example, ratting/missioning/complex-running etc if it were more populated. Would you really want to do anything in a system with ten people in? I mean, really ;P Rifters!
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.11 02:51:00 - [27] Originally by: Leora Nomen Eliminate the security status penalty. How many times have I heard from rookie pirates and other peeps who occasionally pvp "OMG! I'm going to be below -2.0 after all this roaming!!! Sorry peeps, I better go to empire spend the next few days grinding missions and not come out to low sec for more piracy." I really do not understand why the game punishes people for PVPing in PVP areas like low sec. Agreed. For a PVP game, why penalize PVP? There's a great idea here by Reggie Stoneblower. Something like that or very similar would be good. There are lots of people that would do more if it were not for the hassle of sec status. The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Zaerlorth Maelkor	Posted - 2008.01.11 11:44:00 - [28] No! The long version: No! The really long version: #1 1% premium per month for a 100% payout? Are you insane? What insurance company would base a business on a approximate 50-1 loss ratio on every transaction? #2 huh? This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Nur Vadenn Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.11 15:40:00 - [29] Why is it people want more people in low-sec space? I've been wandering low-sec for the past two months and all that is there are pockets of pirates in various states of blood thirsty and starvation. The NPC's are enough to scape a modest living from between bounties and salvage, but because everyone is looking to shoot you in the face you end up spending 80% of your time evading attempts on your life. Low-sec is what it is, but its that way because of players not CCP. If every third low-sec system didn't have a pack of trigger happy yahoos foaming at the mouth for a killmail it would be different. No amount of game mechanics changes will alter the situation in low-sec baring a nerf to combat PvP there. From what I am seeing in this thread people are advocating boosting of PvP in low-sec. Removing security status hits for pirates so there is no penalty at all for being a bandit and murderer? Were does that leave the risk vs. reward equation PvP types so fervently worship? Leave low-sec as it is. Combat PvP junkies made it the way it is today, let them wallow in it now.
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.01.11 15:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Nur Vadenn Why is it people want more people in low-sec space? I've been wandering low-sec for the past two months and all that is there are pockets of pirates in various states of blood thirsty and starvation. The NPC's are enough to scape a modest living from between bounties and salvage, but because everyone is looking to shoot you in the face you end up spending 80% of your time evading attempts on your life. Low-sec is what it is, but its that way because of players not CCP. If every third low-sec system didn't have a pack of trigger happy yahoos foaming at the mouth for a killmail it would be different. No amount of game mechanics changes will alter the situation in low-sec baring a nerf to combat PvP there. From what I am seeing in this thread people are advocating boosting of PvP in low-sec. Removing security status hits for pirates so there is no penalty at all for being a bandit and murderer? Were does that leave the risk vs. reward equation PvP types so fervently worship? Leave low-sec as it is. Combat PvP junkies made it the way it is today, let them wallow in it now. Sounds like someone lost a few ships too many to dem ewil piwates... Want a hug? Either way, to anyone roaming low-sec it should be pretty obvious that low-sec's risk/reward ratio is out of whack. That's why it is scarcely populated in many parts. I won't complain, though. More faction rats with juicy loot for me. And if I feel the itch to blow something player-steered up (or get blown up in the process), I'll grab my PvP gear and head to the appropriate systems.

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