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Cr0n3	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:53:00 - [1] Hey Can EVE (premium) be run with Compiz, I have heard different reports on this and I wonder how those that managed did this, where they using WINE or was it the native LINUX port that was made for us? Any feedback would be nice. Cr0n3
Suki Kamir	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:58:00 - [2] Originally by: Cr0n3 Hey Can EVE (premium) be run with Compiz, I have heard different reports on this and I wonder how those that managed did this, where they using WINE or was it the native LINUX port that was made for us? Any feedback would be nice. Cr0n3 Native Linux Port????? They kept that quiet, or do you mean the the official client which is actually not a native port at all it is the windows version wrapped in cedega?
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.11 07:26:00 - [3] Using compiz means that you use Xgl and not xorg. That means that you can only use indirect rendring as the open GL must first render then re render on top of compiz. And wine don't support this. (And therefore not official version either) However. You can bypass the hole compiz and do directrendring without the use of window manager. This means that you will not be able to move it and when you do cool stuff in compiz EVE will still just lay there and dont follow. 1. Make a batch file containing this: You can call it anything and it should be put somewhere in your path: ===================== #!/bin/sh DISPLAY=":0" if [ -z "$1" ]; then echo "Usage: nonXgl <command>" exit 1 fi LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 "$@" ===================== Then you make it executable. If you called it nonXgl you start eve with: nonXgl eve If you need any parameters you can throw those at the end like normal. Hope this helps.
Suki Kamir	Posted - 2008.01.11 11:04:00 - [4] Compiz doesn't mean XGL at all, XGL is an option but given that Ubuntu has been the most popular distro for the last 2 years and Ubuntu is using aiglx, it is more likely most people are not using XGL. Suki Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper Using compiz means that you use Xgl and not xorg. That means that you can only use indirect rendring as the open GL must first render then re render on top of compiz. And wine don't support this. (And therefore not official version either) However. You can bypass the hole compiz and do directrendring without the use of window manager. This means that you will not be able to move it and when you do cool stuff in compiz EVE will still just lay there and dont follow. 1. Make a batch file containing this: You can call it anything and it should be put somewhere in your path: ===================== #!/bin/sh DISPLAY=":0" if [ -z "$1" ]; then echo "Usage: nonXgl <command>" exit 1 fi LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 "$@" ===================== Then you make it executable. If you called it nonXgl you start eve with: nonXgl eve If you need any parameters you can throw those at the end like normal. Hope this helps.
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.11 11:38:00 - [5] Edited by: Bilanto Gatejumper on 11/01/2008 11:39:01 Edited by: Bilanto Gatejumper on 11/01/2008 11:37:54 Originally by: Suki Kamir Compiz doesn't mean XGL at all, XGL is an option but given that Ubuntu has been the most popular distro for the last 2 years and Ubuntu is using aiglx, Aha? And how come that my fresh installed Ubuntu default starts Xgl? $ ps aux \| grep -i xgl USER 6064 0.0 0.0 1756 488 ? S 08:04 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/share/xserver-xgl/Xgl-lockfile-wrapper :1 -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama USER 6069 3.1 12.2 266628 253920 ? RL 08:04 8:33 Xgl :1 -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama This is "out of the box". Not tweaked in anyway. Originally by: Suki Kamir Its also great if you don't want the missus to know you are gaming when you said you are working ;) I don't care about this. My boss knows I starts eve from time to time, but its only when I need to swap skills.
Suki Kamir	Posted - 2008.01.11 11:53:00 - [6] paladine@main:~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/EFT$ ps aux \| grep -i xgl paladine 13415 0.0 0.0 5120 792 pts/0 D+ 11:51 0:00 grep -i xgl Not entirely sure why you have XGL. Which version of Ubuntu? AFAIK aiglx has been included in xorg by default since either Edgy or Feisty, I am currently using Gutsy and as you can see, no XGL. Suki Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper Edited by: Bilanto Gatejumper on 11/01/2008 11:39:01 Edited by: Bilanto Gatejumper on 11/01/2008 11:37:54 Originally by: Suki Kamir Compiz doesn't mean XGL at all, XGL is an option but given that Ubuntu has been the most popular distro for the last 2 years and Ubuntu is using aiglx, Aha? And how come that my fresh installed Ubuntu default starts Xgl? $ ps aux \| grep -i xgl USER 6064 0.0 0.0 1756 488 ? S 08:04 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/share/xserver-xgl/Xgl-lockfile-wrapper :1 -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama USER 6069 3.1 12.2 266628 253920 ? RL 08:04 8:33 Xgl :1 -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama This is "out of the box". Not tweaked in anyway. Originally by: Suki Kamir Its also great if you don't want the missus to know you are gaming when you said you are working ;) I don't care about this. My boss knows I starts eve from time to time, but its only when I need to swap skills.
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.11 12:30:00 - [7] I use Gutsy. Downloaded the CD and installed it. So for anyone else out there that got it "out of the box", but for some reason don't have the "default setting by default" you might try it. the hint when you need the workaround is when it complains about not beeing able to find any 3d or something.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:24:00 - [8] Edited by: Sevarus James on 11/01/2008 18:24:51 Originally by: Cr0n3 Hey Can EVE (premium) be run with Compiz, I have heard different reports on this and I wonder how those that managed did this, where they using WINE or was it the native LINUX port that was made for us? Any feedback would be nice. Cr0n3 Its' working just fine here. Compiz-Fusion + EVE wine .9.52-Premium I just took this shot a few minutes ago. Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE
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Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:29:00 - [10] Inlined it. eve-files is borking and picassa google is misbehaving as well. inline seems to work. Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE
Cr0n3	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:37:00 - [11] Edited by: Cr0n3 on 11/01/2008 21:38:25 Edited by: Cr0n3 on 11/01/2008 21:37:29 Sevarus James what version of UBUNTU do you use? 7.10 with newest gibbon? What graphic card etc, dual processors, how did you make this happen as I seem to have issues with running Compiz at the same time as EVE(linux ver(cedega)). If you have a walktrugh I would be glad, the spinning desktop is what I love about Compiz so would definitely love that when I am out in the asteroid belts. Spin to a video on another side of the cube and back... Cr0n3
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:14:00 - [12] Edited by: Sevarus James on 11/01/2008 23:18:25 Originally by: Cr0n3 Edited by: Cr0n3 on 11/01/2008 21:38:25 Edited by: Cr0n3 on 11/01/2008 21:37:29 Sevarus James what version of UBUNTU do you use? 7.10 with newest gibbon? What graphic card etc, dual processors, how did you make this happen as I seem to have issues with running Compiz at the same time as EVE(linux ver(cedega)). If you have a walktrugh I would be glad, the spinning desktop is what I love about Compiz so would definitely love that when I am out in the asteroid belts. Spin to a video on another side of the cube and back... Cr0n3 This is the rig: cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ cpu_ghz: 2.0 memory: 2027 videocard_manufacturer: NVIDIA Corporation videocard_type: GeForce 8800 GTS/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW! videocard_ram: 1024 agp_aperture_size: 512 videocard_driver_version: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.07 soundcard: NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at irq 1 soundcard_driver: ALSA Version 1.0.14 machine_bitness: 32 kernel: 2.6.22-14-generic x_version: Xorg Version 1.3.0 distro: Debian lenny/sid <-----this is Ubuntu 7.10. (its how its reported via config tool. GUI version: eve-000066 The picture inlined above is using wine .9.52, but the OFFICIAL CLIENT runs just as well in a window with compiz-fusion. Basic Compiz-Fusion is set up automatically with ubuntu, but its "basic" to ensure maximum compatibility across a lot of hardware. To get the cube, open synaptic or run sudo apt-get install Compiz configuration settings manager Once this is installed you can access it via the upper menu > System > Preferences. To get the cube running you have to check "desktop cube" and "rotate cube". You will also go to the general options tab and make the "Horizontal Virtual Size" = 4. (to give you an actual "cube" to rotate. Now, all of that said, if you are NOT running a decent NVIDIA card (as in 6600GT or better) you're mileage will vary. As ATI blows, I'm not even going to TRY to tell you how to get that one running. Its drivers are improving via AMD's opensourcing them and all, but they are NOT THERE YET. -just fyi. One last caveat. Under compiz you will take a small fps hit. The better the card, the less of a performance issue, but it is there. Also, on some hardware compiz will cause problems. The solution? Easy When NOT running EVE, do things normally. When you wish to run eve do the following: ALT+F2 (brings up "run application" dialog. Put "metacity --replace" and hit enter. This will stop compiz and use the metacity (normal windows manager. When you are done with EVE (and its closed, do the ALT+F2 again, and put: "compiz --replace" and hit enter and this will restart compiz and the cube love for ya. Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE
Astrixx	Posted - 2008.01.12 13:53:00 - [13] Edited by: Astrixx on 12/01/2008 13:54:58 Edited by: Astrixx on 12/01/2008 13:54:34 Edited by: Astrixx on 12/01/2008 13:54:19 Edited by: Astrixx on 12/01/2008 13:53:45 I can confirm that it's possible to run EVE flawlessly with compiz running. I can also confirm latest ubuntu (7.10 gutsy gibbon) defaults with xgl out of the box (that's what I'm running). Here is a video of my typical Ubuntu session (Compiz + EVE + VirtualBox running WinXP ) Click
Sahier	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:09:00 - [14] I can confirm that the official Linux/Cedaga client will successfully run while co-running both Compiz Fusion and Synergy. I'm doing so right this very second as it happens.
Cr0n3	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Cr0n3 on 12/01/2008 20:02:23 Maybe that is the issue then, I have ATI X1400 mobility in my Laptop. It can run the premium in Win, but want my UBUNTU to handle this as well. Im going to keep trying, maybe someone out there has done it... Cr0n3
Astrixx	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:12:00 - [16] Edited by: Astrixx on 12/01/2008 20:16:55 Edited by: Astrixx on 12/01/2008 20:16:00 Originally by: Cr0n3 Edited by: Cr0n3 on 12/01/2008 20:02:23 Maybe that is the issue then, I have ATI X1400 mobility in my Laptop. It can run the premium in Win, but want my UBUNTU to handle this as well. Im going to keep trying, maybe someone out there has done it... Cr0n3 Yeah ATI drivers (while partly open source) still haven't caught up to the maturity of linux nvidia drivers. Even now, I've had to use a few hacks to resolve a few issues I had with nvidia binary driver. Also, someone made a package with the patched wine, which I used, which beats having to compile it yourself. It also might eliminate some problems that might have to do with how you compiled it on your machine.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2008.01.12 21:04:00 - [17] You realize that that packaged .deb is two versions old at this point Astrixx? The .9.52 and .9.53 versions don't need patching any longer. Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE
Suki Kamir	Posted - 2008.01.12 21:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Astrixx Edited by: Astrixx on 12/01/2008 13:54:58 Edited by: Astrixx on 12/01/2008 13:54:34 Edited by: Astrixx on 12/01/2008 13:54:19 Edited by: Astrixx on 12/01/2008 13:53:45 I can confirm that it's possible to run EVE flawlessly with compiz running. I can also confirm latest ubuntu (7.10 gutsy gibbon) defaults with xgl out of the box (that's what I'm running). Here is a video of my typical Ubuntu session (Compiz + EVE + VirtualBox running WinXP ) Click I have to disagree, I am using Gutsy OOB and it is -not- running XGL, it is running AIGLX. The only thing I have installed is the extra compiz packages (compiz manager, emerald). So unless those are changing me from xgl to aiglx (which I would notice when installing) then saying default ubuntu has xgl simply isn't correct. Maybe there is a difference between 64bit and 32bit, but that still makes the statement default ubuntu comes with xgl incorrect. The whole reason aiglx was included into xorg by default in feisty (and edgy too I believe) was because it allowed direct rendering. As someone who wrote a very popular Ubuntu howto for XGL and spent hundreds of hours in the compiz support channel on freenode providing support for people, I spent a great deal of time explaining to people the differences between XGL and AIGLX. I see no logical reason for Gutsy to default to XGL unless XGL has changed to allow direct rendering, but afaik it still runs on top of xorg as a secondary layer so to speak, meaning direct rendering is not possible. Granted I haven't been involved in the Compiz scene for about a year (since they broke xinerama setups by requiring XRANDR for compiz to run) but I am not coming into this as someone who has not idea about the project. Suki
Suki Kamir	Posted - 2008.01.12 21:56:00 - [19] I am looking into this further now with some of the Ubuntu desktop effects guys. There seems to be some confusion. Suki
Suki Kamir	Posted - 2008.01.12 21:57:00 - [20] The people who seem to have XGL running by default, do you have single monitor nvidia setups or are you using xinerama or non nvidia cards? Suki
Suki Kamir	Posted - 2008.01.12 22:05:00 - [21] I can confirm that aiglx has been included in xorg by default since xorg 7.1 was released. Still not able to find any info as to why some people are getting XGL and others aren't. I will update once I have more info. Suki
Adel Sorra Gallente Recruitment and Industrial Center	Posted - 2008.01.12 22:51:00 - [22] Edited by: Adel Sorra on 12/01/2008 22:51:04 Originally by: Suki Kamir Still not able to find any info as to why some people are getting XGL and others aren't. Wasn't there something about ati-cards only beeing able to use one of the tow methods? Absolutly not shure doh, an even if, this might be a thing of the past
Suki Kamir	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Adel Sorra Edited by: Adel Sorra on 12/01/2008 22:51:04 Originally by: Suki Kamir Still not able to find any info as to why some people are getting XGL and others aren't. Wasn't there something about ati-cards only beeing able to use one of the tow methods? Absolutly not shure doh, an even if, this might be a thing of the past The only things I can find are hints at fglrx (ATI) using XGL but they are unsubstantiated sources from random google results. I can't find anything which suggests that XGL is included by default in Gutsy but then I can't find anything which states otherwise either. Suki
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.13 13:50:00 - [24] Originally by: Suki Kamir The people who seem to have XGL running by default, do you have single monitor nvidia setups or are you using xinerama or non nvidia cards? Running dual monitor on Nvidia card (6800 Ultra). I had to manually create the folder /home/user/.config/xserver-xgl/ and create a file there called "disable". When that was done I reloged and got direct rendering and 3D cube desktop.
Cr0n3	Posted - 2008.01.13 15:35:00 - [25] Thank you Suki Kamir I appreciate the investigation you have done to this. I will keep looking in to this and see if I can get it working as you Nvidia users seem to be able to. I want to use the LINUX(client(cedega)) on my Ubuntu 7.10 so maybe I need to get some UBUNTU wiz to assist me with this. But I guess everyone that plays EVE is here :) I guess more have issues with ATI + Compiz + Ubuntu 7.10 than me. Cr0n3
Astrixx	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:20:00 - [26] Edited by: Astrixx on 13/01/2008 17:23:59 I'm running a single monitor with Geforce Go 7950GTX.

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