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Exxonett
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White-Noise
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:04:00 -
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I think most people have been shot down from carrier nerfs. But what about those who still want to buy one? The EVE market is so out of control at the moment. What I am referring to is this. To buy the capital ships book costs 360mil and the carrier book is another 450mil but the dread is 90mil. Now, I ask what does it cost 810mil to fly a 800mil ship and 450mil to fly a 1.25bil isk ship? I believe those prices are unreasonable and unfair. My best bet is that CCP wants to completely eliminate the carrier, is there any other good reason for what they have done to it?
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:09:00 -
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we can but hope.
carriers getting used as general purpose fleet ships is a bad thing. thats what battleships were supposed to be.
with any luck they'll increase the mineral cost by 500% or somethign for good measure.
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lofty29
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:13:00 -
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It's also 810m to fly a 15bn isk ship. Think about it...
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Darkrydar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:13:00 -
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 Originally by: lofty29
It's also 810m to fly a 15bn isk ship. Think about it...
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Exxonett
Caldari
White-Noise
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:16:00 -
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Yes but it is also 900mil isk to fly a 35 or more bil isk ship
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Spyder1226
Scare Tactics
Cult of War
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Darkrydar
Originally by: lofty29
It's also 810m to fly a 15bn isk ship. Think about it...
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Exxonett
I think most people have been shot down from carrier nerfs. But what about those who still want to buy one? The EVE market is so out of control at the moment. What I am referring to is this. To buy the capital ships book costs 360mil and the carrier book is another 450mil but the dread is 90mil. Now, I ask what does it cost 810mil to fly a 800mil ship and 450mil to fly a 1.25bil isk ship? I believe those prices are unreasonable and unfair. My best bet is that CCP wants to completely eliminate the carrier, is there any other good reason for what they have done to it?
I think they should double the cost of the skillbooks. After all, I've already bought mine, so it doesn't affect me one bit.
Go whine somewhere else. 
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 11/01/2008 00:21:50
Originally by: Exxonett
I think most people have been shot down from carrier nerfs. But what about those who still want to buy one? The EVE market is so out of control at the moment. What I am referring to is this. To buy the capital ships book costs 360mil and the carrier book is another 450mil but the dread is 90mil. Now, I ask what does it cost 810mil to fly a 800mil ship and 450mil to fly a 1.25bil isk ship? I believe those prices are unreasonable and unfair. My best bet is that CCP wants to completely eliminate the carrier, is there any other good reason for what they have done to it?
Sorry, but you REALLY don't have a clue. For starters Dreads are more like 1.5-1.7 Bil. Then you completely missed all the other required skillboooks "Siege mod, Capital Shield boost, Jump drive Operation, Fuel Consumption, & Calibration, Capital Turret/Launchers, advanced drone interfacing" which is is a couple hundred mil itself. The thing you seem to be failing to notice most however is the fact that Capitals are extremely specialized ships, they aren't supposed to conform to the normal pricing structure.
You're biggest failure isn't looking at the stats. It's thinking that capitals are just another step up from Battleships, which they are. Not trying to be insulting, but until you realize they aren't just another step up you're better off not trying to get them anyways.
P.S. I've paid & bought most of the above skills listed.
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Exxonett
Caldari
White-Noise
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:20:00 -
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Don't mistake my questions for whining. I can just as easily say you are all whining for having to have paid more for things and think it is unfair when the price is questioned and subsequently lowered.
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Exxonett
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:22:00 -
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I can already fly them again it was merely a set of questions.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:23:00 -
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Dreads are FAR less useful than carriers before, during, and after any current or immediately forthcoming nerfs. Dreads POS siege or shoot cap ships. If you don't do those things on a routine basis you have very little use for a Dread.
Carriers are versatile and can kill any sub-capital ship, as opposed to Dreads which can't track that fast. They have the corporate hangars and maintenance bays, unlike Dreads, and they don't use high slot weapons so you can fit a bunch of capital reppers to help your friends.
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:34:00 -
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carrier is something you're supposed to get in after a year of playing
if you have trouble making 800 mil playing this long then fairness or unfairness of carrier costs isn't the least of your problems
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Troye
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:39:00 -
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Fighters.
Originally by: GM Nova
What the hell???
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 11/01/2008 00:49:10
Well, a decently fit carrier plus all the skills costs at least 2 bil. You'll also go through several hundred mil for other ships, like your Level 4 mission running BS for instance, or your 0.0 spawn chaining ship (which is actually probably a well-tanked Battlecruiser, so that won't set you back in isk quite as much.) That all may be asking a lot for a one year old player.
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Domania
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.01.11 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Domania on 11/01/2008 01:21:19
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I think most people have been shot down from carrier nerfs.
What nerf? Bigger Ship Bay? "O noes I won't be able to hold a extra setup in the already prepared ships for fleets....but wait....a corporate hanger....by god this might be the answer...but I am gonna whine still becuase I believe all my ships should be able to counter anything we might run into without putting any effort into it!"
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To buy the capital ships book costs 360mil and the carrier book is another 450mil but the dread is 90mil. Now, I ask what does it cost 810mil to fly a 800mil ship and 450mil to fly a 1.25bil isk ship? I believe those prices are unreasonable and unfair.
If they change the prices of the skill books, I get a dinner with Eris. Simple as that, and we all know the answer to that "Never gonna happen".(even though I wish.  ) ;)
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My best bet is that CCP wants to completely eliminate the carrier, is there any other good reason for what they have done to it?
You just don't get it, therefore, forget about getting into a carrier. You really don't have the will to work for the skill books or the ship and therefore fail getting it. It's not a walk in the park and I really don't want to see it made that way. That's my answer to a person who would say that.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 01:24:00 -
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So exactly what is this thread about? Skillbooks have always been expensive like that, and the nerf in its original form isnt going through.
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Leora Nomen
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.11 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 11/01/2008 00:49:10
Well, a decently fit carrier plus all the skills costs at least 2 bil. You'll also go through several hundred mil for other ships, like your Level 4 mission running BS for instance, or your 0.0 spawn chaining ship (which is actually probably a well-tanked Battlecruiser, so that won't set you back in isk quite as much.) That all may be asking a lot for a one year old player.
Not really. If you don't play much, less than 10 hours, each week yes you'll have problems affording it. Assuming average EVE player spends 20 hours a week playing (which I think is average for other mmo games), spends half of this time making ISK (10h/week), and that after 4 months of playing he or she is totally capable of making 20 mil ISK per hour, in the other 8 months playing EVE he or she will earn a total of about 7 billion ISK -- this is enough for a nicely fitted carrier, skill books, and a whole bunch of other ships and equipment. 20 mil per hour is the lower earning estimate as anyone who has been playing for half a year has the opportunities and has had the time to train skills to earn more than this in EVE.
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Grim Starwind
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.11 02:57:00 -
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I've played EVE for I think.. almost 4 years now and I'm only just starting to train for a carrier. I've never been that bothered by them. But I have everything else.. so why not? =)
Plus I never seem to make ALL that much cash purely because I don't have a desire to. I only ever seem to make money in EVE when I WANT/NEED something. If I have everything I need, I tend to either not play the game or just can't be bothered making isk while I play.
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Everyone Dies
Caldari
Lucky Tampon
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Posted - 2008.01.11 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Exxonett
crap
I think they should double the cost of the skillbooks. After all, I've already bought mine, so it doesn't affect me one bit.
Go whine somewhere else.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:27:00 -
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carrier books arent cheap so people can make sure they really want to fly them
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