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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
126
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Posted - 2012.02.10 00:13:00 -
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I'll skip the part describing that I've tried all EVE professions and so on, which - while being true and perfectly applicable for my case - is something every CSM candidate should have done by default.
My main interest within the game have always been small-scale PvP and that's the area I seem to be decently good at. Let my movies speak for me here.
Really enjoying rich, thrilling and creative environment this way of gaming provides, I can safely state there are certain things I'd like to see changed/fixed/improved for the benefit of those sharing - in general - my view and my idea of fun in EVE. I'm pretty confident that my pathological aspiration for truth may cost me some votes.
That said, I'm still going to list my thoughts on an appreciable number of questions. This includes, but is not limited to: rigs, cyno mechanics, buffer and active tanking, Electronic Warfare, overused modules, capitals and supercapitals, low-sec space and a number of other issues we deal with on a daily basis.
So, things I'd like to see addressed:
1) Rigs. All of them.
Rigs have never been changed (bare very few units) since the very introduction of them in 2006! Some of them are way too good (popularity speaks for itself), some just don't induce proper penalties, some don't have penalties at all, some aren't even stacking penalized while costing merely 50 calibration points and providing very useful bonuses. Insanity, to put it mildly.
2) Buffer vs. active tanking.
Tanking in general is a very powerful ability. It doesn't matter what the ship itself does on a battlefield or how it's affected by other stuff, but it still dies by taking damage. One's ability to tank that damage is to come with proper cost. At the moment active tanking comes with: high CPU and grid requirements, high capacitor usage. On the other hand, current buffer tanking, while being very potent and popular (yet again, numbers speak for themselves), is hardly associated with any significant penalties. That is especially true for shield tanking, where increase of signature radius is simply a (bad) joke.
There's a great number of ways we can improve buffer tanking (so that it becomes balanced), but the idea of decreasing mobility for using HP modules is something hardly anyone will argue with. Decreased mobility should be there no matter whether you go for shield or armour. Wanna move fast(er)? Go for active tanking then. What is really cool, it's the fact this change hardly affects fleet warfare: the difference between everyone going at 1km/s and say 700-800 is pretty much non-existent. Great Nano Fix reduced velocity values by about the same margin, yet people still blob just fine.
I'm surely perfectly fine with CCP introducing instead some other proper penalties for buffer tanking, but these changes should then come in significant shifts - you can not just increase PG usage of pesky Large Shield Extenders by 20 MWs and consider it done. Nothing will change.
As for repairing/boosting values, these are fine as they are. Increasing them will just ruin small-scale PvP. We don't want to meet unbreakable monsters on each gate. The game is meant to be fun and dynamic, so the stuff must explode. Increasing tanking values just forces people to bring more numbers with them and that's it. By the way, that's why there are so much blobs around - the whole game is already overtanked (thanks to buffer tanking being so good) and people can't achieve anything within reasonable timeframe without bringing in a gazillion of teammates. Or at least they think they can't, which is a whole another story - I've already tried my best busting these myths with my movies, so please don't make me elaborate on it here with mere words at my disposal.
3) Cyno mechanics
Just as rigs, cynoes haven't been changed since they were initially released. Or at least I as a 2005 player can't recall anything in this regard. Current primitive mechanics was probably OK for the old days where capitals were few and the galaxy was vast, but became totally inacceptable even by 2009, much less nowadays.
Let's just face it - being able to throw in a ship instantly while retaining its combat capabilities is really overpowered. More so for small-scale PvP. As a player with massive game experience, I'm perfectly fine with power-blocs and other blobs hot-dropping each other 23/7, they may enjoy this as much as they want to.
However, there's not a single reason for the same rules to apply both in a) on an 'epic' battlefield with thousands of ships present and b) on a gate or belt where some casual dude in his cruiser meats another one. We can easily make separate cynoes to meet ultimate game needs. An these needs are governed by balance. So, that's how I for one see it:
- sovereignty warfare cyno. Can be activated only withing sov structures, such as POSes, outposts, claim units etc. Heck, I think I'll be fine with that new cyno even if they make no further changes and don't introduce any of these (needed) features: spool-up timer, resistances penalties, inability for the cyno- equipped ship to lock things upon cyno activation, disclosuring bloom around cyno-equipped ship, proper cyno cost, proper CPU/grid usage etc.
- general combat cyno. Can be activated at any location, but goes with spool-up timer, which can be of inverse relation to the number of ships present in grid, so the more ships are there, the sooner hot-drop arrives. It's surely welcome to introduce some additional features (like disclosuring bloom) and make some tweaks (so that killing a cyno-fitted ships brings you some isk in loot), but an instantaneous power-projection should be fixed no matter what. 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
126
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Posted - 2012.02.10 00:13:00 -
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- covert cyno. May even retain its current stats, but I personally believe spool-up will greatly improve it, too. But it's also important to note that this point is very dependent on how CCP is resistant to clueless screams advocating for Black Ops buff. Black Ops are mostly fine and any changes beyond Sin overhaul and probably minor tweaks here and there (fuel bay etc.) will result in this shipclass being way too attractive while still remaining next to impossible to counter. We surely don't want this to happen. Covert-ops and any kind of 'silent' and 'safe' engaging should never be comparable to regular combat means.
4) Overused modules
- Tracking Enhancers provide way too good falloff bonus and result in making autocannons FOTM and blasterboats even less appealing. I'm a firm believer that it's not the range of blasters we need to blame, but rather the fact how great is the range of missiles and how massively OP Tracking Enhancers became with Dominion. So, falloff bonus for both Tracking Enhancers and Tracking Computers is to get reduced to 15% (for tech2), which is in line with the general game spirit: check rig and implant values - all pairs there provide equal bonuses for falloff and optimal.
- Damage Control. It's way too good. It's used so often that it might as well be built-in. If something is that popular we should always ask ourselves - is it actually good for the game? As for me, I'm pretty sure DC is to be brought down somehow.
!! to be continued by:
5) Electronic Warfare 6) Combat Recons vs. Force Recons - better defined roles etc. 7) Danger of new supercapitals (speculations) 8) Heavy missiles range 9) Cruise missiles
etc. 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
126
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Posted - 2012.02.10 00:13:00 -
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reserved 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
126
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Posted - 2012.02.10 00:14:00 -
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reserved yet again 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
632
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Posted - 2012.02.10 00:16:00 -
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way too many people running for CSM.
I forsee nothing but power bloc representation at this rate |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
267
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Posted - 2012.02.10 00:22:00 -
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Ya got some interesting points, GL. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
93
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Posted - 2012.02.10 01:17:00 -
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We need more ppl like you! |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9166
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Posted - 2012.02.10 01:21:00 -
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You have my like! Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM. |
Robokick
Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 05:42:00 -
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Go go Fon! |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
908
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Posted - 2012.02.10 06:57:00 -
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1) Agree 2) Agree 3) Agree 4) Agree
+1 |
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SPIwere
Iris Covenant The Gorgon Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:09:00 -
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good post, +1like |
JaoDo
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:25:00 -
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+1 |
Glinorezka
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:27:00 -
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+1 |
G1zmo
Fake Empire. DarkSide.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:56:00 -
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+1 |
Ane Mary
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:26:00 -
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+1 |
Ramzes Razares
GOP KOHTOPA
23
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:35:00 -
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+1 |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
250
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:44:00 -
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I'll try to get some points added in the weekend.
Any questions on stuff already covered 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
302
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:49:00 -
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People like you need no platform to run on so save yourself the work. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Psihius
Anarchist Dawn U N K N O W N
11
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:20:00 -
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Fon Revedhort is a known figure of the forum.eve-ru.com, but to many of us there he has too narrow views on the game and some suggestions he has made are very contreversial to the game and could ruin it.
Maybe my post is a little personal, but I had caution you - this man has too big ego :) |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:30:00 -
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Fon Revedhort for CSM |
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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
657
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:32:00 -
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If Fon gets into the CSM I'm going to buy all the nighthawks in jita because buff incoming~~ |
C Spawn
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:45:00 -
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Yep, that person is well known on eve-ru.com by some following facts:
- the fact that this specific man admires many of war criminals of **** Germany, including those who were sentenced to death by Nuremberg Trials; - the fact that this specific man denies **** Germany war crimes, including death camps and mass civilians executions; - the fact that this specific man could quote Goebbels books as easy as you click your mouse, especially about racial segregation;
So if you don't care about this, then sure, you could vote for that **** fan.
But personnaly I wouldn't do this. |
Liam Mirren
250
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Posted - 2012.02.10 18:48:00 -
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I'll back any good, proven, EVE player who wishes to break up the 0.0 block hegemony in favour of a more solo/small gang pvp focussed view.
+1 Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:12:00 -
[24] - Quote
C Spawn wrote:Yep, that person is well known on eve-ru.com by some following facts:
- the fact that this specific man admires many of war criminals of **** Germany, including those who were sentenced to death by Nuremberg Trials; - the fact that this specific man denies **** Germany war crimes, including death camps and mass civilians executions; - the fact that this specific man could quote Goebbels books as easy as you click your mouse, especially about racial segregation;
So if you don't care about this, then sure, you could vote for that **** fan.
But personnaly I wouldn't do this.
Did somebody say Nazi? |
jmz
Xenobytes Stain Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:56:00 -
[25] - Quote
Go Fon, +1 |
Argonicus
Wastion Dominion W.A.S.T.Y.A.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:14:00 -
[26] - Quote
+1 |
StarXaker
UA Industry Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:22:00 -
[27] - Quote
+1. I don't care about his views. if he wants to make our game better - he'll get my vote |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
310
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:52:00 -
[28] - Quote
StarXaker wrote:+1. I don't care about his views. if he wants to make our game better - he'll get my vote Thanks. I really feel like a politician now, with people pulling out totally irrelevant stuff as innuendos.
Anyways, back to the point.
Post #2 has been updated with the following:
5) Electronic Warfare
6) Combat Recons vs. Force Recons
2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |
Sarmatiko
509
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Posted - 2012.02.10 23:46:00 -
[29] - Quote
+1 |
Rythm
True Power Team
11
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Posted - 2012.02.11 07:09:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:StarXaker wrote:+1. I don't care about his views. if he wants to make our game better - he'll get my vote Thanks. I really feel like a politician now, with people pulling out totally irrelevant stuff as innuendos. Anyways, back to the point. Post #2 has been updated with the following: 5) Electronic Warfare 6) Combat Recons vs. Force Recons
Can you add some movie links for the general public ?
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Khaske
The Curse of Distant Stars Bright Side of Death
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 09:50:00 -
[31] - Quote
Supported |
Shi Lo
U.K.R.A.I.N.E SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 12:27:00 -
[32] - Quote
+1 |
Horror Master
Preeternal Spark SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:07:00 -
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+1, GL Fon. |
Mahazael
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:07:00 -
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+1 |
Aladern
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:08:00 -
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+1 |
Wolverine Beta
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:09:00 -
[36] - Quote
+1 |
Soul Tein
Resilience. Northern Coalition.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:10:00 -
[37] - Quote
+1 |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
361
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:17:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:People like you need no platform to run on so save yourself the work. I've got no idea whether you're not kidding and thus prefer to reinforce my speech
7) speculations and thoughts on (new) supercapitals
has been added. I hope this paragraph meets your views, too. \o/ |
Suitonia
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
45
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:33:00 -
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I really hope you make it into the CSM Fon. +1 |
endus31
Resilience. Northern Coalition.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:53:00 -
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+1 |
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Suncho Pansa
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 08:11:00 -
[41] - Quote
This person is known in Russian game community, but please do not misunderstand it to having wide support. His view of the game is the one of pirates and griefers. His proposals are to give 0,5% of players the power to ruin the game of wast majority of players and drive all the game into Amamake-like chaos and emptyness. Should CCP ever go crazy and allow players to destruct solar systems, Fon is sure to start doing it.
C Spawn wrote:Yep, that person is well known on eve-ru.com by some following facts: - the fact that this specific man admires many of war criminals of **** Germany, including those who were sentenced to death by Nuremberg Trials; Without the regards to what criminals this person admires, he is too much self centered to be a useful member of CSM. This position sure requires teamwork, ability to listen and readyness to adopt to others' points of view. Speaking of Russian community, we never see such qualities of Fon. Instead, he is well known to use the power of moderator in personal arquments, to start hate-speach and discriminate the opponents.
Should you consider some of this person's ideas good, it would be much better to find somebody else to include them into the program. Instead of driving these ideas in CSM Fon is very likely to be kicked out of Iceland after the fist CSM gathering.
With Fon your vote will be wasted! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
372
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Posted - 2012.02.12 09:04:00 -
[42] - Quote
What are your views on NPC corps and do you have any aversion towards the idea of getting rid of them and replacing them with wardecable individuals? |
RasKarpas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 09:35:00 -
[43] - Quote
Suncho Pansa wrote: With Fon your vote will be wasted!
Oh no, don't be mistaken, dear Sir. Voting for Fon, is not a waste of a vote. It's by far worse. Since the candidate is well known with the Russian Eve Community, and since he's never held himself back from posting about Holocaust denial, the supremacy of the Arian race ( Strangely enough he actually thinks he's of that "supreme race" ), driving hate filled posts up to a point where authorities have received complaints (only then the topic was closed btw, after a formal complaint to authorities) -
Voting for Fon is actually approving of his views and giving a wider stage to such expressions.
Every one that says "O, i don't care about it, it's about a game and all" - think again. It's all around and beyond this game, and some things you don't have the right to overlook.
So every one that votes for him - keep in mind, that is who you are voting for - a self-proclaimed Nationalist representative of the supreme white race, with the bling-blings and black leather boots that go along. |
RasKarpas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 09:38:00 -
[44] - Quote
del |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
383
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Posted - 2012.02.12 09:59:00 -
[45] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:What are your views on NPC corps and do you have any aversion towards the idea of getting rid of them and replacing them with wardecable individuals? I'm perfectly fine with NPC corps as long as they have their limitations intact. I guess 11% taxrate serves its purpose well, but should CCP consider increasing it a bit, I'll be all for it.
My greatest convern with war decs is corp-hopping. I've always considered that as an exploit.
But then again, I do think there are much more serious issues out there, so I'd like to see them addressed first. It's always a matter of setting priorities \o/ |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.02.12 16:02:00 -
[46] - Quote
Suncho Pansa wrote:This person is known in Russian game community, but please do not misunderstand it to having wide support. His view of the game is the one of pirates and griefers. His proposals are to give 0,5% of players the power to ruin the game of wast majority of players and drive all the game into Amamake-like chaos and emptyness. Should CCP ever go crazy and allow players to destruct solar systems, Fon is sure to start doing it. C Spawn wrote:Yep, that person is well known on eve-ru.com by some following facts: - the fact that this specific man admires many of war criminals of **** Germany, including those who were sentenced to death by Nuremberg Trials; Without the regards to what criminals this person admires, he is too much self centered to be a useful member of CSM. This position sure requires teamwork, ability to listen and readyness to adopt to others' points of view. Speaking of Russian community, we never see such qualities of Fon. Instead, he is well known to use the power of moderator in personal arquments, to start hate-speach and discriminate the opponents. Should you consider some of this person's ideas good, it would be much better to find somebody else to include them into the program. Instead of driving these ideas in CSM Fon is very likely to be kicked out of Iceland after the fist CSM gathering. With Fon your vote will be wasted!
I wish I could understand Russian, eve-ru posting drama sounds like so much fun. |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
43
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Posted - 2012.02.12 16:25:00 -
[47] - Quote
Do you support limiting NPC corps to players that cant fly freighters/jf |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
400
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:31:00 -
[48] - Quote
testobjekt wrote:Do you support limiting NPC corps to players that cant fly freighters/jf I'm pretty neutral in this regard. First of all, I for one don't see that being an issue, but if anyone else within CSM or CCP does, we'll have a discussion and I'll try getting the ideas of both parties.
There might be several issues tied into one. For instance, is suicide ganking a problem on its own or it's just artillery damage mod being too high? I think the latter one is valid. \o/ |
Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:39:00 -
[49] - Quote
I think being neo-**** trash is very relevant to your campaign. I wouldn't do business with a ****, be friends with one and certainly not vote for one even in a fake spaceships election. I can see why you'd want to play down this odious side of your character though. Get some mental help. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
401
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:56:00 -
[50] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:I think being neo-**** trash is very relevant to your campaign. I wouldn't do business with a ****, be friends with one and certainly not vote for one even in a fake spaceships election. I can see why you'd want to play down this odious side of your character though. Get some mental help. So you pay attention to perverted gossips spread by unknown tards and take them seriously? Who of us two needs mental help then?
Simply amazing. \o/ |
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Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
29
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:17:00 -
[51] - Quote
I support you 1488% brother |
Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
8
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:24:00 -
[52] - Quote
Both myself and the members of the Aryan Brotherhood Order of Eve Online (Love Squad) will be voting for you.
+1
Remember Rhodesia |
VaKuR vAkR
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
3
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:25:00 -
[53] - Quote
C Spawn wrote:Yep, that person is well known on eve-ru.com by some following facts:
- the fact that this specific man admires many of war criminals of **** Germany, including those who were sentenced to death by Nuremberg Trials; - the fact that this specific man denies **** Germany war crimes, including death camps and mass civilians executions; - the fact that this specific man could quote Goebbels books as easy as you click your mouse, especially about racial segregation;
So if you don't care about this, then sure, you could vote for that **** fan.
But personnaly I wouldn't do this.
Confirming Confederation of xXPIZZAXx officially supports this CSM-candidate |
Jon Graves Deican
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
2
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:34:00 -
[54] - Quote
Sieg Heil
+1 |
Winston Clarke
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
4
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:35:00 -
[55] - Quote
We in love squad also have a great interest in german history
Prussia is also interesting to us
We have another alt corp with out 14 people and I will get all of the 88 people in Love Squad to vote for you as well
We will support you for sure!
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Zetler
Nigerian Export Inc Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
4
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:38:00 -
[56] - Quote
+1
from Finland like last time, till the end bro! |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
409
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:47:00 -
[57] - Quote
Yeah, I'd need to address this 'issue' with my next movie, which is on the way.
It's always better to have first-hand experience instead of distorted perversions. I for one would prefer to keep politics out of EVE, but since some are that moronic, I'll respond to it the way I can.
Since it's not like I'm afraid or ashamed of anything I've ever stated on forums or IRL. Btw, some tards called me a fascist in real life, too. So what?
My election campaign isn't aimed to recieve understanding from such a contingent. I do hope, however, that most still retain common sense and objectively judge from the facts. Or - at the very least - that they'll keep out of the stuff they know nothing about. \o/ |
Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
11
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:55:00 -
[58] - Quote
There is no hint of irony in my support for the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei |
Wirty Dhore
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
2
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Posted - 2012.02.13 01:01:00 -
[59] - Quote
You have my vote(s) for CSM 2012. We need a good small gang PVPer on the counsel this time around instead of those block level candrones falsely propagating the idea that only a few in an alliance leadership should have complete control of an entire region. And as someone with experience in the art of propaganda and admirer of Goebbels I can help with any campaign ideas you need.
Viel Gl++ck! |
Fianna Illyasfeld
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 01:02:00 -
[60] - Quote
I am wondering about what this CSM candidate thinks about total war, division of territory and the violent expulsion of all the corps who live there? |
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
409
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Posted - 2012.02.13 01:22:00 -
[61] - Quote
Fianna Illyasfeld wrote:I am wondering about what this CSM candidate thinks about total war, division of territory and the violent expulsion of all the corps who live there? I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't breach Yulai convention. Or was it the Hague one?.. These system names are so hard to remember! I8dog (or w/e) is inimitable in this regard. \o/ |
St Boltzmann
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
8
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Posted - 2012.02.13 01:37:00 -
[62] - Quote
white ppl i hate u cuz * 1. u all racist * 2. u pale as hell * 3. u ****in stupid * 4. u stereotype niggas cuz u all dumb * 5. ur fat * 6. u look like marshmallows * 7. u look like gluesticks * 8. u close minded * 9. u jus straight up ***** * 10. u make me sick * 11. u all like fishin for sum reason * 12. u all have dogs * 13. u think u a good race when u ain't even human * 14.u look ugly as hell * 15.u a disgrace * 16. u think u know bout niggas so much when u don't * 17. u all got ****** ass voices * 18. u speak like British ppl * 19. u all gay * 20. u have no place in hiphop so u shud stop listenin to it |
Herbatrix
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1
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Posted - 2012.02.13 01:51:00 -
[63] - Quote
St Boltzmann wrote:white ppl i hate u cuz * 1. u all racist * 2. u pale as hell * 3. u ****in stupid * 4. u stereotype niggas cuz u all dumb * 5. ur fat * 6. u look like marshmallows * 7. u look like gluesticks * 8. u close minded * 9. u jus straight up ***** * 10. u make me sick * 11. u all like fishin for sum reason * 12. u all have dogs * 13. u think u a good race when u ain't even human * 14.u look ugly as hell * 15.u a disgrace * 16. u think u know bout niggas so much when u don't * 17. u all got ****** ass voices * 18. u speak like British ppl * 19. u all gay * 20. u have no place in hiphop so u shud stop listenin to it
Please keep your hate and prejudice out of this thread. We're trying to have a serious discussion. |
Genaris
Corporation of Monsters. Resurrection Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 03:30:00 -
[64] - Quote
+1 |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2012.02.13 07:53:00 -
[65] - Quote
Fon, your campaign seems based on a relatively small subset of issues. Unless you plan on speaking only on these issues at the CSM, I suggest you expand your campaign message. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
416
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Posted - 2012.02.13 08:57:00 -
[66] - Quote
Aineko Macx wrote:Fon, your campaign seems based on a relatively small subset of issues. Unless you plan on speaking only on these issues at the CSM, I suggest you expand your campaign message. I think it's just the reverse - I've already outlined quite a lot of points. And a few more will follow.
I'll surely work on other stuff, whatever arises within CSM, but it's literally impossible to have everything covered in one go. If you have anything specific to ask, please go ahead. \o/ |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
983
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:04:00 -
[67] - Quote
Off topic posts removed. I would like to remember you at our forum rules and that they apply to this forum as well. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Phaeton One
OEG Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 18:21:00 -
[68] - Quote
+++1 |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
440
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:10:00 -
[69] - Quote
A few words on high-security space:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=780636#post780636 \o/ |
Professor Red
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:40:00 -
[70] - Quote
+1 |
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OldMan Gana
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
25
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:10:00 -
[71] - Quote
Good post mate, have a like. " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
1067
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:04:00 -
[72] - Quote
I'd like to hear an explanation for the views expressed in the following posts: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=569442#post569442 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=442247#post442247
My reading of them paints a pretty disturbing view of your character, and I certainly think they are relevant to your campaign. Vote Two step for CSM 7 CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog |
Herbatrix
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:27:00 -
[73] - Quote
^ i'm not sure how views on political structures are relevant to EVE, to be honest.
Of course, that doesn't mean i'm not intrigued about the allegations of him being a neo-na-ázi, though thus far I haven't seen any evidence for this beyond several independent accusations.
PS. Why is the word Na-ázi censored? |
Herbatrix
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:28:00 -
[74] - Quote
Double post. |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
64
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:33:00 -
[75] - Quote
Agreed. I am also deeply sceptical that anyone who holds such views (and is prone to airing them a propos of nothing) could possibly be an effective advocate for anything, since most people would respond to statements like that by immediately ostracising the individual who made them. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
454
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:11:00 -
[76] - Quote
This will get us far too deeply into history and politics and I've got no idea why that would that a be good idea at the moment or even needed in the first place. I don't see myself filling up holes in someone's education. At least not right here, offtopic won't be tolerated.
We'd better talk about EVE and act accordingly as I'm very sceptial at the idea of CSM being effecient without being focused. \o/ |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:16:00 -
[77] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:This will get us far too deeply into history and politics and I've got no idea why that would that a be good idea at the moment or even needed if the first place. I don't see myself filling up holes in someone's education. At least not right here, offtopic won't be tolerated. We'd better talk about EVE and act accordingly as I'm very sceptial at the idea of CSM being effecient without being focused. so we're going to go with "sticking by the neo-nazi views" as your campaign strategy |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:16:00 -
[78] - Quote
i like the implication that uneducated trailer trash like you could educate anyone |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
394
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:21:00 -
[79] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:i like the implication that uneducated trailer trash like you could educate anyone mixing up your racial stereotypes there mr. PC |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:26:00 -
[80] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:i like the implication that uneducated trailer trash like you could educate anyone mixing up your racial stereotypes there mr. PC i don't know whatever his national equivalent is unfortunately, but it's classism rather than racism |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:31:00 -
[81] - Quote
i'm very curious though if phantom will also decide that pointing out that Fon Revedhort starts spouting about racial supremacy without even being prompted is somehow irrelevant to the discussion of the merits of Fon Revedhort as a candidate |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
1074
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:37:00 -
[82] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:This will get us far too deeply into history and politics and I've got no idea why that would that a be good idea at the moment or even needed in the first place. I don't see myself filling up holes in someone's education. At least not right here, offtopic won't be tolerated. We'd better talk about EVE and act accordingly as I'm very sceptial at the idea of CSM being effecient without being focused.
Well, seeing as how much of the job of a CSM delegate is to interact with other people, some of whom are Jewish, and some of whom are other races and religions, your apparent intolerance is pretty important. I don't consider this off topic at all. Vote Two step for CSM 7 CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
454
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:46:00 -
[83] - Quote
Two step wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:This will get us far too deeply into history and politics and I've got no idea why that would that a be good idea at the moment or even needed in the first place. I don't see myself filling up holes in someone's education. At least not right here, offtopic won't be tolerated. We'd better talk about EVE and act accordingly as I'm very sceptial at the idea of CSM being effecient without being focused. Well, seeing as how much of the job of a CSM delegate is to interact with other people, some of whom are Jewish, and some of whom are other races and religions, your apparent intolerance is pretty important. I don't consider this off topic at all. What makes you think I'm intolerant and can't interact with other people? That's quite interesting, do elaborate.
\o/ |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
1075
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:59:00 -
[84] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Two step wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:This will get us far too deeply into history and politics and I've got no idea why that would that a be good idea at the moment or even needed in the first place. I don't see myself filling up holes in someone's education. At least not right here, offtopic won't be tolerated. We'd better talk about EVE and act accordingly as I'm very sceptial at the idea of CSM being effecient without being focused. Well, seeing as how much of the job of a CSM delegate is to interact with other people, some of whom are Jewish, and some of whom are other races and religions, your apparent intolerance is pretty important. I don't consider this off topic at all. What makes you think I'm intolerant and can't interact with other people? That's quite interesting, do elaborate.
Uh, the quotes that I linked? In one you make a comment that seems like it is intended to be anti-Semitic, and in the other one you praise David Duke, who was a leader of the ***, a group not exactly known for their tolerance. Both of those topics came up during a balance discussion, which implies to me that you feel they are important, or why would you have mentioned them? Vote Two step for CSM 7 CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
15
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Posted - 2012.02.14 04:03:00 -
[85] - Quote
guys
I can think of
SIX MILLION
reasons to vote for Fon Revedhort |
Alekto Descendant
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
5
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 04:07:00 -
[86] - Quote
JEFFRAIDER wrote:guys
I can think of
SIX MILLION
reasons to vote for Fon Revedhort
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE. |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
15
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 04:10:00 -
[87] - Quote
also nice job nerfing all non-nighthawk modules m8
i see what u did there
TRACKING ENHANCERS?!?!
RIDICULOUS! |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
453
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Posted - 2012.02.14 04:13:00 -
[88] - Quote
Two step wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Two step wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:This will get us far too deeply into history and politics and I've got no idea why that would that a be good idea at the moment or even needed in the first place. I don't see myself filling up holes in someone's education. At least not right here, offtopic won't be tolerated. We'd better talk about EVE and act accordingly as I'm very sceptial at the idea of CSM being effecient without being focused. Well, seeing as how much of the job of a CSM delegate is to interact with other people, some of whom are Jewish, and some of whom are other races and religions, your apparent intolerance is pretty important. I don't consider this off topic at all. What makes you think I'm intolerant and can't interact with other people? That's quite interesting, do elaborate. Uh, the quotes that I linked? In one you make a comment that seems like it is intended to be anti-Semitic, and in the other one you praise David Duke, who was a leader of the ***, a group not exactly known for their tolerance. Both of those topics came up during a balance discussion, which implies to me that you feel they are important, or why would you have mentioned them? These comments apply for the discussion and should be treated as such.
You, on the other hand, feel it's important to pull in words like intolerance and accuse me of not being able to interact with other people (lol) in hope that it will reduce the number of votes I get. Spaceships really are an important business, right? That's something they use in RL politics to bring down an opponent. Dirty and cheap tricks.
\o/ |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
15
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Posted - 2012.02.14 04:21:00 -
[89] - Quote
Fon,
You have included multiple stupid ideas in your first few posts, I assume for good discussion. Which do you think is most stupid and why?
Thanks!
Jeff R Aider |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.02.14 04:36:00 -
[90] - Quote
"I did naughtzee this trainwreck coming." -- Fon Revedhort |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.02.14 04:46:00 -
[91] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote: These comments apply for the discussion and should be treated as such.
You, on the other hand, feel it's important to pull in words like intolerance and accuse me of not being able to interact with other people (lol) in hope that it will reduce the number of votes I get. Spaceships really are an important business, right? That's something they use in RL politics to bring down an opponent. Dirty and cheap tricks.
"my support of the nazi party and the kkk is not relevant to this election. mods? mods?" |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.02.14 05:59:00 -
[92] - Quote
I'm pretty politically astute and even I wouldn't want to try and stand in front of the inevitable trainwreck that this candidacy is going to produce. |
Armlaa Lenbar
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 12:26:00 -
[93] - Quote
Two step wrote: Well, seeing as how much of the job of a CSM delegate is to interact with other people, some of whom are Jewish, and some of whom are other races and religions, your apparent intolerance is pretty important. I don't consider this off topic at all.
It seems you are implying that Jewish people are somehow ... disabled and require special effort to communicate. Let me remind that "tolerance" is also a word which describes resistance to poisonous substances. Well placed insult sir !
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Aneremon
FSB-ALFA RED.OverLord
2
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Posted - 2012.02.14 18:28:00 -
[94] - Quote
+1 |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
1100
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Posted - 2012.02.14 19:01:00 -
[95] - Quote
Armlaa Lenbar wrote:Two step wrote: Well, seeing as how much of the job of a CSM delegate is to interact with other people, some of whom are Jewish, and some of whom are other races and religions, your apparent intolerance is pretty important. I don't consider this off topic at all.
It seems you are implying that Jewish people are somehow ... disabled and require special effort to communicate. Let me remind that "tolerance" is also a word which describes resistance to poisonous substances. Well placed insult sir !
Usually, I don't bother to reply to trolls, but I couldn't resist this one. I have no idea where you are possibly getting to that conclusion. Someone that seems to have anti-Semitic viewpoints would clearly have trouble effectively communicating with Jewish people. Nowhere do I imply that it takes any sort of special effort to communicate with Jews (or with any other race or religion). Vote Two step for CSM 7 CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
129
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 19:13:00 -
[96] - Quote
Two step wrote:Uh, the quotes that I linked? In one you make a comment that seems like it is intended to be anti-Semitic, and in the other one you praise David Duke, who was a leader of the ***, a group not exactly known for their tolerance. Both of those topics came up during a balance discussion, which implies to me that you feel they are important, or why would you have mentioned them?
To be fair, the anti-semite and white supremacist vote is as yet untapped in CSM elections.... |
Armlaa Lenbar
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 19:37:00 -
[97] - Quote
Two step wrote:Armlaa Lenbar wrote:Two step wrote: Well, seeing as how much of the job of a CSM delegate is to interact with other people, some of whom are Jewish, and some of whom are other races and religions, your apparent intolerance is pretty important. I don't consider this off topic at all.
It seems you are implying that Jewish people are somehow ... disabled and require special effort to communicate. Let me remind that "tolerance" is also a word which describes resistance to poisonous substances. Well placed insult sir ! Usually, I don't bother to reply to trolls, but I couldn't resist this one. I have no idea where you are possibly getting to that conclusion. Someone that seems to have anti-Semitic viewpoints would clearly have trouble effectively communicating with Jewish people. Nowhere do I imply that it takes any sort of special effort to communicate with Jews (or with any other race or religion).
It seems that you hold people in low esteem - first you state that you are better candidate because you tolerate us (thank you very much for your tolerance) then you say that Fon who expresses views very similiar to Leumi platform will have trouble because of his political stance. Can you please point me to the quote where Fon expresses his anti-semitism ?
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4901
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Posted - 2012.02.14 20:35:00 -
[98] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote: You, on the other hand, feel it's important to pull in words like intolerance and accuse me of not being able to interact with other people (lol) in hope that it will reduce the number of votes I get. Spaceships really are an important business, right? That's something they use in RL politics to bring down an opponent. Dirty and cheap tricks.
You posted, without being prompted, your support of David Duke - a Klansman, for those of you who don't live in Freedomland - and mouthed off about 'racial realism'.
This isn't 'RL politics', this is 'You are now in the same class of candidate as Xenuria and that Objectivist guy' - a damaged human being who vomits forth ideas that deserve nothing but scorn, while rationalizing the condemnation of society as a twisted badge of honor.
Your views are wretched.
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
470
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Posted - 2012.02.14 20:42:00 -
[99] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: Your views are wretched.
Who's a mittani once again? \o/ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2061
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 20:44:00 -
[100] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:The Mittani wrote: Your views are wretched.
Who's a mittani once again?
you should really stop trying to deflect yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.02.14 20:46:00 -
[101] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:The Mittani wrote: Your views are wretched.
Who's a mittani once again? look it thinks its people |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.02.14 21:08:00 -
[102] - Quote
So can you still run if your likes drop back below 100 before the deadline? |
Armlaa Lenbar
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 21:08:00 -
[103] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote: You, on the other hand, feel it's important to pull in words like intolerance and accuse me of not being able to interact with other people (lol) in hope that it will reduce the number of votes I get. Spaceships really are an important business, right? That's something they use in RL politics to bring down an opponent. Dirty and cheap tricks.
You posted, without being prompted, your support of David Duke - a Klansman, for those of you who don't live in Freedomland - and mouthed off about 'racial realism'. This isn't 'RL politics', this is 'You are now in the same class of candidate as Xenuria and that Objectivist guy' - a damaged human being who vomits forth ideas that deserve nothing but scorn, while rationalizing the condemnation of society as a twisted badge of honor. Your views are wretched. I dont live in the land of true freedom, so I took liberty to look up the guy in the wiki. I know its far from reliable source, but still Reference to ku-klux-klan
Quote: also reformed the organization, promoting nonviolence and legality, and, for the first time in the Klan's history, women were accepted as equal members and Catholics were encouraged to apply for membership.[70] Duke would repeatedly insist that the Klan was "not anti-black", but rather "pro-white" and "pro-Christian."
In my view a guy did a good job taking charge of those violent loonies and transformied them into something useful to the society.
But there's more.
Quote: Duke wrote a self-help book for women to raise money under the pseudonym Dorothy Vanderbilt and James Konrad, titled Finders-Keepers GÇô Finding and Keeping the Man You Want which contains sexual, diet, fashion, cosmetic and relationship advice, published by Arlington Place Books in 1976.
And he wrote a relation advice book ???? Wonder if he secretly publishes romance novels for middle-aged divorced women ? =)
Quote: Duke pleaded guilty to what prosecutors described as a six-year scheme to dupe thousands of his followers by asking for donations. Through postal mail, Duke later appealed to his supporters that he was about to lose his house and his life savings. Prosecutors claimed that Duke raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in this campaign. Prosecutors also claimed he sold his home at a hefty profit, had multiple investment accounts, and spent much of his money gambling at casinos
Damn ! This guy must have been goon !
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Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 21:09:00 -
[104] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Who's a mittani once again? A human being, at the least. Pity it's something you have several aeons of evolution to aspire to.
Though you have perhaps a day or two on Armlaa, who is your anal carbuncle sucking toady in this thread. This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
Someday, this signature may save my life. |
Armlaa Lenbar
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.02.14 21:11:00 -
[105] - Quote
Largo Coronet wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Who's a mittani once again? A human being, at the least. Pity it's something you have several aeons of evolution to aspire to. I dont know what to be more ashamed of. Fon worshipping an aging clown or your knowledge of history and lack of google skills =) |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
470
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Posted - 2012.02.14 21:13:00 -
[106] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:So can you still run if your likes drop back below 100 before the deadline? Wow, I've never thought I had that much support from goons.
Thanks for bumps, btw. \o/ |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.02.14 21:15:00 -
[107] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:The Mittani wrote: Your views are wretched.
Who's a mittani once again?
They were an Indo-Aryan people so you would like them. |
TFirish3
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
5
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 21:19:00 -
[108] - Quote
So your platform is based on the nerf bat then? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.02.14 21:20:00 -
[109] - Quote
TFirish3 wrote:So your platform is based on the nerf bat then?
That's such an awful way to put it. It's more like the flaming cross of imbalance |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
470
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Posted - 2012.02.14 21:22:00 -
[110] - Quote
TFirish3 wrote:So your platform is based on the nerf bat then? My platform is based on justice and appropriateness. If it's a nerf here and there, I'm fine with it. Some stuff is to be boosted. It's always a matter of choosing the shortest path. \o/ |
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Jinli mei
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
82
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:29:00 -
[111] - Quote
Dear Mr Fon Revedhort,
I would like to ask if you would support my new initiative to have players of unique and different backgrounds be identified with spaceflair in game to promote diversity of the eve universe. I think it would add to the tolerance of different communities in the game and allow people a chance to recruit those who are not the same.
What do you think, mr. spaceman?
Jinli mei, Former Tolerance Director of TEST |
Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
55
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:33:00 -
[112] - Quote
Jinli mei wrote:Dear Mr Fon Revedhort,
I would like to ask if you would support my new initiative to have players of unique and different backgrounds be identified with spaceflair in game to promote diversity of the eve universe. I think it would add to the tolerance of different communities in the game and allow people a chance to recruit those who are not the same.
What do you think, mr. spaceman?
Jinli mei, Former Tolerance Director of TEST
This is a good idea. The flair would let people find people of common heritage, and through free-association let them have a better game experience, and a more closer knit atmosphere, through more homogenous groups. |
Pseudo Ucksth
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
87
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:34:00 -
[113] - Quote
Jinli mei wrote:Former Tolerance Director of TEST
:colbert:
OH guys also we could make the Ethnic Relations skill in Corp Management apply to this as well!
Each new level of the skill trained teaches you more about Racial Tolerance and how to be more accepting of your fellow man, regardless of race and creed.
MLK would be proud of me :sun: |
Dr Kang
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
121
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:54:00 -
[114] - Quote
Jinli mei wrote:Dear Mr Fon Revedhort,
I would like to ask if you would support my new initiative to have players of unique and different backgrounds be identified with spaceflair in game to promote diversity of the eve universe. I think it would add to the tolerance of different communities in the game and allow people a chance to recruit those who are not the same.
What do you think, mr. spaceman?
Jinli mei, Former Tolerance Director of TEST
Guten Tag. Ich glaube fest daran, dass die Menschen aus den unterschiedlichsten Hintergrund sollte besonderen Abzeichen zu tragen. Auf diese Weise k+¦nnen wir feiern die Vielfalt der Eve.
M+¦chte jemand eine Auff++hrung von "The Producers" mit mir zu besuchen? |
Sarmatiko
531
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:00:00 -
[115] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: You posted, without being prompted, your support of David Duke - a Klansman, for those of you who don't live in Freedomland - and mouthed off about 'racial realism'.
This isn't 'RL politics', this is 'You are now in the same class of candidate as Xenuria and that Objectivist guy' - a damaged human being who vomits forth ideas that deserve nothing but scorn, while rationalizing the condemnation of society as a twisted badge of honor.
Your views are wretched.
The Mittani wrote: The CSM isn't CCP's cop, any more than an alliance leader is an unpaid GM. The playerbase of eve is almost comically racist and misogynistic, from an American perspective. In Europe it's apparently common and uncontroversial to speak openly of 'Jews', not to mention the Scandinavian lack of sensitivity on Things Racial. Because EVE is an international game you end up with a lot of delicate sensibilities being rubbed the wrong way.
Example: Americans think nothing of slagging on Germans for that whole World War 2 thing, but ~how dare~ you mention Germany in front of a German EVE player. An American will get offended at a racist joke that at Dutchman won't even blink at, between Zwarte Piet and the fact that TurboNegro is literally a popular metal band, but god forbid that you criticize every American's sovereign right to invade and bomb whoever the hell we feel like while stockpiling personal arms caches and making little pillow fortresses out of Bibles.
The point, dear NPC alt, is that everyone in this game is basically a jerk and is going to get butthurt about something. It's a culture-clash thing, not a CSM issue.
Quoting for non-double-standard opinion Fon will get russian votes one way or another because as you say there is always "culture-clash thing" and mostly nobody cares about his RL positions. Actually anyone will do better than Mittani's hand puppet UAxDeath as russian candidate. Why someone should vote for this slacker (Death) again if one can vote for Mittani directly with same result. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
100
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:09:00 -
[116] - Quote
Quoted from: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=442247#post442247
Fon Revedhort wrote:Whatever.
I've never had an intention of pleasing everyone on the globe, especially if they don't even belong to my race - which is something I suspect for your case.
Anyway, I do hope CCP retains some sanity and will follow my logic and the things I say instead of succumbing to 'let's make everyone equal' claims.
In response to:
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:i have actually studied Duke and his campaign for the LA Senate seat. Your arguement is pitiful and those of us in the political science field that have studied realist theory and/or subscribe to it, would say you are a very skewed individual who is in fact very racist.
I think the quote speaks for itself. His ability to determine race via typed words is pretty awesome, though. Kudos.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:15:00 -
[117] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Quoted from: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=442247#post442247Fon Revedhort wrote:Whatever.
I've never had an intention of pleasing everyone on the globe, especially if they don't even belong to my race - which is something I suspect for your case.
Anyway, I do hope CCP retains some sanity and will follow my logic and the things I say instead of succumbing to 'let's make everyone equal' claims. In response to: Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:i have actually studied Duke and his campaign for the LA Senate seat. Your arguement is pitiful and those of us in the political science field that have studied realist theory and/or subscribe to it, would say you are a very skewed individual who is in fact very racist. I think the quote speaks for itself. His ability to determine race via typed words is pretty awesome, though. Kudos.
White people type like this. Black people type like this. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:19:00 -
[118] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote: Fon will get russian votes one way or another because as you say there is always "culture-clash thing" and mostly nobody cares about his RL positions.
Good, good, put all your support behind someone that nobody else on the council will want to work with. |
Sarmatiko
531
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:29:00 -
[119] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Good, good, put all your support behind someone that nobody else on the council will want to work with. Actually it's even better. I cant imagine Fon and Mittens rubbing each other in Blue Lagoon, discussing CSM things. |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:42:00 -
[120] - Quote
Dear Mr. David Duke aka Fon Raverwhatever,
I understand that you are running for the CSM. I applaud your grand efforts as I have always thought four playable races was far too many. To be honest, I have played a Minmatar character since 2003 and I'm extremely tired of role-playing a undernourished underclass that exists on space welfare. I'm sure you have grand ideas of wiping out the Minmatars since they tend to be people of color and directly opposed to your worldview.
Please let me know when you are chairman so that I can roleplay a easybake oven in your honor. I'm also willing to reenact the Trail of Tears for you, as I have much knowledge of American genocides. Even better, it would add to the realism of the experience if you could add the following items and skills:
1. Genocide 2. Race Discrimination (this could be a PVE skill) 3. Tech I Oven 4. Tech II Oven 5. Enslavement Skill 6. Gas Chamber I (must be anchored at POS) 7. Gas Chamber II (must be anchored at POS) 8. Adverse Possession Skill 9. Horns for Spaceship with the Dixie theme 10. "Klan Kovers" for the Aurum store
Thank you for your time and I look forward to seeing your very radical views expressed on the Council of Stellar Management.
Regards,
Digi |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.02.15 00:14:00 -
[121] - Quote
Fon, can you describe your most important value in 14 words? You may take another 88 words to expound further upon it.
Also, how would you iterate Plantation Interaction? |
Armlaa Lenbar
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.02.15 00:46:00 -
[122] - Quote
digi wrote:Dear Mr. David Duke aka Fon Raverwhatever,
I understand that you are running for the CSM. I applaud your grand efforts as I have always thought four playable races was far too many. To be honest, I have played a Minmatar character since 2003 and I'm extremely tired of role-playing a undernourished underclass that exists on space welfare. I'm sure you have grand ideas of wiping out the Minmatars since they tend to be people of color and directly opposed to your worldview.
Please let me know when you are chairman so that I can roleplay a easybake oven in your honor. I'm also willing to reenact the Trail of Tears for you, as I have much knowledge of American genocides. Even better, it would add to the realism of the experience if you could add the following items and skills:
1. Genocide 2. Race Discrimination (this could be a PVE skill) 3. Tech I Oven 4. Tech II Oven 5. Enslavement Skill 6. Gas Chamber I (must be anchored at POS) 7. Gas Chamber II (must be anchored at POS) 8. Adverse Possession Skill 9. Horns for Spaceship with the Dixie theme 10. "Klan Kovers" for the Aurum store
Thank you for your time and I look forward to seeing your very radical views expressed on the Council of Stellar Management.
Regards,
Digi
I think you've missed Pox Blankets and Glass Jewelry but we can get it in the next patch. Guantanamo system with a photo booth would be nice too, but i am afraid it would put too much strain on the arts department. Ahh and David Duke appreciation monument with a donation slot so every goon could've paid homage to their original leader =) |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:04:00 -
[123] - Quote
Armlaa Lenbar wrote: I think you've missed Pox Blankets and Glass Jewelry but we can get it in the next patch. Guantanamo system with a photo booth would be nice too, but i am afraid it would put too much strain on the arts department. Ahh and David Duke appreciation monument with a donation slot so every goon could've paid homage to their original leader =)
Sorry about your weird mental illness. It probably won't get any better, either.
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Sarmatiko
531
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:18:00 -
[124] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Also, how would you iterate Plantation Interaction? FYI most russians were in fact in feudal slavery from 1497 till 1861. Then many of us were killed by soviet genocide in 1933, and even more died in WW2 in german internments. Should we demand some special treatment and unemployment benefits because of that? When caucasian kills or enslaves caucasian it's ok? It's only bad when it's happened in US history? |
Armlaa Lenbar
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:52:00 -
[125] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Armlaa Lenbar wrote: I think you've missed Pox Blankets and Glass Jewelry but we can get it in the next patch. Guantanamo system with a photo booth would be nice too, but i am afraid it would put too much strain on the arts department. Ahh and David Duke appreciation monument with a donation slot so every goon could've paid homage to their original leader =)
Sorry about your weird mental illness. It probably won't get any better, either. how old are you ? |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.02.15 02:32:00 -
[126] - Quote
Look, I realize that some of you who are white knighting this racist piece of trash may be from countries that are new to democracy and actually believe that elections are about issues, but I'm telling you now this guy's campaign is dead in the water. At this point even Riverini is a more viable candidate.
You may think goons are in this thread because Fon is some kind of threat but the fact is goons are drawn to the smell of blood. It's over for this loser. Even if you were to get a bunch of Russians or whoever behind him, he will be only one voice on the CSM and nobody else will want to work with him, which means he'll be a voice that never gets heard and he'll never be able to advocate effectively on your behalf.
You want someone who can make deals and build coalitions or at least be invited to join coalitions. This guy will never be able to do that.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
480
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Posted - 2012.02.15 02:48:00 -
[127] - Quote
I don't need any goon backup to efficiently work within CSM just like I don't need a blob with me while PvPing.
That's something a lot of EVE players can hardly overestimate. Goons may waste their breath as much as they want to, but they are only a minority of the playerbase. \o/ |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.02.15 02:58:00 -
[128] - Quote
The first person to point this out wasn't a goon. And while goons are known far and wide for their extreme political correctness, other people will more likely than not refuse to work with racist filth like you.
Also, are you sure you're not on a "do not fly" list due to being affiliated with Aryan Nations or some other domestic terrorist group?
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Sarmatiko
531
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:00:00 -
[129] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Look, I realize that some of you who are white knighting this racist piece of trash may be from countries that are new to democracy and actually believe that elections are about issues, but I'm telling you now this guy's campaign is dead in the water. I would like to see truth-revealing Goonwaffe Kraken in UAxDeath election topic (if he dares ofc). But because Death is Mittani RL friend we would probably never know about RMT deals nor about zero activity in CSM6. Isn't it?
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
480
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:14:00 -
[130] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote: Also, are you sure you're not on a "do not fly" list due to being affiliated with Aryan Nations or some other domestic terrorist group?
I'm actually a quite handsome fellow both ingame and IRL. Unlike some, I do have my own views though and sometimes that causes local disputes. So what? No one has ever achieved anything by simply pleasing everyone in an insipid manner. You can't do a **** that way. \o/ |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:22:00 -
[131] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote: Also, are you sure you're not on a "do not fly" list due to being affiliated with Aryan Nations or some other domestic terrorist group?
I'm actually a quite handsome fellow both ingame and IRL. Unlike some, I do have my own views though and sometimes that causes local disputes. So what? No one has ever achieved anything by simply pleasing everyone in an insipid manner. You can't do a **** that way.
So you're saying you're not sure whether you're on a "do not fly" list due to your Aryan Nations affiliation. I think voters should take that into account, given the potential need for you to travel to Iceland. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
480
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:25:00 -
[132] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote: Also, are you sure you're not on a "do not fly" list due to being affiliated with Aryan Nations or some other domestic terrorist group?
I'm actually a quite handsome fellow both ingame and IRL. Unlike some, I do have my own views though and sometimes that causes local disputes. So what? No one has ever achieved anything by simply pleasing everyone in an insipid manner. You can't do a **** that way. So you're saying you're not sure whether you're on a "do not fly" list due to your Aryan Nations affiliation. I think voters should take that into account, given the potential need for you to travel to Iceland. I've got no idea who they are.
Also, implying I have hard time joining a blob is just laughable. \o/ |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4967
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:27:00 -
[133] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:I don't need any goon backup to efficiently work within CSM just like I don't need a blob with me while PvPing.
That's something a lot of EVE players can hardly overestimate. Goons may waste their breath as much as they want to, but they are only a minority of the playerbase.
I bet you'll be a big hit with the devs. "Oh, hey, the skinhead has an idea for spaceships, let's listen to HIM!"
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:33:00 -
[134] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote: Also, are you sure you're not on a "do not fly" list due to being affiliated with Aryan Nations or some other domestic terrorist group?
I'm actually a quite handsome fellow both ingame and IRL. Unlike some, I do have my own views though and sometimes that causes local disputes. So what? No one has ever achieved anything by simply pleasing everyone in an insipid manner. You can't do a **** that way. So you're saying you're not sure whether you're on a "do not fly" list due to your Aryan Nations affiliation. I think voters should take that into account, given the potential need for you to travel to Iceland. I've got no idea who they are. Also, implying I have hard time joining a blob is just laughable.
I'm not talking about joining a blob, I'm talking about taking an international flight to Icel--
Ooooohhhh.
I see.
Yes, you're right, no one can stop you from flying anywhere in all of space. Even to Planet Iceland. I hope you enjoy your nice space flight.
Everyone, chime in and assure Mr. Revedhort we all support his space flight, right? Of course we do! Good night, Mr. Revedhort.
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Rythm
True Power Team
11
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Posted - 2012.02.15 04:02:00 -
[135] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote: Also, are you sure you're not on a "do not fly" list due to being affiliated with Aryan Nations or some other domestic terrorist group?
I'm actually a quite handsome fellow both ingame and IRL. Unlike some, I do have my own views though and sometimes that causes local disputes. So what? No one has ever achieved anything by simply pleasing everyone in an insipid manner. You can't do a **** that way. So you're saying you're not sure whether you're on a "do not fly" list due to your Aryan Nations affiliation. I think voters should take that into account, given the potential need for you to travel to Iceland. I've got no idea who they are. Also, implying I have hard time joining a blob is just laughable. I'm not talking about joining a blob, I'm talking about taking an international flight to Icel-- Ooooohhhh. I see. Yes, you're right, no one can stop you from flying anywhere in all of space. Even to Planet Iceland. I hope you enjoy your nice space flight. Everyone, chime in and assure Mr. Revedhort we all support his space flight, right? Of course we do! Good night, Mr. Revedhort. Is it really that bad in US that you can be denied freedom of travel on the grounds that you're a bad poster ? Thanks God we still have freedom of speech in Russia =) |
Tyrion Struan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.02.15 08:53:00 -
[136] - Quote
Electing this guy just sounds as a better and better idea to me. Think of all the good press it may generate for CCP. IGÇÖm not the best at headlines, but cool stuff like GÇ£White supremacist representing players of eveGÇ¥, GÇ£Eve; the game developed in cooperation with neo-Na;zisGÇ¥. Or letGÇÖs make him chair, GÇ£Eve body governed by white supremacistGÇ¥. CCP public relations people ought to be celebrating, there will be no end to the bad press that can be generated from this (and thus the workload for them). |
Xutech
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:48:00 -
[137] - Quote
As a person "of colour" I am astounded that CCP has failed to remove this self identified racist from any possibility of election.
In fact, up until CSM members started to post about it, it certainly seems that posts in this thread bringing attention to his openly posted views were being "moderated" ie censored.
Publicly available information about whether or not a CSM candidate is a racist is entirely relevant and should be grounds for removal.
We should know in order to make an informed decision. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:26:00 -
[138] - Quote
Tyrion Struan wrote:Electing this guy just sounds as a better and better idea to me. Think of all the good press it may generate for CCP. IGÇÖm not the best at headlines, but cool stuff like GÇ£White supremacist representing players of eveGÇ¥, GÇ£Eve; the game developed in cooperation with neo-Na;zisGÇ¥. Or letGÇÖs make him chair, GÇ£Eve body governed by white supremacistGÇ¥. CCP public relations people ought to be celebrating, there will be no end to the bad press that can be generated from this (and thus the workload for them).
Agreed. If we can't escape it, we should embrace it. And suddenly the ironic racism used in much of Eve player discourse won't be ironic anymore! It is the new sincerity.
\o\o\o\o\o\o h8h8h8h8h8h8
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:30:00 -
[139] - Quote
Rythm wrote: Is it really that bad in US that you can be denied freedom of travel on the grounds that you're a bad poster ?
If only it were that easy.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
486
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:51:00 -
[140] - Quote
A few words on cruise missiles have been added.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=780636#post780636 \o/ |
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Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:32:00 -
[141] - Quote
Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
486
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:10:00 -
[142] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting I fully agree that current implementation hardly makes sense and needs to be changed.
That said, the stuff proposed looks a bit complicated and by definition bounty hunting is derivative of pirating. Pirating isn't that viable as a profession and thus bounty hunting won't be lucrative either.
I guess some are mistaken here by the digits shown as bounty - those were collected for years and should someone claim them, it's unlikely they'll recover any time soon. Someone needs to keep dumping isk into the system and I don't see anyone sane doing it for long
It's worth discussing, though. I might be missing something, too. Have never really thought much about bounty hunting, tbqh. \o/ |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:26:00 -
[143] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting I fully agree that current implementation hardly makes sense and needs to be changed. That said, the stuff proposed looks a bit complicated and by definition bounty hunting is derivative of pirating. Pirating isn't that viable as a profession and thus bounty hunting won't be lucrative either. I guess some are mistaken here by the digits shown as bounty - those were collected for years and should someone claim them, it's unlikely they'll recover any time soon. Someone needs to keep dumping isk into the system and I don't see anyone sane doing it for long It's worth discussing, though. I might be missing something, too. Have never really thought much about bounty hunting, tbqh.
Ty, Fon, quoted in linked thread
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Herbatrix
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:28:00 -
[144] - Quote
I actually have a question that's not about political views;
You mentioned about how you want any future supercaps to be more balanced, but what are your views on Titans as they currently stand? |
doombreed52
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:36:00 -
[145] - Quote
Herbatrix wrote:I actually have a question that's not about political views;
You mentioned about how you want any future supercaps to be more balanced, but what are your views on Titans as they currently stand?
its all good armour machs can handle them. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
298
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:45:00 -
[146] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote: What makes you think I'm intolerant and can't interact with other people? That's quite interesting, do elaborate.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=442415#post442415
Fon Revedhort wrote:Whatever.
I've never had an intention of pleasing everyone on the globe, especially if they don't even belong to my race - which is something I suspect for your case.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
490
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:23:00 -
[147] - Quote
Herbatrix wrote:You mentioned about how you want any future supercaps to be more balanced, but what are your views on Titans as they currently stand? I haven't got any practical feeling of their infamous uber-tracking, so this needs some clarification, but I'm a firm opponent of current portal and EW-immunity. My proposals on cyno will automatically fix the portal, but EW-related stuff needs some debates. For instance, they proposed to give 'em build-in warp core strength of like 30, which is way too much. 5 points for a supercarrier and 10 for Titan is probably OK, but I for one would like to see them dropping that crap altogether, since no one actually prevents you from fitting WCS's.
I personally don't care how Titans perform in blobs against each other, my main concern is that they must be actually vulnerable and thus catchable by pretty much anything. And also their use outside sov-warfare is to be brought in line with demands of the game to retain some fun. Being hot-dropped instantly without any warning and without any chance of survival surely contradicts this idea.
So, EW invulnerability -> EW resist (at most) Instantenious power projection -> balanced one (see cyno mechanics part)
There's nothing wrong whatsoever with Titans being jammable by Griffins. And one's ability to ruin their guns with Arbitrators will be very good for the game, too. Given there are stacking penalties, it still would be impossible to render Titans totaly crippled. \o/ |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
490
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:03:00 -
[148] - Quote
Mfume Apocal wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote: What makes you think I'm intolerant and can't interact with other people? That's quite interesting, do elaborate.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=442415#post442415Quote:Enough of this communism. People are NOT equal just like human races are NOT equal etc. And there's no need in this artificial equalizing you propose. Quote:you sir are a racist Fon Revedhort wrote:Whatever.
I've never had an intention of pleasing everyone on the globe, especially if they don't even belong to my race - which is something I suspect for your case. Fixed for some justice.
Why would I want to please anyone making deliberate and unprovoked insults? Ignoring boors is now treated as inability to communicate? Wow. \o/ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2080
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:17:00 -
[149] - Quote
i wouldn't go around calling other posters "boors" when you post racist crap unprompted, hope that helps yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Jim Grimes
Correct Horse Battery Staple
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:43:00 -
[150] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Yes, you're right, no one can stop you from flying anywhere in all of space. Even to Planet Iceland. I hope you enjoy your nice space flight.
Everyone, chime in and assure Mr. Revedhort we all support his space flight, right? Of course we do! Good night, Mr. Revedhort.
Heh.
Fortunately he ain't 'Merican ... but unfortunately the US no fly list doesn't apply to his stranger-phobic butt. As long as he doesn't set foot here, the TSA can't gang **** him.
So he could fly to Planet Iceland.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
490
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:50:00 -
[151] - Quote
Andski wrote:i wouldn't go around calling other posters "boors" when you post racist crap unprompted, hope that helps Asking a goon to elaborate on where exactly he saw 'racist crap' would be too much, right?
Free bumps help, that's for sure. \o/ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2081
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:52:00 -
[152] - Quote
I saw what I define as "racist crap," how you wish to paint yourself as a ~racial realist~ or otherwise is irrelevant. yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
490
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:54:00 -
[153] - Quote
Andski wrote:I saw what I define as "racist crap," how you wish to paint yourself as a ~racial realist~ or otherwise is irrelevant. You can define a nun as a streetwalker if you so please, so what? I don't give a crap about your definitions. Get me an aswer or get out. \o/ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2082
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 00:59:00 -
[154] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:I've never had an intention of pleasing everyone on the globe, especially if they don't even belong to my race - which is something I suspect for your case.
Fon Revedhort wrote:Enough of this communism. People are NOT equal just like human races are NOT equal etc. And there's no need in this artificial equalizing you propose.
good enough? yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
298
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:00:00 -
[155] - Quote
the point is that you sound crazy as **** when your personal racial views spill over into such threads as "hybrid rebalancing"
i mean wtf, seriously. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
490
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:04:00 -
[156] - Quote
Andski wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:I've never had an intention of pleasing everyone on the globe, especially if they don't even belong to my race - which is something I suspect for your case. Fon Revedhort wrote:Enough of this communism. People are NOT equal just like human races are NOT equal etc. And there's no need in this artificial equalizing you propose. good enough? That must be a special definition of racism. My nun-streetwalker comparison fits pretty well with this scheme. \o/ |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
490
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:07:00 -
[157] - Quote
Mfume Apocal wrote:the point is that you sound crazy as **** when your personal racial views spill over into such threads as "hybrid rebalancing"
i mean wtf, seriously. People sound crazy as *** when they bring comparisons out of the actual conversation (where they belong to) and start a stupid flame. \o/ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2082
|
Posted - 2012.02.16 01:08:00 -
[158] - Quote
Quote:racism (n) - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
Merriam-Webster must agree with my special definition then, vOv yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
490
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:13:00 -
[159] - Quote
So stating that races are different implies there are such things as superiory and inferiority? \o/ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2082
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:17:00 -
[160] - Quote
your question is excessively suggestive, but yes, that is what you imply yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
490
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:24:00 -
[161] - Quote
Andski wrote:your question is excessively suggestive, but yes, that is what you imply Alright, mr. interpreter.
Men and women are different. By your logic, superiority is right there. Who's better? \o/ |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:42:00 -
[162] - Quote
Andski wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:I've never had an intention of pleasing everyone on the globe, especially if they don't even belong to my race - which is something I suspect for your case. Fon Revedhort wrote:Enough of this communism. People are NOT equal just like human races are NOT equal etc. And there's no need in this artificial equalizing you propose. good enough? there's a common thread with all 'proud racists'
they're always pretty much the most defective people around so they gotta find some way, some how, that they're not poor scum that nobody cares about and that they have value - not from their intelligence, wealth, friends, status in society, or any of those other multitude of things they lack - through the only thing they've got left: their race
it's pretty sad |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
490
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:54:00 -
[163] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Andski wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:I've never had an intention of pleasing everyone on the globe, especially if they don't even belong to my race - which is something I suspect for your case. Fon Revedhort wrote:Enough of this communism. People are NOT equal just like human races are NOT equal etc. And there's no need in this artificial equalizing you propose. good enough? there's a common thread with all 'proud racists' they're always pretty much the most defective people around so they gotta find some way, some how, that they're not poor scum that nobody cares about and that they have value - not from their intelligence, wealth, friends, status in society, or any of those other multitude of things they lack - through the only thing they've got left: their race it's pretty sad You failed to make a point on how being proud of your race is racism and how it's bad. They can be proud of whatever they want, it's not a crime. Not even a reason to keep flaming here while having absolutely nothing to say about EVE itself. \o/ |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:58:00 -
[164] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote: You failed to make a point on how being proud of your race is racism and how it's bad. They can be proud of whatever they want, it's not a crime. Not even a reason to keep flaming here while having absolutely nothing to say about EVE itself.
i'm proud of being me because i have accomplishments of my own and i'm a pretty excellent person and have all sorts of things to be proud of
you, on the other hand, have managed to scrape down to "some people that look vaugely like me (except won't associate with me because i'm uneducated trash) did some cool things once"
goooooood job captain successful |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.02.16 02:00:00 -
[165] - Quote
see being proud "of my race" would involve being associated with you and i prefer to only associate with people above the level of a new york city hobo passed out in his own vomit |
Jinli mei
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
88
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Posted - 2012.02.16 02:02:00 -
[166] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Andski wrote:your question is excessively suggestive, but yes, that is what you imply Alright, mr. interpreter. Men and women are different. By your logic, superiority is right there. Who's better?
I don't think you understand what he wrote -- you've been implying supremacy based on differences in race, and that must also mean you likely believe in supremacy because of differences in gender.
Although I think the biggest fault andski made was assuming a racist would understand logic. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
490
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Posted - 2012.02.16 02:03:00 -
[167] - Quote
Have a cookie. Then go help Andski, cause he's kinda it trouble. \o/ |
Rythm
True Power Team
11
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Posted - 2012.02.16 02:08:00 -
[168] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Andski wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:I've never had an intention of pleasing everyone on the globe, especially if they don't even belong to my race - which is something I suspect for your case. Fon Revedhort wrote:Enough of this communism. People are NOT equal just like human races are NOT equal etc. And there's no need in this artificial equalizing you propose. good enough? there's a common thread with all 'proud racists' they're always pretty much the most defective people around so they gotta find some way, some how, that they're not poor scum that nobody cares about and that they have value - not from their intelligence, wealth, friends, status in society, or any of those other multitude of things they lack - through the only thing they've got left: their race it's pretty sad Pretty bitter quote. What happened ? Had some bad run-ins with asian boyz or indian posse ? |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.02.16 02:29:00 -
[169] - Quote
Rythm wrote: Pretty bitter quote. What happened ? Had some bad run-ins with asian boyz or indian posse ?
in case it's not clear i got nothing against groups like that my scorn is reserved purely for "i'm just proud of my race" white supremists |
Rythm
True Power Team
11
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:47:00 -
[170] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Rythm wrote: Pretty bitter quote. What happened ? Had some bad run-ins with asian boyz or indian posse ?
in case it's not clear i got nothing against groups like that my scorn is reserved purely for "i'm just proud of my race" white supremists saved and reported to police as possible criminal gang supporter =) enjoy your no fly club membership sir ! |
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Lomarro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:30:00 -
[171] - Quote
Rythm wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Rythm wrote: Pretty bitter quote. What happened ? Had some bad run-ins with asian boyz or indian posse ?
in case it's not clear i got nothing against groups like that my scorn is reserved purely for "i'm just proud of my race" white supremists saved and reported to police as possible criminal gang supporter =) enjoy your no fly club membership sir !
your local police will be happy to fly over the ocean to get this *gang supporter* |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:45:00 -
[172] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:You failed to make a point on how being proud of your race is racism and how it's bad. They can be proud of whatever they want, it's not a crime. Not even a reason to keep flaming here while having absolutely nothing to say about EVE itself.
You compared yourself to David Duke. You can argue semantics all you want, but you're not fooling anyone but yourself and your fellow white supremacist "racial realist" toolbags. To anyone else, you're as hollow, transparent and worthless as the garbage rhetoric you decided to vomit all over the internet. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:53:00 -
[173] - Quote
looks like these new developments are going to mean that fon ravedhort is going to lose the brutor vote |
Rythm
True Power Team
11
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Posted - 2012.02.16 07:59:00 -
[174] - Quote
Lomarro wrote:Rythm wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Rythm wrote: Pretty bitter quote. What happened ? Had some bad run-ins with asian boyz or indian posse ?
in case it's not clear i got nothing against groups like that my scorn is reserved purely for "i'm just proud of my race" white supremists saved and reported to police as possible criminal gang supporter =) enjoy your no fly club membership sir ! your local police will be happy to fly over the ocean to get this *gang supporter* Free trip to US? hell yeah !
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Leontyne Gaterau
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
31
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Posted - 2012.02.16 08:04:00 -
[175] - Quote
FINALLY, a CSM candidate proud of being a white, middle class internet speshssihsips pilot. |
Rythm
True Power Team
13
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Posted - 2012.02.16 10:51:00 -
[176] - Quote
Leontyne Gaterau wrote:FINALLY, a CSM candidate proud of being a white, middle class internet speshssihsips pilot. Finally a post that made me chuckle. You are true Internet spaceship supremacist, sir ! |
Herbatrix
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 13:22:00 -
[177] - Quote
Sorry for going offtopic and bringing up an old post, but just noticed..
Quote: It's right the reverse - autocracy has proved itself to be far superior, that's why they promote democracy so desperatly. .. Democracy or power of numbers has yet to produce anything of value.
Anyone else find it amusingly ironic that you're here partaking in a democratic election process?
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
498
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:23:00 -
[178] - Quote
Herbatrix wrote:Sorry for going offtopic and bringing up an old post, but just noticed.. Quote: It's right the reverse - autocracy has proved itself to be far superior, that's why they promote democracy so desperatly. .. Democracy or power of numbers has yet to produce anything of value.
Anyone else find it amusingly ironic that you're here partaking in a democratic election process? CCP's being run autocratically, so no contradiction here. Parlament can co-exist with a supreme leader. It's merely a consultative body, just like CSM. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Ane Mary
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 18:42:00 -
[179] - Quote
+1 |
Olm Bjokke
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.17 23:27:00 -
[180] - Quote
I can't even imagine an amount of effort it took Fon to not speak about "race supremacy" for the first 6 or 7 pages - this guy is literally built with this staff.
What I find really funny is that he now seeks your support, my non-Russian and especially American and Jewish friends, after he has multiple times unambiguously expressed his negative attitude to you on Russian EVE forum. But he is very open about his feelings - I guess this is a good thing... |
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Val Kamiya
Zervas Aeronautics Otas Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.19 08:18:00 -
[181] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:Herbatrix wrote:Sorry for going offtopic and bringing up an old post, but just noticed.. Quote: It's right the reverse - autocracy has proved itself to be far superior, that's why they promote democracy so desperatly. .. Democracy or power of numbers has yet to produce anything of value.
Anyone else find it amusingly ironic that you're here partaking in a democratic election process? CCP's being run autocratically, so no contradiction here. Parlament can co-exist with a supreme leader. It's merely a consultative body, just like CSM.
David Cameron, Supreme Leader of Britannia~
(totally not leaning on coalition support) |
K3shanb3rk
Federation Academy F E D E R A T I O N
0
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Posted - 2012.02.19 09:17:00 -
[182] - Quote
Supported |
fon Luck
Russian Bandits Military Wing Ultima Rati0
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 06:03:00 -
[183] - Quote
Supported |
RasKarpas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 13:25:00 -
[184] - Quote
Leontyne Gaterau wrote:FINALLY, a CSM candidate proud of being a white, middle class internet speshssihsips pilot.
You Sir, have made my day
On another note, I think that the forum moderators are taking a bit of a liberty, removing the posts which address the candidate's outspoken views, I believe that when a person is up for public elections - he should be faced with whatever rubbish he promotes. When a candidate is up for voting, first thing i want to make sure when i vote for him - that he's a decent human being.
Also, this is probably the first place that I've seen that Fon is loosing his coolness answering, which is also extremely gratifying. You see, it's not like eve-ru.com where you simply issue a "read-only" for a week when you're tired of arguing, here you had to degrade to "proof or get out" style This example is brought to you free of charge, you can witness a true interaction with Fon, where he doesn't have the power to moderate
wrote:*snip* offtopic post removed. Spitfire
Dear Mr. Spitfire, sir - what is an offtopic post, when someone asks for my vote in an elections? Where, if elected, he represents me in a council of human beings vs. another group of human beings?
P.S. If anyone is interesed, I am willing to translate a speech Fon has made on the 9th May celebration, where according to his own quote, half the people hearing it branded him fascist. Speech is located on a na zi resource i wouldn't want to link here, but he linked it on eve-ru.com |
RasKarpas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 13:36:00 -
[185] - Quote
del |
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ISD Grossvogel
Community Communications Liaisons
26
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:04:00 -
[186] - Quote
RasKarpas wrote:P.S. If anyone is interesed, I am willing to translate a speech Fon has made on the 9th May celebration, where according to his own quote, half the people hearing it branded him fascist. No, no one's interested in you doing this, because political discussions of any kind are prohibited on these forums (and personal attacks have severe consequences). ISD Grossvogel (ISD -ô-Ç-+-ü-ü-ä-+-¦-¦-+-î) Captain, Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) -Æ-+-+-+-+-é-æ-Ç -¦-Ç-â-+-+-ï -+-+ -¦-+-¦-+-+-+-¦-¦-¦-ü-é-¦-+-Ä -ü -+-¦-Ç-+-¦-¦-+-+ Interstellar Services Department |
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RasKarpas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:21:00 -
[187] - Quote
ISD Grossvogel wrote: No, no one's interested in you doing this, because political discussions of any kind are prohibited on these forums (and personal attacks have severe consequences).
Well you see, this is exactly where you err. It's not some overheard conversation, or inside information that is being brought up as a personal attack, it's the very principles the candidate himself advocates and promotes, widely on a public (mind that - public and not personal) resource with thousands of readers. Hence, there's no political discussion at all, and are no personal attacks as well - only a judging of character, which as I have stated before, matters in no degree less than the candidate's proficiency in fitting a drake. |
RasKarpas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:32:00 -
[188] - Quote
double |
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ISD Grossvogel
Community Communications Liaisons
26
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:08:00 -
[189] - Quote
RasKarpas wrote:ISD Grossvogel wrote: No, no one's interested in you doing this, because political discussions of any kind are prohibited on these forums (and personal attacks have severe consequences).
Well you see, this is exactly where you err. No, I don't. You're not discussing internet spaceships, and you insist on steering this thread in an entirely disagreeable direction; in doing this, you are going against the basic principles of this assembly.
I strongly suggest that we leave this discussion at that. ISD Grossvogel (ISD -ô-Ç-+-ü-ü-ä-+-¦-¦-+-î) Captain, Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) -Æ-+-+-+-+-é-æ-Ç -¦-Ç-â-+-+-ï -+-+ -¦-+-¦-+-+-+-¦-¦-¦-ü-é-¦-+-Ä -ü -+-¦-Ç-+-¦-¦-+-+ Interstellar Services Department |
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RasKarpas
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:19:00 -
[190] - Quote
ISD Grossvogel wrote: No, I don't.
Well let's just say that we've agreed to disagree.
ISD Grossvogel wrote: You're not discussing internet spaceships, and you insist on steering this thread in an entirely disagreeable direction; in doing this, you are going against the basic principles of this assembly.
I strongly suggest that we leave this discussion at that.
Disagreeable indeed, that it has reached this stage. If I am not mistaken, this thread is about a candidate to CSM, no? I've plainly explained my point in some posts above. Your suggestion was noted. |
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
315
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:55:00 -
[191] - Quote
]RasKarpas wrote:P.S. If anyone is interesed, I am willing to translate a speech Fon has made on the 9th May celebration, where according to his own quote, half the people hearing it branded him fascist.
I'm interested. Just post in the OOC forum so we can all point and laugh.
ISD Grossvogel wrote:No, no one's interested in you doing this, because political discussions of any kind are prohibited on these forums (and personal attacks have severe consequences).
l0l
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
1343
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Posted - 2012.02.22 00:21:00 -
[192] - Quote
ISD Grossvogel wrote:RasKarpas wrote:P.S. If anyone is interesed, I am willing to translate a speech Fon has made on the 9th May celebration, where according to his own quote, half the people hearing it branded him fascist. No, no one's interested in you doing this, because political discussions of any kind are prohibited on these forums (and personal attacks have severe consequences).
I think you need to talk with the Community team about statements like this. We are electing a real human (which is why he gives his RL name is his CSM application) and his real life views are directly relevant to his campaign. Vote Two step for CSM 7 CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1355
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Posted - 2012.02.22 07:02:00 -
[193] - Quote
Two step wrote:ISD Grossvogel wrote:RasKarpas wrote:P.S. If anyone is interesed, I am willing to translate a speech Fon has made on the 9th May celebration, where according to his own quote, half the people hearing it branded him fascist. No, no one's interested in you doing this, because political discussions of any kind are prohibited on these forums (and personal attacks have severe consequences). I think you need to talk with the Community team about statements like this. We are electing a real human (which is why he gives his RL name is his CSM application) and his real life views are directly relevant to his campaign.
Hello Two step,
While CSM candidates obviously might have different real life views on various issues, the main goal of the council is to represent the players' opinions on the game, not their political stances. As such, we consider the discussions of this kind to be offtopic and detrimental to the campaign as a whole. Furthermore, I would like to remind you that political discussions of any kind are not allowed on our forums.
With that in mind, if you feel that a certain candidate should not be electable to the CSM for any reason, please file a petition to the community team explaining your position and we will pass it to CCP Xhagen and CCP Diagoras who oversee the election process.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Baron Kreight
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 04:31:00 -
[194] - Quote
This guy is a n a z i. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
292
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:39:00 -
[195] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Two step wrote:Uh, the quotes that I linked? In one you make a comment that seems like it is intended to be anti-Semitic, and in the other one you praise David Duke, who was a leader of the ***, a group not exactly known for their tolerance. Both of those topics came up during a balance discussion, which implies to me that you feel they are important, or why would you have mentioned them? To be fair, the anti-semite and white supremacist vote is as yet untapped in CSM elections.... I thought Ankhesentapemkah had cornered the "crazy fringe" market in csm 6? Or was it 5? So it's been tapped at least once...
Courthouse wrote:I'm pretty politically astute and even I wouldn't want to try and stand in front of the inevitable trainwreck that this candidacy is going to produce.
QForT!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2385
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Posted - 2012.02.23 16:48:00 -
[196] - Quote
I mean to put this in context you censor the very word used to describe his viewpoints |
None ofthe Above
78
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:39:00 -
[197] - Quote
Two step wrote:ISD Grossvogel wrote:RasKarpas wrote:P.S. If anyone is interesed, I am willing to translate a speech Fon has made on the 9th May celebration, where according to his own quote, half the people hearing it branded him fascist. No, no one's interested in you doing this, because political discussions of any kind are prohibited on these forums (and personal attacks have severe consequences). I think you need to talk with the Community team about statements like this. We are electing a real human (which is why he gives his RL name is his CSM application) and his real life views are directly relevant to his campaign.
I agree with Two-Step on this.
These are real people, primarily representing the playerbase to CCP, but in some aspects representing CCP to the players and the world. I respectfully submit to you that its a mistake apply generic forum rules to discussions about and by the candidates. Cleaning up slander may be one thing, but honest discussion of a candidate is another.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
566
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Posted - 2012.02.23 17:48:00 -
[198] - Quote
I do hope provokers and trolls won't mind me posting some EVE-related stuff. Thanks.
Low-sec.
CCP states Incursions are awesome. I don't feel like denying that particular thought, but let's just talk about whether running Incursions is in line with other low-sec stuff. You can basically run missions, plexes and anomalies. Also you can mine and kill rats in belts. Add in PI, moon mining, hauling - and that's pretty much it.
The thing is, none of the above requires a fleet of 30-50 people in it. Everything's usually being done in very small groups, sometimes even solo. It's pretty easy for pirates to attack those and thus establish social interaction. Those pirates in turn attract third parties and it all escalates pretty good. Incursions, on the other hand, require quite a lot of people initially and - given there are multiple logistic ships as well - are very unlikely to attract something lesser than a blob, which would seem to be more suited for 0.0 roams. That's a huge contradiction - most activities are aimed for small-scale game play while Incursions require significant numbers .
I'm in no way advocating for Incursions removal, though. What I'm saying is: low-sec space needs more small-scale, casual stuff. Something easily available equally for bored pirates and carebears on their first venture out of high-sec. Something fast, which won't require probing out neither the site nor the ships within it. The latter one is a reason why adding level5 agents to each and every dead-end probably won't cut it, but still I don't see why CCP can't spread out level 5 missions across low-sec. Some areas are just plain deserted. Back in my newbie days there was a reason to go search for those empty pockets - one could mine out there. At the moment low-sec mining is a joke, thus dead-end systems are mostly of no use.
I don't see anything wrong with adding special low-sec missions for pirates (sec status below -5) alone. It sounds reasonable to introduce lesser factions - like EoM - which basically aren't present, but could become a nice alternative to regular navy forces. Give 'em a bit of new content - faction rigs, anyone? - and we'll have it basically done!
Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Scope Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.02.25 05:29:00 -
[199] - Quote
Nothing about Command Ships Fon? Somehow I expected that topic to be in your top 5.
Either way you will probably get my vote as you seem to be the only candidate truly interested in the betterment of eve.
Must say that the Rebalancing of the entire rig lineup is something that has been needed and under represented for years. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
575
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Posted - 2012.02.25 05:40:00 -
[200] - Quote
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Nothing about Command Ships Fon? Somehow I expected that topic to be in your top 5. As weird as it may sound, I skipped that part for a reason. CCP has already told us they are doing some mental crunching on these ships and I just don't want to propose anything before listening to them.
There are several appealing ways one can improve Command Ships and it's kind of hard to pick one without knowing the general idea of CCP on this issue. Are they buffed battlecruisers meant for assault? Are they intended to act as force multipliers? Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
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T0RT0ISE
KRAFTSTOFF GmbH KRAFTSTOFF
41
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Posted - 2012.02.25 06:19:00 -
[201] - Quote
Why do you want to completely destroy the viability of frigates (amongst other ships) by nerfing damage controls? |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
576
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:32:00 -
[202] - Quote
Should we buff Damage Control then? So that frigates (amongst other ships) become even more viable. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
T0RT0ISE
KRAFTSTOFF GmbH KRAFTSTOFF
41
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Posted - 2012.02.25 11:05:00 -
[203] - Quote
There is always the option of leaving them the hell alone because they aren't an issue. If you feel a specific ship has a problem due to their use then you need to consider specific changes to that ship and that ship alone. |
Marian Devers
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
3
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Posted - 2012.02.27 04:05:00 -
[204] - Quote
T0RT0ISE wrote:There is always the option of leaving them the hell alone because they aren't an issue. If you feel a specific ship has a problem due to their use then you need to consider specific changes to that ship and that ship alone.
Can you elaborate on the "other ships" part please?
In which pvp scenarios of frigates vs. "other ships" will the damage control play an important part?
In my experience, you either tank a BC/HAC and kill it, or you don't and die. None of those fights are dependent on the Frigate's EHP, with the Frigate slowly bleeding away shields, armor, and structure, and managing to strike the final blow in hull. Ignoring Gallente for now. |
CanIHave YourStuff
In Praise Of Shadows
12
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Posted - 2012.02.27 08:34:00 -
[205] - Quote
Taranis with no dc. Not that you needs specific example to know damage controls shouldn't be nerfed. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
530
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Posted - 2012.02.27 09:06:00 -
[206] - Quote
ISD Grossvogel wrote: No, I don't. You're not discussing internet spaceships, and you insist on steering this thread in an entirely disagreeable direction; in doing this, you are going against the basic principles of this assembly.
I strongly suggest that we leave this discussion at that.
No we are not we are talking about people who might or might not be elected to personally represent the community and its issues to CCP and beyond. This part isn't about spaceships anymore, this is about representation in the real world media.
Or perhaps you did not notice the blogs, interviews and public statements the CSM did in those? - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
159
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Posted - 2012.02.27 15:09:00 -
[207] - Quote
ISD Grossvogel wrote:RasKarpas wrote:ISD Grossvogel wrote: No, no one's interested in you doing this, because political discussions of any kind are prohibited on these forums (and personal attacks have severe consequences).
Well you see, this is exactly where you err. No, I don't. You're not discussing internet spaceships, and you insist on steering this thread in an entirely disagreeable direction; in doing this, you are going against the basic principles of this assembly. I strongly suggest that we leave this discussion at that.
I strongly suggest you talk to your marketing or public relations experts (if CCP still has any) so you can understand just how much of a public relations disaster you are creating for your company by proceeding as you are.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
582
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Posted - 2012.02.27 15:35:00 -
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As far as I know mods are available at [email protected] (or w/e). I strongly suggest you mail them directly instead of cluttering this thread. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
159
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Posted - 2012.02.27 15:50:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:As far as I know mods are available at [email protected] (or w/e). I strongly suggest you mail them directly instead of cluttering this thread.
Come burn a cross in my yard about it. |
VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
26
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:36:00 -
[210] - Quote
The legendary Fon Revedhort is running for CSM?
Well, I read your posts. I agree with some things. Others, not so much. However, its because of you that I've learned to scoff at people who say FoF missiles are useless. Its because of you that I have a Nighthawk in my hanger. Its because of you that I love small gang warfare and haven't joined some huge null alliance. I've lost well over a dozen ships to you. Heck, I've even used your own tactics against you to kill one of your Machs. You've been an inspiration to me, and many others.
Good sir, you have done one thing no amount of campaigning or promises by the other CSM candidates can do: Earn my vote. Good luck to you. |
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
593
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:54:00 -
[211] - Quote
Thanks, Val, though that very Mach was among my least successful ships and I don't see how any of 15 participants of that fight could have used any specific tactics to bring it down. It was all over in like 60 seconds at most
Anyhow, you win some, you lose some, so see you around! Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Kitt JT
Crimson Empire. Nulli Secunda
20
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Posted - 2012.03.01 22:04:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote: 6) Combat Recons vs. Force Recons
Some may think they are in close relation. I strongly object and state they're of about the same difference as covert-ops frigates and interceptors (or EAFs). I do think Combat and Force Recons are separate ship classes and should be treated as such. But the mind boggles seeing claims of Pilgrim not being a match to Curse. Why should it in the first place!? Pilgrim gets a covert-ops cloak - an extremely powerful module allowing it to sneak and perform sudden attacks. That costs a lot! And so it should. Take a look at Tech3 cruisers - covert-ops subsystem greatly reduces their combat capabilities. And that's great. That's exactly what makes it balanced. So, in contradistinction to what some say, Pilgrim is OK without neut range bonus. Moreover, Curse/Pilgrim pair is exactly how all the Recons are to be balanced - there should be a choice between range and cloak. Having both of the worlds should not be allowed, otherwise it brings us to such a situation where Rook is hardly used and we're forced to give him massive offensives, which is kind of stupid for a Recon ship. I'd even say that Rook will never be used as much as Falcon no matter what - as long as EW range is equal, things will stay the same.
The ultimate conclusion is: reduce range bonuses for tackling mods of both Rapier and Arazu (may be make them match corresponding tech3 hulls), give Rook an EW range bonus.
Rook is hardly used? I fly ecm quite often, and i have to say, i fly it a lot more than the falcon. Rook is a great ship, but for some reason people don't understand it. Its a great close range brawler. Unlike the falcon, the rook is very able to deal decent damage (400 dps), fit a strong tank, a prop mod, and still have room for jamms. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
17
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Posted - 2012.03.02 08:00:00 -
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Although I respect you as a PvPer your ideas are atrocious, like really really bad.
No, I mean really. |
Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
30
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Posted - 2012.03.02 09:22:00 -
[214] - Quote
For a guy I've never heard of you make a lot of good points.
Why aren't your videos linked in your intro since many others undoubtedly haven't heard of you either? |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
596
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Posted - 2012.03.02 10:02:00 -
[215] - Quote
Jonathan Ferguson wrote:For a guy I've never heard of you make a lot of good points.
Why aren't your videos linked in your intro since many others undoubtedly haven't heard of you either? Yeah, might be useful. Made a few links.
Kitt JT wrote: Rook is hardly used? I fly ecm quite often, and i have to say, i fly it a lot more than the falcon. Rook is a great ship, but for some reason people don't understand it. Its a great close range brawler. Unlike the falcon, the rook is very able to deal decent damage (400 dps), fit a strong tank, a prop mod, and still have room for jamms.
Alright, may be that was a bit of exaggeration, but the point remains. Falcons are seen more often, while it should be right the reverse - a niche cloaky ship versus a general combat-oriented non-cloaked one. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
DUBLYUR
Waagh Ltd. Bright Side of Death
7
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Posted - 2012.03.02 13:16:00 -
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+1like |
Josef Stylin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:06:00 -
[217] - Quote
+1 |
Omnicide Incarnate
Appetite 4 Destruction
10
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:59:00 -
[218] - Quote
Votin for this guy |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
609
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Posted - 2012.03.06 01:32:00 -
[219] - Quote
Alright, I've never been a fan of wasting my breath over multiple interviews to get as much coverage as possible etc. Having English as a second language doesn't help either.
So I'd better draw your attention to what I'm doing rather than saying.
Here it is, a new movie of mine.
You can not make a proper judgement without having it seen! Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Laktos
Gunpoint Diplomacy
83
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:53:00 -
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Having read most of this thread and all the flaming and name-calling that has been going on, I feel I need to say something as somebody who has never spoken to nor has any affiliation with Fon.
Those espousing tolerance need to remember that a tolerant society is one that tolerates those that are intolerant as well. Whether Fon has intolerant views in regards to issues of race in the real world is something that is not proven or disproven and frankly is totally irrelevant to the CSM process.
Online we are simply people or video game players. In real life, race may play an important and defining role in our society and identity (defining our history, our language, where we are born, our social circles and the values we inherit and develop to name but a few). But here, in EVE, whether we are black, white, asian etc is fairly irrelevant unless we choose to make it an issue.
So far, I have not seen Fon bring up real-life race in any discussion on game mechanics or changes. Rather he has made quite a decent attempt at ignoring the topic of accusations of racism and trying to maintain focus on relevant gameplay issues.
What I have seen is a frenzied attempt by some people to bring up the topic of racism and try to make it the defining subject of the thread against Fon's will. This sort of behaviour from outside forces could easily be interpreted as a purposeful attempt to derail Fon's campaign.
If you really feel the need to come onto a game forum and a thread that is specifically about game issues, and throw accusations of racism and intolerance at someone then perhaps first you should look closely at how tolerant you yourself are. Not just of people with different skin colour, but of people who have different opinions, beliefs and ideologies other than your own.
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Now, back on topic. Regardless of your own personal political ideologies, I agree with most of your proposals about EVE and I believe from watching your many videos and reading your comments on PvP, that you will be a force for good for the solo and small gang pvper should you get on the CSM.
So you've got my vote :)
Latest PVP Video: Laktos Intolerance 2
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Eugen Kidd
True Elks Stain Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.03.07 08:12:00 -
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+3 from me |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
438
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:41:00 -
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I know this is your candidacy thread, so won't argue your opinions too much, and let's first say this - Every post I ever seen by you Fon, has been backed by solid argumentation, experience and constructive ideas. I personally happen to love the kind of warfare you usually do too, which is nice to see.
So in terms of the points you bring up: 1) Rigs, buffer vs active tanking, overused modules, electronic warfare, cruise missiles, low sec - couldn't agree more, spot on.
2) Cyno (and black ops, as you mentioned it) - originally you were invulnerable when you put up cyno, just fyi as you mentioned it hadn't been changed. But yeah, there's zero scaling on cyno as you mention. As for cov ops cyno, I agree it needs no buff, that it goes past cyno jams, isn't visible on overview unless on grid, 30sec duration etc.. it's all quite strong already. Black Ops themselves are also not bad, when you can deploy them. It's more an issue of actually getting there, which is range-/fuel-issues. That couldn't be buffed too much either as it'd make them, like you say, too powerful/overused. But it could use a slight tweak here, maybe just increase the fuel bay tbh. I think you're on the right track.
3) Combat vs Force Recons - Yah, they are differnt ships. No, don't reduce range on Rapier and Arazu, and yeah Rook needs some little edge over the Falcon (it is a decent solo multi-boat tho, while the Falcon is more racial and group boat, so I'm not completely agreeing with you that it's all that bad). Actually maybe give the Rook a bit ability to deal small amount of more damage? Rapiers and Arazu are made of paper tho, that range is the only survability they have. If you try to deploy 2-3 ships and one is an Arazu or Rapier, you usually need 20km+. Take away the range bonus on them both and what do they have going for them? Curse and Pilgrim comparison is good tho. They are both very potent ships, just used in different scenarios. I almost-agree with you on the recons.
4) Supers and capitals - I agree with more or less all you said here. I think the easy solution to avoid these kind of nightmare scenarios is simply to never ever add more capitals. At all. Just purely focus on subcaps (and new skills related to them). A bigger variety of tactic, more options for younger players while same time fielding similar size as older, etc. I can only see benefits with this.
5) Highsec - It's not 'fine' that some players sit hoarding tens of billions per month in highsec, never spend it and never puts at big risks. This skews the economy, and as someone who studied economy this is something I'm quite worried over. In fact, doomsday scenario: it might very well kill EVE, and real quick, when it does. People who have small risks should have small reward, if not from a PvP point of view, but if anything, this is crucial for the games survival.
6) You did not mention this, and I feel like a stuck tape recorder, posting it everywhere but - cloaks. What is your opinion on them? Fine as is? AFK-cloaking, fuel, submarine, etc? Here's why I ask: I play in null, have no blobs, either alone or I bring a friend vs.. well everyone that is around. In lowsec I would never fit a cloak, but in null, sometimes I stay for extended periods, and I very, very VERY often get camped by dictor blobs on gates, with combat probers in local. The cloak is my bread and butter to be able to survive. And while I'd be happy to purely fly ships with cov ops cloaks, 250 dps x1-2 is not enough to break most ratters. Generally we use 1 cov ops ship with 1 non-cov ops, but cloaked. Defenders have everything at their disposal: local, probers, numbers, intel, stations, POS/infrastructure, jumpbridges, dscan, etc. Our only real edge, now that nano days are gone (and consider we stick around) is cloaks. Our targets generally die to igno- or arrogance. If we try log we get combat probed and die while offline, so many times, we are forced to 'sit out' hostiles, occationally for days. We don't mind, but considering all negatives already with the cloaks (lock time, sensor strength, -1 high, visible when warping/logging/moving etc), all potential changes from the AFK-cloak whiners will unfortunately completely break the game for us. Thoughts?
All in all I barely see much negatives at all with your candidacy, bar the Rapier (especially) and Arazu range nerf wishes. this is a signature |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
623
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Posted - 2012.03.07 10:00:00 -
[223] - Quote
Thanks for the post.
Misanth wrote: 6) You did not mention this, and I feel like a stuck tape recorder, posting it everywhere but - cloaks. What is your opinion on them? Fine as is? AFK-cloaking, fuel, submarine, etc? Here's why I ask: I play in null, have no blobs, either alone or I bring a friend vs.. well everyone that is around. In lowsec I would never fit a cloak, but in null, sometimes I stay for extended periods, and I very, very VERY often get camped by dictor blobs on gates, with combat probers in local. The cloak is my bread and butter to be able to survive. And while I'd be happy to purely fly ships with cov ops cloaks, 250 dps x1-2 is not enough to break most ratters. Generally we use 1 cov ops ship with 1 non-cov ops, but cloaked. Defenders have everything at their disposal: local, probers, numbers, intel, stations, POS/infrastructure, jumpbridges, dscan, etc. Our only real edge, now that nano days are gone (and consider we stick around) is cloaks. Our targets generally die to igno- or arrogance. If we try log we get combat probed and die while offline, so many times, we are forced to 'sit out' hostiles, occationally for days. We don't mind, but considering all negatives already with the cloaks (lock time, sensor strength, -1 high, visible when warping/logging/moving etc), all potential changes from the AFK-cloak whiners will unfortunately completely break the game for us. Thoughts?
All in all I barely see much negatives at all with your candidacy, bar the Rapier (especially) and Arazu range nerf wishes.
I'll start with Rapier/Arazu. It's desirable to reduce their range bonuses instead of removing them altogether, which is something I didn't really propose in the first place. Even with half a bonus their web/scram range will still be insane or at least will provide them an edge in this regard.
As for cloaking mechanics - that's a very tough call. You stated valid arguments. On top of that, cloaks are the reason why I, for instance, literally hate w-space PvP - there's just no way to figure out whether something is there.
Instead - yet again, merely an idea - how about cloaking providing just a "physical" cover, leaving the others an intel that something is hiding in the grid, the vicinity or even the system? Also, I'm pretty sure the entire cloaking problem is closely tied up with local chat. Which in turn is said to be addressed. So I'd rather wait and see how they gonna change it. And then we'll adjust accordingly, both in terms of tactics and opinions on further required steps. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
439
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:22:00 -
[224] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:I'll start with Rapier/Arazu. It's desirable to reduce their range bonuses instead of removing them altogether, which is something I didn't really propose in the first place. Even with half a bonus their web/scram range will still be insane or at least will provide them an edge in this regard.
As for cloaking mechanics - that's a very tough call. You stated valid arguments. On top of that, cloaks are the reason why I, for instance, literally hate w-space PvP - there's just no way to figure out whether something is there.
Instead - yet again, merely an idea - how about cloaking providing just a "physical" cover, leaving the others an intel that something is hiding in the grid, the vicinity or even the system? Also, I'm pretty sure the entire cloaking problem is closely tied up with local chat. Which in turn is said to be addressed. So I'd rather wait and see how they gonna change it. And then we'll adjust accordingly, both in terms of tactics and opinions on further required steps.
Cheers for reply;
Not sure I agree with you on the recons, but judging by your vids for example, they do cause alot more issues in that scale fighting then I ever have to worry about. Generally I'd use them defensively, rather than in a blob-offense. In those situations, I want range! Haha. I'm more inclined to agree with Arazu having their range reduced, they still have the damps going for them, Rapier with "short" range webs will be 'meh' at most. Bit sad, I think that's the ship I have most kills in bar Sabre, but if it'd lose as much as 50% range I'd stop fly it completely. Might as well go overheated faction web on any-ship then. I bet we both view them from different sides of the field tho. And bear in mind I don't do 5man+ fleets even.
I can see your point regarding WH space, even tho personally I feel it's actually the most "true" EVE PvP nowadays. It's more tactics involved, no risk of cyno hotdrops/bridges, limited amount of pilots, etc. But yes, it's very much about controlling the space pre-fight even, perhaps staying in system for a good while. For fast-paced PvP this isn't ideal. But we could/should/would leave that for low-, and roaming non-spaceholding null, don't you think? And the interesting follow-up question, especially with your local comment: then, what if local was gone? Obviously that might risk ruining alot of the kind of PvP you want to do now?
Oh and; damn you for the armor Mach/shield Vindi/Bhaal.. I been wanting to do them for so long, been playing with those fits in EFT for ages, even started to fit the ships but hadn't had the "time" (balls) to try it yet. Jeleous! Haha. Am surprised we don't see more armor Machs or shield Bhaals tho, it's not like it's never been done before, and they're both begging to be fit that way imho. Possibly tossing some votes your direction, good luck. this is a signature |
VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:14:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Thanks, Val, though that very Mach was among my least successful ships and I don't see how any of 15 participants of that fight could have used any specific tactics to bring it down. It was all over in like 60 seconds at most Anyhow, you win some, you lose some, so see you around!
i'll just say I know a guy who knows a guy that might have a booster loki that's fit a lot like how a certain butler that follows you around fits his. That long point scrambler was the only way we could think to bring you down. Anyway, votes in. Good luck. |
Arbiter Reformed
Saiph Industries SRS.
44
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:37:00 -
[226] - Quote
sent an alliance mail out but there all lazy
but ive already voted for you anyway,
NIGHTHAWK BUFF NAOW |
Josef Stylin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:23:00 -
[227] - Quote
Nighthawk BUFF? You know that the nighthawk can currently pretty much 1-shot frigates with HMs due to its explosion radius? |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
633
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:51:00 -
[228] - Quote
Yeah. I don't think that it's NH alone that needs some general buff (other than evident PG issue). The whole CS class is lacking and as I wrote somewhere in this thread I'd rather wait and see what CCP are going to do before making any suggestions. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
169
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:59:00 -
[229] - Quote
Read the complete Platform here: http://www.eve-online-dark-taboo.com/vote/
If you want your vote to count just once in EVE vote for PsychoBitch.
Sick of CCP devs and their hair-brained, half-baked, blue-balled ideas?
Sick of self-important fat puds and frail half-elves on the CSM?
Sick of things in eve that should have been fixed A G E S ago not being fixed
and new errors being introduced daily?
Make your one vote count finally, vote for PsychoBitch!
If you are voting for someone who has been in the CSM before - you have wasted
your vote on F A I L
Don't be a failure, be a hero. Vote for PsychoBitch now!
Campaign Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnOZAEbk7r0
If you don't drink whiskey - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE If you don't like having sex with women - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE If you don't live life on your own terms - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IN LIFE - ANYTHING WRITTEN BELOW IGNORE
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LXTC-S Predator
Cult of the Black Goat Dark Taboo
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:34:00 -
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Cant underline enough that even though Revedhorts claims and ideas are nice, but after watching his videos i have to say my vote is NOT going to someone who with his music choice for videos alone is spitting on the graves and lives of thousands of people. If you dont want to vote for a facist neo-**** dont vote for Fon! (For anyone wondering, one example would be the band Sleipnir which he uses in his newest video, which has many albums banned in Germany for denying the holocaust and **** hatemongering)
PS: If you think the political ideas of a person dont matter in a video game, you are wrong. Voting someone into a representative role who openely denies democratic values is just plain stupid. You would not want a **** to be headmaster at your local school even if he promises to keep his opinions to himself. And in this case through his videos Fon actually spreads his facist ideas.
Ich kann nicht genug zum Ausdruck bringen, dass ich die ideen und Ausf++hrungen von Revedhort gut finde, aber nachdem ich seine Videos gesehen habe muss ich leider sagen, dass meine Stimme NICHT an jemanden gehen wird der alleine mit seiner Musikwahl in den Videos auf die Gr+ñber und Leben von tausenden Menschen spuckt. Wenn du nicht fpr einen faschistischen Neonazi abstimmen willst, dann stimme gegen Fon! (F++r diejenigen die sich fragen wass ich meine, ein Beispiel ist die Band Sleipnir welche er in seinen Videos benutzt und welche in Deutschland mehrer indizierte Alben haben wegen Holocaustleugnung und Volksverhetzung)
PS: Wenn du denkst dass die politische Einstellung einer Person in einem Computerspiel keine Rolle spielt dann liegst du falsch. Jemanden in eine Abgesandtenrolle w+ñhlen der offen demokratische Grundwerte verneint ist einfach dumm. Ihr w++rdet auch keinen Schulleiter an der Schule eurer Kinder haben der ein **** ist, selbst wenn er verspricht seine Einstellung f++r sich zu behalten. Und in diesem Fall verbreitet Fon sogar seine rechtsradikale Propagande durch seine Videos. |
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
633
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:40:00 -
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LXTC-S Predator wrote:Cant underline enough that even though Revedhorts claims and ideas are nice, but after watching his videos i have to say my vote is NOT going to someone who with his music choice.
Omg, that's clearly a pharisee attack here, huh
Did you like my movies, btw? Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
LXTC-S Predator
Cult of the Black Goat Dark Taboo
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:48:00 -
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Nice work there cutting the quote so that it looks like i dont like your taste in music, also trying to get the post of the page and changing the subject, but small minded people like you, who try to compensate their miserable lifes by putting themselves above other people, not through accomplishment but heritage have stopped to be worthwhile a rational discussion a long time ago.
PS: The pvp in the movies is great if you turn of the racist hate that is spewn at you while watching them.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
633
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:02:00 -
[233] - Quote
Nice work there at producing a bunch of perversions and personal attacks.
Pharisees stopped to be worth having a discussion with eons ago, back in the ancient world. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
48
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Posted - 2012.03.08 11:23:00 -
[234] - Quote
All righty, wall of text incoming.
First off, I have to say, with the amount of self righteous bullshit being spouted in this thread props to you Fon for keeping your head on straight. Fon's political views, or hell, anything about his personal life IRL are not our concern. He's running for CSM, not the Kremlin. As long as his head is in the game that's all we need to know.
For the most part I agree with your points, but there are a few i disagree on and a couple that I think you're on the right track but could use some tweaking.
1) Completely agree
2) Rather than blanketing all buffer tanking modules with a -speed penalty I would rather see something unique to each type of tanking. Armour plates are fine I think, the only problem with them I see is that trimarks are not stacking penalised. However the penalties on shield mods are a joke. But on the other hand, as most native shield tanking ships are quite slow (Especially caldrari), applying the same speed penalty from mods and rigs would not be the right course of action, I feel. I'd much rather see something like -% shield recharge as the shield rig/module penalty to put an end to ridiculous, skill free, capacitor free passive shield tanking. If you want to stack recharge that's fine, but having monstrous recharge AND a very large buffer is frankly ridiculous.
On the other hand for active tanking I believe that there are a few tweaks required here too, not in repair amount but in fitting requirements. Notably those of LARs and XLSBs. These modules take much too much powergrid and CPU respectively, and gimp the ship fitting them rather severely in terms of weapon options (In most cases).
3) I like where you are going with this idea, but unfortunately I think from a code perspective having a cyno become dynamic to how many ships are on grid would be too difficult and CCP would not implement it. What I'd rather see is a blanket delay on non covert cynos, of what timefram I can't really say, so that dropping a cyno and calling in the cap(s) is actually a tactical decision and not a 'press button, get cap support' mechanic.
4) I agree that tracking enhancers are a bit too good for what they are, however I do think that the TE change, because it removed HMLs as being the be all and end all of medium range combat, did some good. However would you just be pushing for a faloff nerf or optimal as well? because as far as I can tell the use of TEs and TCs seems to be relatively evenly split between ACs and Pulse lasers, so I don't think I would support nerfing the faloff without also nerfing the optimal bonus. (This is taking into account that ACs require more faloff bonus to get the same range:damage ratio benefit that lasers get from optimal).
The second part of this point seems to counteract the previous point about wanting to stealth buff gallente. If DCUs were to be nerfed, gallente ships would suffer the most, especially the active tanking variety, as they generally rely on their high structure EHP to give them some leeway in between rep cycles. In addition, a significant nerf to DCUs would break frigate combat, as currently a DCU is the primary reason a frigate will survive running a gatecamp or any other encounter vs multiple ships. Again this applies most to gallente frigates.
5) I agree with your points here, however, if other CSM members were to push for a complete rework of ECM from the ground up, would you support it? What would you like to see ECM reworked as if this was the case?
6) I very much agree with this sentiment, that there should be more definition between the non amarr recons than there currently is. There should be consequences for being covert. Also, while on the topic of covert ships, what is your stance on covert interdiction nullified T3s? Should T3 ships be able to fit both of these subsystems at the same time?
7) I won't make a comment here as I don't really know much about capitals, having never flown one myself.
8) Agreed.
9) Very much agreed. I would love to see cruise missiles get some love.
10) Again, I won't say much, as the topiv of reworking lowsec is much unlike reworking a ship or a module, it is a massive entity in itself, and would require significant work and testing for any 'fix'. Being someone who prominently PvPs in low-sec, how high on your priority list would low-sec be?
And a couple of other questions for you;
Do you believe CCP should discourage 'blobbing', or is it a part of the game that everyone should accept and move on?
What is your stance on T3 links? Being a regular user of them yourself, do you believe they are overpowered? Should they remain stronger than command ship links?
What would you most like to see iterated over the next year? My Latest Video: Freestyle II |
Kalea Cha-Ching
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:39:00 -
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Shiroi Okami wrote: Fon's political views, or hell, anything about his personal life IRL are not our concern. He's running for CSM, not the Kremlin. As long as his head is in the game that's all we need to know.
Because he is running for CSM, his political views are very important. THIS IS OF OUR CONCERN! If you vote for him, even if his eve topics are good, you supporting him also in rl with his views and opinions. I can never give such a person my vote. Never.
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
636
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:47:00 -
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Kalea Cha-Ching wrote:Shiroi Okami wrote: Fon's political views, or hell, anything about his personal life IRL are not our concern. He's running for CSM, not the Kremlin. As long as his head is in the game that's all we need to know.
Because he is running for CSM, his political views are very important. THIS IS OF OUR CONCERN! If you vote for him, even if his eve topics are good, you supporting him also in rl with his views and opinions. I can never give such a person my vote. Never. Don't vote for me then. There's no need in making declarations on you never voting someone left and right, don't fool yourself by thinking your opinion is that important to public. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Kalea Cha-Ching
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:51:00 -
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it is important when it comes to mobilize people to not vote for someone with your views about politics and people. |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
635
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:57:00 -
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By all means, do it.
The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about - Oscar Wilde Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
635
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Posted - 2012.03.08 19:16:00 -
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Shiroi Okami wrote: *snip*
2) Shield recharge being boosted along with buffer is an issue, too. I agree. As for not making tanking types similar in terms of penalties, I'd say it's possible to make shield tanking have more impact on agility rather than speed, and vice versa for armor. Or something. Also, as said, I'm fine with introducing other penalties, but they should be of proper significance. I'd say that 10% decrease in speed may be probably comparable with at least 30% increase in signature radius. Just like improving DPS by 10% doesn't even come close to, say, 10% increase in targeting range.
3) Cynoes and dynamic spool-up timers. Yeah, maybe that's indeed a bit complicated, but that's something CCP should tell us. And they can even come up with an entirely different ideas to balance it out. We will see.
4) Post-dominion TEs benefit minmatar more than the others, that's something I'm absolutely sure. There's no need to reduce optimal range bonus and the nature of falloff has nothing to do with it. Because, as said, corresponding implants/rigs all boost optimal and falloff equally - by 3, 5, 15 or 20% either for optimal or for falloff. Should we assume TEs are fine as is, then we'll also have to admit tech2 abmit extension rigs should boost falloff by whopping 40% instead of current 20.
I have little to non experience with frigs, but at higher classes DC is way too good and I, for one, use it all the time. And - that's extremely important - unlike MWD it's a no-brainy module. One drops it in, activates and pretty much forgets about it. While MWD requires a lot of efforts to be utilized for the full benefit. Maybe it might make sense to reintroduce DC as a real damage controlling module, which can be activated only for a limited amount of time and then require some cooling. I don't know. I just smell things aren't right at the moment.
5) My views on ECM are very flexible actually. The stuff I propose just allows to fix it preserving current ECM mechanics in general. Should they want to overhaul it altogether, I would be fine with that as well. I've got no personal preferences on what exactly they'd need to turn it into, though.
6) Covert tech3 with nullifiers. Just like with titans and portals, I absolutely hate the idea something is balanced 'because only X can use it'. That's bullcrap. I would love to see interdiction nullifiers re-introduced as a MODULE, which surely will make it extremely popular. Then we will see how 'balanced' this crap is. It may even take 2 slots to fit such a module, it may have some penalties - I don't care. Just let other ships use it, too - and you'll quickly receive objective statistics.
10) low-sec priority over other things. As I state at http://match.eve-csm.com, fixing low-sec is one of the most pressing issues EVE faces today.
Blobbing should be discouraged somehow, that's for sure. Unfortunately, I don't have any straight ideas on how that can be done within current mechanics, where guns have no dispersion for their shells, where line of fire is non-existent and where it's possible to shoot missiles right through asteroids. This leaves us with AoE weapons and some minor tweaks as possible ways of discouraging blobbing.
Tech3 ships are overpowered in general and it's particularly evident in case of gang-boosting setups. After I got a Loki, I used my old Claymore may be once or twice, when I had to grab a ship to go PvP quickly and Lokies were not available. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
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ISD Grossvogel
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:06:00 -
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ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
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Posted - 2012.03.09 10:51:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:TFirish3 wrote:So your platform is based on the nerf bat then? My platform is based on justice and appropriateness. If it's a nerf here and there, I'm fine with it. Some stuff is to be boosted. It's always a matter of choosing the shortest path. So would you say your platform is focused on implementing a final solution to game balance? That kind of heavy-handed approach is out of mein kampfort zone. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
257
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Posted - 2012.03.09 14:00:00 -
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CCP, stop trying to cover up the fact that Fon Revedhort is a white supremacist. People have a right to know if they are voting for someone who hates their race. I'm looking at you, CCP Phantom. |
Venus TechCat
TransStellar Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.11 11:12:00 -
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+1 |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.12 10:12:00 -
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I don't understand why the moderators are removing all references to this candidates self-professed (on eve related forums no less) political views as somehow unrelated to their running for political office in game.
Surely his debate style and his political views are EXTREMELY relevant to how well he will work with the other members of the CSM.
PS: Op is a historical revisionist known to deny the Minmatar massacres and death camps of 201942-201945 by Amarr bloodline purists after the invasion of the outer Minmatar regions. But in RL. |
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
428
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:48:00 -
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alleged minmatar massacres, alleged. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:12:00 -
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The tree of this candidacy bears a strange fruit. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:48:00 -
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Germany didnt invade poland they were inviting them over for a party |
John 2557
Cell Corporation Sexy Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:15:00 -
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+1 wish dring more fun thing come. |
Josef Stylin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:40:00 -
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I'm Josef Stylin and I endorse this candidate, and you should do. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
496
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Posted - 2012.03.16 04:21:00 -
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Josef Stylin wrote:I'm Josef Stylin and I endorse this candidate, and you should do.
I am sure that if Adolf were still around, he would too. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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Lanu
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2012.03.17 02:21:00 -
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Voted with the main and some alts ;) |
XATTAB
Monks of War DarkSide.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:18:00 -
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+1 wish you good luck, Fon! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2835
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:52:00 -
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racism and neo-naziism aren't "political views" fyi they are character flaws |
AntonioPrime
Sacred Soldiers Sacred Fire Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:52:00 -
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+1 Good luck, Fon |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2861
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Posted - 2012.03.20 20:54:00 -
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your final chance to vote for an eve final solution! |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:33:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:your final chance to vote for an eve final solution!
He's definitely the reich candidate for me! |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:37:00 -
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I hope he wins, I heard he's planning to have his inauguration party on top of Stone Mountain! |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
534
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Posted - 2012.03.23 22:57:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:I hope he wins, I heard he's planning to have his inauguration party on top of Stone Mountain!
Pray tell how he will deal with all those people out there of different ethnicity, skin color, religion and culture! I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
661
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Posted - 2012.03.23 23:02:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Snow Axe wrote:I hope he wins, I heard he's planning to have his inauguration party on top of Stone Mountain! Pray tell how he will deal with all those people out there of different ethnicity, skin color, religion and culture! You'd better ask some other CSM members (i won't mention their names) how they will deal with someone of diffrenent views.
Oh, wait - they've showed their utter inability. Still, I think CSM members is general are quite cool gents and will be able to remain focused. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
535
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Posted - 2012.03.23 23:18:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Alpheias wrote:Snow Axe wrote:I hope he wins, I heard he's planning to have his inauguration party on top of Stone Mountain! Pray tell how he will deal with all those people out there of different ethnicity, skin color, religion and culture! You'd better ask some other CSM members (i won't mention their names) how they will deal with someone of diffrenent views. Oh, wait - they've showed their utter inability. Still, I think CSM members is general are quite cool gents and will be able to remain focused.
I think you are confusing views concerning to the game and with how they view people from different countries, cultures and so forth and AFAIK, none of them share your "brown shirt" views.
I'll admit, I think it is a great shame that this little detail about you got known (though I am thankful it did) because I think you have very good points and I would have voted for you if you had proved to be a decent person. But I, as a human being, your views on people with a different religion or skin color than yours simply disgusts me related to the game or not.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
661
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:12:00 -
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Yet another pharisee.
Jesus, this world is really really fubar. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
535
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:18:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Jesus, this world is really really fubar.
Funny that you should say that, considering that brown shirts like you hate people with different skin color, different beliefs and from different cultures for all kinds of wrong and illogical reasons.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
661
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:28:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Jesus, this world is really really fubar. Funny that you should say that, considering that brown shirts like you hate people with different skin color, different beliefs and from different cultures for all kinds of wrong and illogical reasons. You have no clue what you're talking about. Long story short, you're a plain liar.
I've always 'enjoyed' how you pharisees understand things like freedom of speech - somehow you suppose that people are allowed to express things that you personally have approval of.
Also, not voting for me because of not sharing my views (you know nothing of them to begin with, but still) is like discarding a cook on grounds of him being a communist.
You're a perfect sample of how democracy is a crappy idea and will hardly ever work, since there are always easily manipulated men around, who mess it all and discard related stuff to make their pick based something on unrelated instead. Fon Revedhort for CSM 7 |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:33:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Snow Axe wrote:I hope he wins, I heard he's planning to have his inauguration party on top of Stone Mountain! Pray tell how he will deal with all those people out there of different ethnicity, skin color, religion and culture!
Timber, gasoline, bedsheets. Not necessarily in that order. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
535
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Posted - 2012.03.24 02:28:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Alpheias wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Jesus, this world is really really fubar. Funny that you should say that, considering that brown shirts like you hate people with different skin color, different beliefs and from different cultures for all kinds of wrong and illogical reasons. You have no clue what you're talking about. Long story short, you're a plain liar. I've always 'enjoyed' how you pharisees understand things like freedom of speech - somehow you suppose that people are allowed to express things that you personally have approval of.
I enjoy free speech and I would violently defend everyone's right to free speech, even yours. However I disagree with your views on people of different ethic groups and different cultures. I also enjoy the attempts of the batsh*t insane rationalize the irrationality (like facists) going on inside their heads because they make me laugh.
Fon Revedhort wrote:Also, not voting for me because of not sharing my views (you know nothing of them to begin with, but still) is like discarding a cook on grounds of him being a communist.
You're a perfect sample of how democracy is a crappy idea and will hardly ever work, since there are always easily manipulated men around, who mess it all and discard related stuff to make their pick based on something unrelated instead.
So you are mad and hurt because I made the choice to not vote for you and encourage my friends to do the same, because your RL political views violently clashes with most of us? Must suck to be you, I guess.
Oh, and you pretty much become a official person if you are elected so your RL views does matter. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:32:00 -
[266] - Quote
Fon Revedhort wrote:
You're a perfect sample of how democracy is a crappy idea and will hardly ever work, since there are always easily manipulated men around, who mess it all and discard related stuff to make their pick based on something unrelated instead.
I'd say your failed candidacy is a perfect example of how democracy is a pretty good idea. You got even fewer votes than Riverini. Good riddance to you, racist garbage. |
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