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Hauleralt0002
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Posted - 2008.01.14 06:43:00 -
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For any real pvp you need a MWD- Are smartbombs also becoming this?
The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones
/discuss
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hauleralt0002 For any real pvp you need a MWD- Are smartbombs also becoming this?
The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones
/discuss
Drones are easy enough to destroy without smartbombs. Especially if you have a web.
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Ask Unbeatable
Tenacious Danes
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Posted - 2008.01.14 07:02:00 -
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I see a lot of people fitting smartbombs or neuts instead of nos on leftover highslot (ie tempest), but I personally haven't tried it. (No cpu left on gankmega and all slots has guns on domi/hyp.)
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.14 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 14/01/2008 06:56:49
Originally by: Hauleralt0002 For any real pvp you need a MWD- Are smartbombs also becoming this?
The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones
/discuss
Drones are very easy to destroy without smartbombs. Especially if you have a web.
No they are not. You try to pop ecm drones while you get perma jammed by them... ecm drones need a serious nerf. ---------------------------------------------
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.14 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hauleralt0002 For any real pvp you need a MWD- Are smartbombs also becoming this?
The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones
/discuss
Yes if youre solo or small gang SB is good against the horde of ecm drones youll be facing. ---------------------------------------------
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.01.14 07:47:00 -
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Edited by: goodby4u on 14/01/2008 07:47:32
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 14/01/2008 06:56:49
Originally by: Hauleralt0002 For any real pvp you need a MWD- Are smartbombs also becoming this?
The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones
/discuss
Drones are very easy to destroy without smartbombs. Especially if you have a web.
No they are not. You try to pop ecm drones while you get perma jammed by them... ecm drones need a serious nerf.
They have limited range,and take away a couple hundred dps to keep people jammed sometimes...THEY DONT NEED A NERF.-heavy vs heavy that is. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected]) |
Virgil Aquilis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 07:56:00 -
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That said, the assertion that a BS with a web is just as good as a BS with a smartbomb at killing drones is completely absurd. A smartbomb is a very good choice for an empty high slot. A neut is also nice.
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Ararius
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.01.14 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ararius on 14/01/2008 07:58:53 2008.01.12 09:29:00
Victim: xxxxxxx Alliance: xxxxxxx Corp: xxxxxxx Destroyed: Maelstrom System: Haajinen Security: 0.8 Damage Taken: 35959
Involved parties:
Name: xxxxxxxx(laid the final blow) Security: 5.0 Alliance: NONE Corp: xxxxxxxxx Ship: Ishtar Weapon: Wasp II Damage Done: 13362
Name: CONCORD Police Captain / CONCORD Damage Done: 13017
Name: Caldari Sentry Gun II / Caldari Navy Damage Done: 8039
Name: Ararius Security: -1.5 Alliance: NONE Corp: Earned In Blood Ship: Hurricane Weapon: Hurricane Damage Done: 1541
Destroyed items:
Invulnerability Field II X-Large Shield Booster II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Qty: 3 Republic Fleet EMP L, Qty: 136 Photon Scattering Field II Hammerhead II, Qty: 5 (Drone Bay) Semiconductor Memory Cell I, Qty: 2 Vespa EC-600, Qty: 4 (Cargo) Power Diagnostic System II, Qty: 2 Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead II, Qty: 4 (Cargo) Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I LADAR Backup Array II Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Republic Fleet EMP L, Qty: 4519 (Cargo)
Dropped items:
Invulnerability Field II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Qty: 4 Republic Fleet EMP L, Qty: 102 Vespa EC-600 (Cargo) Power Diagnostic System II LADAR Backup Array II Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
Bolded the important part. . . .
And I wasn't at war with him
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 14/01/2008 06:56:49
Originally by: Hauleralt0002 For any real pvp you need a MWD- Are smartbombs also becoming this?
The drone nerf makes the smart bomb very powerful now as you can actually destory drones
/discuss
Drones are very easy to destroy without smartbombs. Especially if you have a web.
No they are not. You try to pop ecm drones while you get perma jammed by them... ecm drones need a serious nerf.
A lot of people say that, but I've tried using ecm drones and they never do anything.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Virgil Aquilis That said, the assertion that a BS with a web is just as good as a BS with a smartbomb at killing drones is completely absurd. A smartbomb is a very good choice for an empty high slot. A neut is also nice.
I agree for battleships, simply because they lock slowly and their smartbombs do a lot of damage. But with anything smaller I can lock the whole bunch and massacre them in no time.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2008.01.14 09:51:00 -
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ECM drones doesn't work properly... The user cannot identify a lock break like you can with a ECM module, but have to rely on seing the yellow brackets. Apart from that ECM drones is a big gamle... They are not all and everything. But certainly annoyingly dangerous.
Pinky - I'm a nice guy!!
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pinky Denmark ECM drones doesn't work properly... The user cannot identify a lock break like you can with a ECM module, but have to rely on seing the yellow brackets.
I know that, but every time I use them, they never jam. The ship I use them on keeps me locked and keeps firing through the whole thing (never used heavy ECM drones though, only lights and mediums).
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:27:00 -
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Don't worry - It's the same for me :) But they always seem to work well for my oponents from time to time - I'm a nice guy!!
But hook me up with some pew pew, because I'm really bored... |
Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:30:00 -
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I still want to know if you can "speed up" ECM drone jam cycles by constantly scooping and redeploying them. It would seem really strong if you load ECM drones into a close-range gank ship like the Thorax and then get 5-sec jam cycles instead of 20-sec by just scooping and redeploying constantly.
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Pinky Denmark ECM drones doesn't work properly... The user cannot identify a lock break like you can with a ECM module, but have to rely on seing the yellow brackets.
I know that, but every time I use them, they never jam. The ship I use them on keeps me locked and keeps firing through the whole thing (never used heavy ECM drones though, only lights and mediums).
Mediums are the most "cost effective" if you consider cost effectiveness in terms of m3 of drone space.
Heavy ECM drones are pretty balanced, mediums and lights are overpowered.
As for you, sometimes its just bad luck.
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal I still want to know if you can "speed up" ECM drone jam cycles by constantly scooping and redeploying them. It would seem really strong if you load ECM drones into a close-range gank ship like the Thorax and then get 5-sec jam cycles instead of 20-sec by just scooping and redeploying constantly.
Yes, its borderline exploiting though.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Xequecal I still want to know if you can "speed up" ECM drone jam cycles by constantly scooping and redeploying them. It would seem really strong if you load ECM drones into a close-range gank ship like the Thorax and then get 5-sec jam cycles instead of 20-sec by just scooping and redeploying constantly.
Yes, its borderline exploiting though.
Hrm, interesting......that might mean the Pilgrim is actually useable. Fit some RSDs with sensor strength scrips, decloak at 3km, scoop/redeploy ECM drones to get them jammed, then go to town with DPS drones. Repeat the process two minutes later when they finally get you locked.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 14/01/2008 13:56:04
Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Xequecal I still want to know if you can "speed up" ECM drone jam cycles by constantly scooping and redeploying them. It would seem really strong if you load ECM drones into a close-range gank ship like the Thorax and then get 5-sec jam cycles instead of 20-sec by just scooping and redeploying constantly.
Yes, its borderline exploiting though.
Hrm, interesting......that might mean the Pilgrim is actually useable. Fit some RSDs with sensor strength scrips, decloak at 3km, scoop/redeploy ECM drones to get them jammed, then go to town with DPS drones. Repeat the process two minutes later when they finally get you locked.
Good idea tbh, but as soon as an exploit is use for the amarr race ccp will be fast in nerfing it. Other exploits they sure arent in a hurry to fix. ---------------------------------------------
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:07:00 -
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Large smartbombs are great to kill pods , but you need at least 2. Can work on a tempest , not so much on a mega.
As long as you can kill drones with torps , they're fairly redundant in combat. The fact that most drone boats use nos/neuts removes their best use. Maybe useful against a T1 frigate gang.
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 14/01/2008 13:56:04
Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Xequecal I still want to know if you can "speed up" ECM drone jam cycles by constantly scooping and redeploying them. It would seem really strong if you load ECM drones into a close-range gank ship like the Thorax and then get 5-sec jam cycles instead of 20-sec by just scooping and redeploying constantly.
Yes, its borderline exploiting though.
Hrm, interesting......that might mean the Pilgrim is actually useable. Fit some RSDs with sensor strength scrips, decloak at 3km, scoop/redeploy ECM drones to get them jammed, then go to town with DPS drones. Repeat the process two minutes later when they finally get you locked.
Good idea tbh, but as soon as an exploit is use for the amarr race ccp will be fast in nerfing it. Other exploits they sure arent in a hurry to fix.
Yep, you are absolutely right. There's an epic CCP conspiracy to nerf Amarr to such uselessness nobody will play them anymore. In fact, they're planning on just deleting all Amarrian characters because they are so absolutely useless. Just thought I'd give you a heads up so you can create an alt for one of the three surviving races.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov Maybe useful against a T1 frigate gang.
If a gang of frigates are stupid enough to get in smartbombing range on a battleship without knowing for a fact that it doesn't have any, they so deserve to die.
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