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Sunset Atrea Minmatar Sunset Asset Management	Posted - 2008.01.14 13:35:00 - [1] I am about to launch my first POS (yay!), but I have a few options and was looking for opinions on risk vs. reward. The two options open to me are: 1) High-Sec POS running Labs etc This pos would be used to research Blueprints for both sale and manufacturing purposes. The income will come from the BPC sales plus a little from manufacturing profit. I estimate I can easily cover the fuel costs of a small POS and make maybe 50 million per month profit per tower (if I have more than 1). 2) Low-Sec Mining POS I have found a moon worth approximately 250 Million per month at current prices. This translates to a monthly profit of 200 Million or so. The moon is 2 jumps into Lowsec, with no station, no ice field and I think 1 other tower in system (unsure if this is a good or bad sign ). I have monitored traffic for 2 weeks and I am convinced I can get fuel in and out regularly, as well as get my materials out without too much trouble. ---------- In the short term I think that the moon mining POS is the winner, because it's instant profit at a decent level for the work required. However, after a few months I could set up a second Highsec POS and double my income. I don't think i'd like to manage a few Lowsec POS's on my own, plus there are no other decent moons in my chosen system, and neighbouring systems are poor too which means a lot of travelling or using another alt. Are Lowsec mining POS's with it without security in place? Comments and feedback appreciated. ----------------------- CEO Sunset Asset Management
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.01.14 13:45:00 - [2] People have a bit of a sour taste in their mouths over lowsec POS's especially only a small one. It can be dropped in a dread in a very short time. Get your empire POS thing setup. Might not have as much income but it's good honest work in a less hostile (usually) environment. I started C-R-A with 1 single tower about 1.5 years ago, and now it's a 20b operation with 8 towers and over 650 clients. Profits aren't OMFGWTFBBQ but it's far less hassle imo. Good luck with whichever, I wouldn't think of investing in the lowsec one but if you get a good business plan up regarding the highsec one I would be happy to buy into some of your operation.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.14 13:47:00 - [3] can you defend your pos?? if not then what would you do if some random piwates try to ransom it or something.
Elena Lanfear Crafty Productions	Posted - 2008.01.14 13:51:00 - [4] Edited by: Elena Lanfear on 14/01/2008 13:52:49 I have done a fair amount of POS Moon Mining, most of the time completly alone. It IS possible, although its a lot of work. If you are sure that your system is relatively quiet, I would store one month of fuel there and create an alt for the sole purpose of refilling the POS. This will avoid the usual "OMG, my POS has only one hour fuel left and the route down there is heavily camped" situations. ;-) I would also recommend a "Throw Away Tower" with little to no defense, a Harvester, a Silo and a Corporate Hangar Array. Its a very cheap setup and with 250 million/month easy to get back in case of destruction. Good luck! -Elena Edit: Its clear that a Small POS has no chance against dreads. ;-) But as long as you survive at least 1 Month you will have your investment back.
Sunset Atrea Minmatar Sunset Asset Management	Posted - 2008.01.14 14:10:00 - [5] I have a throw-away tower ready for deployment with no defenses, and 2 weeks of fuel in the neighbouring system on standby. The Highsec security is appealing to me, and I could chuck up 3 towers to increase profits. I read about the IPO based on lowsec reactors, and that's what made my think I could be throwing my ISK away. The tower would be for my own personal use, so whilst the BPO's are researching I would have no income from the tower. It is unlikely that any pirates would bother to remove my POS, but as was said I would have my investment back after one month. Beyond that I am making a profit. I will probably chuck up a Highsec tower and see how that goes. Nice to have a place I could call home :) ----------------------- CEO Sunset Asset Management
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:40:00 - [6] As the operator of the EDINA chain I hope you have realy, I mean realy thought this through. Do not keep much in your silos, keep little bit's, if your neighbours want you dead - you die so minimise risk. Also your moon, is it worth having? If it is what stops me using my locator agent on your charecters and paying you a visit in my dread? Essentialy, train up an extra alt and keep it distanced from you, so noone puts you together with it. Be paranoid, you just declared you have a moon worth having, pirates do browse these forums and I will be damned if one of them dosen't have a post-it note with your name on it to scout out. Risk vs Reward is good, risk of losing everything within 36 hours at full strongt vs 26%/month returns if you allready have a Rorqual for fueling (yes, that would have been EDINA's monthly if I allreay had one). ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:00:00 - [7] How about you just don't try and offline all your towers at once with no backup? That's really what the biggest problem is -- putting the towers up is trivial compared to taking them down. I'd never recommend setting up in low sec if you aren't prepared to provide or hire security. If all you're interested in is mining one moon vs setting up a high sec research POS, I think the research POS wins pretty easily if you have the standings.
Raskor	Posted - 2008.01.17 03:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Myrdyr How about you just don't try and offline all your towers at once with no backup? That's really what the biggest problem is -- putting the towers up is trivial compared to taking them down. I'd never recommend setting up in low sec if you aren't prepared to provide or hire security. If all you're interested in is mining one moon vs setting up a high sec research POS, I think the research POS wins pretty easily if you have the standings. Pardon my ignorance, but what is the big deal with offlining a tower? Can't you offline the valuable modules one at a time while still protected by the shield, and then the tower last?
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.17 04:25:00 - [9] 50 mill / month for all the hassles of running a POS is NOT worth it. Not even close. It's a freaking hassle imo. Though if you're only making 50m from a POS you're doing something wrong. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:07:00 - [10] Originally by: Shadarle 50 mill / month for all the hassles of running a POS is NOT worth it. Not even close. It's a freaking hassle imo. Though if you're only making 50m from a POS you're doing something wrong. Agreeing with this, look up the reactions and either make the final product (what I did) or an intermediate from the mined materials. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Kayleigh Snow	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Shadarle 50 mill / month for all the hassles of running a POS is NOT worth it. Not even close. It's a freaking hassle imo. Though if you're only making 50m from a POS you're doing something wrong. Agreeing with this, look up the reactions and either make the final product (what I did) or an intermediate from the mined materials. (Alt of Sunset Atrea - can't be arsed changing accounts!) The 50 million was for the Highsec POS. I know I can make a lot more with reactions (both simple and complex) but that requires a tower in 0.3 space or below. The 50 million was a guesstimate based on how much I would use the tower, and how convenient it would be. I was going to chuck up a lab so I can research prints, and a Hangar in 0.5 space with no station. Okay I lose the security of remote lab work, but I gain the advantage in mineable minerals. It is less likely that miners will mine in a system with no station.
Orlenda Enterprise Shipyards Ltd.	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:18:00 - [12] I wouldn't recommend doing a low-sec mining POS without friends, or at least a group of people you can hire should the need for defense ever arise.

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