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Evaclyn	Posted - 2008.01.14 17:50:00 - [31] Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas your pathetic attempt to get even more traffic to my thread which has been overrun by nay-sayers and dream-crushers is disconcerting. i must ask, who is your main?? a question mark? I feel bad about aiding the derailing of this thread, but seeing as the bond was already filled, I'd like to point out how much irony there is that you're doing your 'thing' in this particular thread. Take a look at Benvie's response to every question asked in this thread. Every answer was straight forward, well reasoned and most importantly: professional. Despite the sarcasm and scrutiny from you, he was never defensive or accusatory. He answered your childishness with maturity, which boosted his presentation while at the same time making you look foolish. This demeanor, along with a good background is why he was able to fill a 10B bond at 8% in under 3 hours, while you can't even get 1B in 10 days, offering over 10%. It has nothing to do with the "regulars" bringing you down. They simply applied the pressure, and your reaction and response is what people judged you by. If you still want to run a successful IPO, I'd suggest you compare your first 5 answers in your thread with Benvie's first 5 answer in this thread, and learn from the differences between the two.

CCP Mitnal	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:15:00 - [32] Cleaned Please stay on-topic. Mitnal, Community Representative EVE Online CCP Games Email/Netfang

Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:16:00 - [33] I would like to note that if Benvie had tried to do a 20b+ IPO I may not have bought into it. He probably could have gotten 20b, but it would have been a bit suspicious since he hasn't finished off his first joint-ipo yet. 10b is clearly below what he could have gotten if he really wanted to, thus it makes me doubt it will end in scam. The 10b at 8% was a perfect number this time around for me. If either was higher it would have been suspicious imo. But at these numbers I believe Benvie is likely trustworthy enough for my money. Don't take this as an endorsement though as I'm not refunding anyones money if something goes wrong. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Tobin Shalim Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:35:00 - [34] if this is still open, i would like to reserve 10 shares (10 mil) as i'm at work right now, but will send isk when i get home. Originally by: Snowden Vel I like this thread because I'd almost forgotten what BoB sounds like in the throes of a completely narcissistic delusion. I am not affiliated with BoB or Goons.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:38:00 - [35] I'd put in anywhere from 50-100M if it were available, Gratz Benvie.
Dreysine Paratheoanametamystichood	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:56:00 - [36] put me down for 500mil if you want to open up a little more, or someone doesnt take their reservation.
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:22:00 - [37] Ok looks like we're sold out with some spare in case some reservations back out. You're welcome to post reservations here, but I doubt anyone else will be able to get shares. Tarash Awin is last with his reservation for 2b, though if everyone prior to him follows through he'll only get 250m worth. I have 1.1b of in-game reservations as well. I may have people who sent ISK, I'll have to do timeline check to see who got in under the buzzer.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:23:00 - [38] just accept the last orders and any requests after your final post would not be considered :P J/K!!! :)
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:29:00 - [39] Ok good, no one sent ISK who hadn't contacted me already. Assuming no one backs out, everyone up to who I said in my last post will get bonds, along with two people who contacted me in game.
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:32:00 - [40] Edited by: Benvie on 14/01/2008 20:33:50 Shares are ready to hand out. Those who reserved in this thread up to Tarash Awin can send ISK if/when they deem fit. Your reservations are good for 24 hours from now. If anyone decides to pull out I'll go down the list. If you've reserved shares and are beyond the limit either check this thread, or I'll contact you with an eve mail letting you know you're up to purchase the bonds. Edit: Tarash Awin you're eligible for 250m worth of bonds at the moment, not the full 2 bil.
Tobin Shalim Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:45:00 - [41] and so the rich get richer, while the rest of us that want to try to play the market gets screwed and locked out of any hope whatsoever. not fair to us newer players :( we don't have billions upon billions of isk to just throw at whatever IPO/bond comes out to buy it out. heck, 10 million for me to have attempted to invest into this venture (my first aside from EBANK and that only because they have an unlimited number of signups) is a significant chunk of change for me.
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:48:00 - [42] Edited by: Benvie on 14/01/2008 20:49:07 Well here's the thing. Bonds and most IPOs really aren't good for people at that level of wealth. It's only 8% per month. That's great if you have billions of ISK and are struggling to invest it all. But at 10m, 100m, or even a billion it's basically trivial to invest it in your own venture and make much much more than 8%. With 25b in assets I'm not personally happy in my ventures unless I'm getting 30-100% return per month. At 10m net worth I was doubling my investment in less than 2 days.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:55:00 - [43] Originally by: Tobin Shalim and so the rich get richer, while the rest of us that want to try to play the market gets screwed and locked out of any hope whatsoever. not fair to us newer players :( we don't have billions upon billions of isk to just throw at whatever IPO/bond comes out to buy it out. heck, 10 million for me to have attempted to invest into this venture (my first aside from EBANK and that only because they have an unlimited number of signups) is a significant chunk of change for me. It is fair, I wanted to invest in the RW google by then their shares had skyrocketed like crazy and they have done well you just have to be ON that boat when it arrives otherwise it will LEAVE and that boat will either get you to the next stop or it will SINK thats the risk investors take. Now, I agree with Benvie while higher amounts of ISK is better, I still disagree that even 100M is trivial. Sure the rate of return is much slower but every ISK counts. The more Billions you have beyond 1B is the best really.
Tobin Shalim Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:57:00 - [44] unfortunately though, i have yet to see any kind of return on that whatsoever. probably owing to the fact that i'm new and don't have any inside trading tips, experience, whathaveyou. i HAVE been reading the market forums and trying some basic stuff (buying a particular item at a low price and then reselling for a higher one) however, just not seeing any kind of massive return that you proclaim.
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:07:00 - [45] When I started trading I had 5m ISK from mining. I am, to this day, a big noob when it comes to combat, fitting ships, and anything related to fighting. All you have to do is find two high pop locations (I always used Jita as one). Go down the list of items and look at EVERY SINGLE ITEM and compare prices and volume traded. You don't have to have a clue what the stuff does or why people want it, all you need to do is understand how the market interface works. Also I probably wouldn't want to do it without two accounts. As time goes on and you've spent time looking at the market you'll start to notice patterns. What's hot, what's not. What has volatile prices, what's stable. What has good margins, what has bad margins. It's just a matter of keeping your nose in the market display and being able to stick with it long enough so that the patterns jump out at you. That's all I did. I started with 5m, never got any kind of wind fall or break, and I built up to a billion in a month.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:10:00 - [46] Originally by: Tobin Shalim unfortunately though, i have yet to see any kind of return on that whatsoever. probably owing to the fact that i'm new and don't have any inside trading tips, experience, whathaveyou. i HAVE been reading the market forums and trying some basic stuff (buying a particular item at a low price and then reselling for a higher one) however, just not seeing any kind of massive return that you proclaim. This is not the fault of anyone else but yourself. Investing 10 million would mean every month you get 800k isk back. Is that really going to make a real difference to you? You could buy a 10 million isk module and resell it for 11 million and make more money in a single sale. On the other hand I had over 30 billion spare ISK sitting in my wallet doing nothing. Getting back 240 million isk every month for 1/10th of that is a nice little boost considering it was doing nothing else for me. To top it off there have been very few IPO's/Bond's I've felt were worthy of investment lately, so Benvie got 3 times my usual investment because of it. In any case, Benvie's bond offering thread is not the place to complain about your own financial misfortunes. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:52:00 - [47] LOL, Benvie just dropped 3.5bil of other people's isk on an 11mil SP character. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=681128
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Tobin Shalim unfortunately though, i have yet to see any kind of return on that whatsoever. probably owing to the fact that i'm new and don't have any inside trading tips, experience, whathaveyou. i HAVE been reading the market forums and trying some basic stuff (buying a particular item at a low price and then reselling for a higher one) however, just not seeing any kind of massive return that you proclaim. Not everything has massive returns, and most things don't. Speculative markets sometimes do, you just need to know which basket to put your eggs in. You don't need insider tips, I didn't know he was going to make an IPO today though I knew he was considering doing it but never said today so I missed the boat :( (thanks to you Benvie :@ :P)
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:57:00 - [49] Actually that's my ISK. I'll use the 10b from the bond to populate trade orders on that character as well as this one. The sale of the account is actually why I released this bond now. I had been planning it, but would have waited another week or two to actually do it had that account not come along. Been waiting for a decent trader account for months.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Myrdyr LOL, Benvie just dropped 3.5bil of other people's isk on an 11mil SP character. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=681128 I believe he did state that he intended to do such in his OP, please read instead of making a fool out of yourself. Yes he sure did drop 3.5B of other people's isk into that character, its PART of his IPO plan! Read and you will understand!
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:03:00 - [51] I didn't mention it in the original post, but I did mention it on the first page. I didn't want to get specific because I didn't want more competition. I went for the buyout because I really didn't want to see anyone else grab the account, it's exactly what I've been looking for.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Benvie Actually that's my ISK. I'll use the 10b from the bond to populate trade orders on that character as well as this one. The sale of the account is actually why I released this bond now. I had been planning it, but would have waited another week or two to actually do it had that account not come along. Been waiting for a decent trader account for months. Ok, I thought it was part of the bond money, but if its your own money then that is even better. Had it been bond money it wouldn't have been a problem either I suppose; Either way it would have worked out fine I'm sure. This guy needs to pay attention and stop assuming.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Benvie I didn't mention it in the original post, but I did mention it on the first page. I didn't want to get specific because I didn't want more competition. I went for the buyout because I really didn't want to see anyone else grab the account, it's exactly what I've been looking for. For some reason I thought it was in the OP, but regardless it was/is part of your plan anyway whether it was with bond money or personal money.
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:09:00 - [54] Edited by: Benvie on 14/01/2008 22:09:36 For those curious but too lazy to copy and paste the link, the account has 6m points in trade, 2m or so towards Freighter/Transport ships, and 1.6m in Learning.
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:18:00 - [55] The LOL here is in the numbers, not the act. Standings are worth more than Accounting V or Broker Relations V, and you paid 3.5B for 8mil of relevant SP. I understand a small premium could be paid for the opportunity cost of not having to train up another trade alt, but wow.
Brisco Smiley Peppermint Bay Trading Company	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Tobin Shalim unfortunately though, i have yet to see any kind of return on that whatsoever. (off topic): Hauling is a good way to learn.
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:20:00 - [57] It would take me about 60 days to get an alt to the skill level I need, just for the trading skills (I have the skill plan set up in EveMon right now). I can make 100-300m a day profit with the skills that character has. With that level of profit I don't really care. It'll be paid off in a couple weeks. Better than waiting two months to train the alt.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:27:00 - [58] Originally by: Myrdyr The LOL here is in the numbers, not the act. Standings are worth more than Accounting V or Broker Relations V, and you paid 3.5B for 8mil of relevant SP. I understand a small premium could be paid for the opportunity cost of not having to train up another trade alt, but wow. The seller says there's not much to the standings worth mentioning so whats your point?
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:53:00 - [59] Originally by: Trilori The seller says there's not much to the standings worth mentioning so whats your point? Could you please let the big kids talk? Originally by: Benvie It would take me about 60 days to get an alt to the skill level I need, just for the trading skills (I have the skill plan set up in EveMon right now). I can make 100-300m a day profit with the skills that character has. With that level of profit I don't really care. It'll be paid off in a couple weeks. Better than waiting two months to train the alt. I'm pretty sure you can make more with 3.6billion isk and a brand new trade alt with the 40-50 slots you can start off with. I was curious how you'd present your argument for opportunity cost and quite frankly I'm disappointed.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Myrdyr Originally by: Trilori The seller says there's not much to the standings worth mentioning so whats your point? Could you please let the big kids talk? Originally by: Benvie It would take me about 60 days to get an alt to the skill level I need, just for the trading skills (I have the skill plan set up in EveMon right now). I can make 100-300m a day profit with the skills that character has. With that level of profit I don't really care. It'll be paid off in a couple weeks. Better than waiting two months to train the alt. I'm pretty sure you can make more with 3.6billion isk and a brand new trade alt with the 40-50 slots you can start off with. I was curious how you'd present your argument for opportunity cost and quite frankly I'm disappointed. You're heading into insulting grounds, I'm starting to not like you. He purchased with his own personal money, it was his choice not yours. Had it been public money then there could be some possibilities. Maybe it is cheaper to start a new trade alt and acheive the same thing with far less cost however like he said skill training would take some time thus profits would not be considerable until such time. Which do you want? 2-3 months before you can start seeing at least 1B/month or do you want to see 1B+/month now?

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