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Inchantra Lei	Posted - 2008.01.15 05:48:00 - [1] Ya'll tired of the Macro Miners like I am? Then lets start to do something about it. I propose those who can afford to take the loss, outfit Destroyers, get 5-6 of your friends to do the same, find yourself a Macro Miner (hulks, retrievers etc in 0.9 and 1.0 space) and blast them out of space. Not sure if 5-6 destroyers would be able to take a hulk down before concord took them out, but you get the idea. A macro won't fight back or use a shield booster. A human player will. Get rid of the Macro Miners!
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.01.15 05:52:00 - [2] Hulk is going to tank all the smartbomb damage unless the guy flies in a state of apathy.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.15 05:53:00 - [3] A .9 system? lol you'll be space dust before the second salvo fires. Originally by: Richard Phallus Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here. I did and got banned.
waferzankko Caldari Bears Inc Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 05:55:00 - [4] u can do it, but its gotta be in a 0.7 or lower, hulk takes 6 Destroyers ice miner takes 4 Destroyers
Inchantra Lei	Posted - 2008.01.15 05:56:00 - [5] I would wager a guess that most macro miners in high sec run cargo expanders and their strips and probably not a lot more. But yeah, the idea is to make them have to work harder or keep someone on that ship, not run a macro. Make the isk sellers macro ships unprofitable or too dangerous to fly w/o having someone monitoring it, they'll go away.
Inchantra Lei	Posted - 2008.01.15 06:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Zeba A .9 system? lol you'll be space dust before the second salvo fires. Agreed, but enough 'cheap' ships attacking a macro ship = dead macro ship and all they gotta do is get one salvo off each and the damage is done. Nuff said.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.15 06:59:00 - [7] If you can organize enough ships then by all means go for it. And screww just targeting macros go for the legit miners too. A couple of strip II should pay for the gank fleet with maybe a bit left over for a mild profit if you get lucky and nab all three. Originally by: Richard Phallus Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here. I did and got banned.
Maximada Minmatar eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.01.15 07:08:00 - [8] macro-mongs make the market cheap ill be suiciding nobody. if it was so wrong ccp would have done something about it by now so i give this thread a well deserved Meh!!!! anyway the chinese isk farmers probably wouldnt get paid and would have to go back to sewing nike footballs if i did.
Eval B'Stard Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.01.15 07:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Maximada macro-mongs make the market cheap ill be suiciding nobody. if it was so wrong ccp would have done something about it by now so i give this thread a well deserved Meh!!!! anyway the chinese isk farmers probably wouldnt get paid and would have to go back to sewing nike footballs if i did. You'll be suiciding nobody cause Gob would yell at you if you did ------------------------------------------- When we gonna see the 40km and 80km tractor beams ?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.15 08:26:00 - [10] if you want progress go suicide the farming navy ravens mining is **** for isk
HenkieBoy Enrave Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:40:00 - [11] Good luck trying to get a hulk down
Vanlade Amarr Blood Holocaust	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:43:00 - [12] Hulk takes one Brutix with overheat in 0.7, two thoraxes with overheat above 0.7. This is with cheap t1 named neutron blasters, overheat (train thermodynamics), drones and max skills.
HenkieBoy Enrave Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:05:00 - [13] Quote: Hulk takes one Brutix with overheat in 0.7, two thoraxes with overheat above 0.7. This is with cheap t1 named neutron blasters, overheat (train thermodynamics), drones and max skills. Corp mate of my has a nice shield booster putting out almost 80hp/cycle which he can run with a couple of shield hardners, good luck trying to take down his shield before concord gets there :D
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:15:00 - [14] Originally by: HenkieBoy Quote: Hulk takes one Brutix with overheat in 0.7, two thoraxes with overheat above 0.7. This is with cheap t1 named neutron blasters, overheat (train thermodynamics), drones and max skills. Corp mate of my has a nice shield booster putting out almost 80hp/cycle which he can run with a couple of shield hardners, good luck trying to take down his shield before concord gets there :D Yep...pretty sure a properly tanked Hulk (mainly with a Gistii booster) is too expensive to suicide gank. You can of course manage it, just it will cost you more to do than you will likely gain (unless you get really lucky with what survives...Gistii has to survive to make it even close to worthwhile). If you just want the guy dead and do not care about costs then not a problem. Enough guns on anything will win.
Amanty	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:17:00 - [15] Quote: Yep...pretty sure a properly tanked Hulk (mainly with a Gistii booster) is too expensive to suicide gank. You can of course manage it, just it will cost you more to do than you will likely gain (unless you get really lucky with what survives...Gistii has to survive to make it even close to worthwhile). If you just want the guy dead and do not care about costs then not a problem. Enough guns on anything will win. I have found that a Fully insured Smartbomb Geddon works very nicely to take them out with almost zero ISK loss in the end no matter what they have for a tank in .7 or below.
HenkieBoy Enrave Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:21:00 - [16] Quote: I have found that a Fully insured Smartbomb Geddon works very nicely to take them out with almost zero ISK loss in the end no matter what they have for a tank in .7 or below. If thats true, then you have the perfect means to kill about everything in 0.5+ space without any loss.. I just can't believe it.. I mean, everybody would start doing this
Inchantra Lei	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:22:00 - [17] Edited by: Inchantra Lei on 15/01/2008 15:23:35 Originally by: HenkieBoy Corp mate of my has a nice shield booster putting out almost 80hp/cycle which he can run with a couple of shield hardners, good luck trying to take down his shield before concord gets there :D If he's Macro Mining then he does need to beware. Took a hulk down last night on 0.9 space. 15 destroyers gang raped him with smarts. Concord gang raped us seconds later but we killed one macro miner. If your not a Macro Runner you have nothing to fear from my group. A human player will respond to an attack by someone (gotta love afk miners and at least give you a chance to come back and save your ships life), no response... gang bang momements later by Macro-Death (cackles)!
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:27:00 - [18] While I have no love for Macro Miners or ISK farmers (I mine, they lower my profits) I always wonder about the folks that have the clairvoyant power to tell who is running a macro and who is not... While you may want to believe you are Ganking Macro Miners, in truth, you are just ganking miners... As long as it's not me, I guess that improves my profits... --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:32:00 - [19] actually, wouldnt a couple of stealth bombers be able to alpha a hulk?
Dracon O'Conner	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Hamfast While I have no love for Macro Miners or ISK farmers (I mine, they lower my profits) I always wonder about the folks that have the clairvoyant power to tell who is running a macro and who is not... While you may want to believe you are Ganking Macro Miners, in truth, you are just ganking miners... As long as it's not me, I guess that improves my profits... A human will respond to the probe attack. A macro won't. The probe attack won't do anything but dent the sheilds, no ship armor damage etc. so generally no harm no foul (except the loss of the probe ship), If a person is afk and come back and see they were attacked, you know their gonna say something, so again, a player ran ship can be identified with relatively little fuss. No response to the probe attack = dead strip miner.
Dracon O'Conner	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:51:00 - [21] Edited by: Dracon O''Conner on 15/01/2008 15:56:41 Edited by: Dracon O''Conner on 15/01/2008 15:53:01 Originally by: Khanid Kutie actually, wouldnt a couple of stealth bombers be able to alpha a hulk? most likely yes, but those are expensive ships. the idea is to drop macro runners as cheaply as possible. Multiple destroyers smart bombing the target in waves of 2-3 at a time will kill the macro ship in fairly short order with minimal loss. tougher ships take more waves, weaker ships take less obviously. Stagger the waves so that each wave is out of range of the others smarts. fly in. Target when your at 20k. Bomb when your at optimal range for maximum damage. Concord comes in wipes you out. next wave comes in and repeats until the macro ship has been destroyed. Salvage crew comes in and cleans up the mess, sells the salvage that can't be used on another Suicide destroyer, splits the Isk between those who's ships were lost in the suicide runs. This is NOT LIKELY to be a profit making venture. Expect to run at a loss. The idea isn't to make isk, the idea is to make it dangerous and unprofitable for someone to run a Macro to Mine with. Oh and just a reminder.. your going to take SecStat hits. be prepared to work your butt off to repair that, or loose the ability to go into high high sec.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Dracon O'Conner Edited by: Dracon O''Conner on 15/01/2008 15:56:41 Edited by: Dracon O''Conner on 15/01/2008 15:53:01 Originally by: Khanid Kutie actually, wouldnt a couple of stealth bombers be able to alpha a hulk? most likely yes, but those are expensive ships. the idea is to drop macro runners as cheaply as possible. i dunno, i doubt 5 steatlh bombers, t1 fitted with just damage mods would cost much more than a smart bombing abaddon/apoc/geddon or any other suicide battleship, tbh.
Chalrynn Illyndar	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: Dracon O'Conner Edited by: Dracon O''Conner on 15/01/2008 15:56:41 Edited by: Dracon O''Conner on 15/01/2008 15:53:01 Originally by: Khanid Kutie actually, wouldnt a couple of stealth bombers be able to alpha a hulk? most likely yes, but those are expensive ships. the idea is to drop macro runners as cheaply as possible. i dunno, i doubt 5 steatlh bombers, t1 fitted with just damage mods would cost much more than a smart bombing abaddon/apoc/geddon or any other suicide battleship, tbh. The insurance payout on a T1 Battleship is around 90%. 5 T2 Bombers maybe 10-20%?
Tchell Dahhn Amarr Deny Reality	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:48:00 - [24] You may require my services. EveMail me, if interested.
Commander Nemesid	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Inchantra Lei Ya'll tired of the Macro Miners like I am? Then lets start to do something about it. I propose those who can afford to take the loss, outfit Destroyers, get 5-6 of your friends to do the same, find yourself a Macro Miner (hulks, retrievers etc in 0.9 and 1.0 space) and blast them out of space. Not sure if 5-6 destroyers would be able to take a hulk down before concord took them out, but you get the idea. A macro won't fight back or use a shield booster. A human player will. Get rid of the Macro Miners! Can i ask how you figure out who is macro miner and who isnt? "A macro won't fight back or use a shield booster. A human player will." Im miner, I dont use booster in high sec, just pasive tank. So i dont atack back. Anyway, with what im supose to atack back? Strip Lasers? If you think im macro miner only by not accepting invitations you are REAL NOOB ! Im looking forward one day some band of noobs will suicide bomb my Hulk.... Btw, hunting high sec macro miners? Its most stupid idea i ever heard. Macro in high sec is making about 2-5M/hour (most of time less then more). If someone is ****ed for macro miner is making 4M/hour he is ........
Malcanis 5 finger discounteers	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Commander Nemesid Originally by: Inchantra Lei Ya'll tired of the Macro Miners like I am? Then lets start to do something about it. I propose those who can afford to take the loss, outfit Destroyers, get 5-6 of your friends to do the same, find yourself a Macro Miner (hulks, retrievers etc in 0.9 and 1.0 space) and blast them out of space. Not sure if 5-6 destroyers would be able to take a hulk down before concord took them out, but you get the idea. A macro won't fight back or use a shield booster. A human player will. Get rid of the Macro Miners! Can i ask how you figure out who is macro miner and who isnt? "A macro won't fight back or use a shield booster. A human player will." Im miner, I dont use booster in high sec, just pasive tank. So i dont atack back. Anyway, with what im supose to atack back? Strip Lasers? If you think im macro miner only by not accepting invitations you are REAL NOOB ! Im looking forward one day some band of noobs will suicide bomb my Hulk.... Btw, hunting high sec macro miners? Its most stupid idea i ever heard. Macro in high sec is making about 2-5M/hour (most of time less then more). If someone is ****ed for macro miner is making 4M/hour he is ........ Um, a hulk can carry 5x T2 Hammerheads. Those will melt a T1 destroyer quicker than you can target it. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Commander Nemesid	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:19:00 - [27] hulk "can" carry t2 hammerheads. Can, can, can .... I dont care about rats so i never release drones to space. mI macro miner for leting rats atacking me? You cant ever have 100% proof of macro miner.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:35:00 - [28] Posting in a wannabe EULA vigilante thread. ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Commander Nemesid Originally by: Inchantra Lei Ya'll tired of the Macro Miners like I am? Then lets start to do something about it. I propose those who can afford to take the loss, outfit Destroyers, get 5-6 of your friends to do the same, find yourself a Macro Miner (hulks, retrievers etc in 0.9 and 1.0 space) and blast them out of space. Not sure if 5-6 destroyers would be able to take a hulk down before concord took them out, but you get the idea. A macro won't fight back or use a shield booster. A human player will. Get rid of the Macro Miners! Can i ask how you figure out who is macro miner and who isnt? "A macro won't fight back or use a shield booster. A human player will." Im miner, I dont use booster in high sec, just pasive tank. So i dont atack back. Anyway, with what im supose to atack back? Strip Lasers? If you think im macro miner only by not accepting invitations you are REAL NOOB ! Im looking forward one day some band of noobs will suicide bomb my Hulk.... Btw, hunting high sec macro miners? Its most stupid idea i ever heard. Macro in high sec is making about 2-5M/hour (most of time less then more). If someone is **ed for macro miner is making 4M/hour he is ........ Um, a hulk can carry 5x T2 Hammerheads. Those will melt a T1 destroyer quicker than you can target it. HA, I run 5 accounts. I have miners, but am never mining, because well, its slow and boring. I WILL NEVER aggro ANYONE in my hulk. Its asking for someone to come back and kill me. If a probe ship shoots me, and gets concorded, I wont do anything, why? Because he didnt do anything I care about. WOOO shoot my crappy hulk, dent the shields, I run a perma tanked booster setup. I set it to mine, and come back in 10mins to a full hold. I dock and come back. I look like a macro. I can bait on occasion, its like saying a macro wont shoot me, when a real player will. Thats ****, because no smart player will aggro back. They dont want to be killed. Originally by:** CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
Resolve	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Commander Nemesid Btw, hunting high sec macro miners? Its most stupid idea i ever heard. Macro in high sec is making about 2-5M/hour (most of time less then more). If someone is **ed for macro miner is making 4M/hour he is ........ Let's see here. 4M per hour x 23 hours a day = 92 mil per day. 644 mil in a week. Roughly 2.5 Billion per month per macro miner. Nah, nothing to be **ed about here

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