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Scagga Laebetrovo Five Pioneers	Posted - 2008.01.15 22:59:00 - [1] ...and the five pioneers looked to the east, and saw great wealth indeed. Great constellations untamed, wild - a great wildland. It was not greed that drew them, it was destiny that called them. "The future of the Ammatar is east, eastwards my friends." Scagga smiled. "Move east and the mandate will follow, for we are the capsuleers. We are the elite, we are the celestial example. Our kin will look to the sky and see our trails veering eastwards. It is a new frontier for us and ours, our people. Woe to the Thukker that opposes us!" Scagga paused, pondering upon hard times. "The horizon is unrestrained and only the strongest can survive. They [the weak] will sign an agreement on the east border of Hevaka, [sic] will reaffirm their loyalty to the Mandate, our cause. They will pledge themselves to self-amelioration under the power of this Hevaka Agreement!" "The frontiers are ours to take, fellow pioneers! They who are young must sa***uard the hinterlands and wait their call in turn." "Ammatar ad finem!" San Matari Official forums
Shern Minmatar Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.16 04:09:00 - [2] Edited by: Shern on 16/01/2008 04:09:47 Do not abandon us, lord. Not everyone has the same vision as you. Taking what the Thukker have will not help our children in the Mandate. All it will do is build up another legacy of pain. Tread very, very carefully, lord. Remember that despite the barbarism of the tribals, we are all one people. I will stay to guard the Mandate in my own way, just as Nomakai will try to guide us in his. If that makes me 'weak' in your eyes, then so be it. I will not risk my children's lives in a dream of the east. I know other pilots feel the same and I call on them to join me in remaining in and sa***uarding Derelik. There is no shame in building on the dream that the ceasefire with the tribals have given us and working for a peaceful, strong Mandate.
zoolkhan Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.16 05:05:00 - [3] good luck old foe i was ushra'khan - and we came for our people
Nebulous Minmatar Thukker Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.16 05:57:00 - [4] Scagga! You have clearly gone mad, I suggest you turn your focus from the Great Wildlands now! The only thing for you their is almost certain death. I thought after leaving Delictum you may have learned some sense, your outspoken views of the Thukker tribe have earned you negative standings and I will kill you on sight given half the chance. ------
Racer Blade	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:12:00 - [5] I know many will want to follow you to the East, And those who do will be loyal to your cause. PIONEERS i bid you luck on your crusade..
Ashar KorAzor Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Nebulous Scagga! You have clearly gone mad, I suggest you turn your focus from the Great Wildlands now! The only thing for you their is almost certain death. I thought after leaving Delictum you may have learned some sense, your outspoken views of the Thukker tribe have earned you negative standings and I will kill you on sight given half the chance. You realize you are telling a Matari traveler that he is not to take to Thukker ways? Here you have a man of the Mandate looking to move to a territory that is hilariously underpopulated, and your response is to shoot him down? Who's the small-minded reactionary now? Captain Laebetrovo - for I see little use in applying a title you have outgrown, and thake that in a positive sense, as I have seen enough corrupt Holders in my time - good luck with your initiative. I hope you will work with, and not against, any natives, and be a shining example for how the Faithful show their true colors. I am afraid that even I will have to withdraw my support if I hear news of political opportunities wasted and new enemies made, but still I bid you and yours good fortune. May you avoid as many crises as possible, and may God favor you and those you encounter.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Naughty People The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Ashar KorAzor Originally by: Nebulous Scagga! You have clearly gone mad, I suggest you turn your focus from the Great Wildlands now! The only thing for you their is almost certain death. I thought after leaving Delictum you may have learned some sense, your outspoken views of the Thukker tribe have earned you negative standings and I will kill you on sight given half the chance. You realize you are telling a Matari traveler that he is not to take to Thukker ways? Here you have a man of the Mandate looking to move to a territory that is hilariously underpopulated, and your response is to shoot him down? Who's the small-minded reactionary now? You are, apparently. If you had bothered actually reading the OP (instead of simply flaming the first political opponent you saw) you'd see Scagga isn't going to the wild lands to adopt or even study Thukker ways, his agenda is to colonize the Great Wildlands in the name of the Mandate (a sworn enemy of the Thukker tribe); so surely you could see how Nebulous could have some objection to that. Another point, Scagga stopped being a Matari a long time ago(in fact, I'm fairly certian he's quite proud of that fact) when he declared his loyalty to the Mandate and formed Delictum 23216; but I suppose ignoring that tiny fact isn't important, not when there's baseless rhetoric to push. ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
Grr Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.01.16 13:53:00 - [8] VV shall be watching your progress with great interest Scagga. Epitoth Fleetyards is Recruiting
Kabajashi San Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.16 14:20:00 - [9] May the Thukker put your crippled soul to rest.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:20:00 - [10] Lord Laebotrovo, may God guide you with the fine hability that he has up to now, and may you be as successfull as ever in this new endeavour. I only wish this whole, issue, could have been done in another way, but sometimes our wishes and our capabilities get in the way of each other. May you be succesful in your new path. If you need anything, you know where we are. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.17 22:54:00 - [11] Ta astra awton genestho melana! Hoi filoi genesthon melanes! Apothanonton hoi stratiotai Hupo ooranowi haimatoenti! Ha kalista elpizoosi Daynotatoi foboi genesthon! Kai ho anemos psukhros pneon Ta ostea ays konin metabaleto! ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Ashar KorAzor Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.18 18:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Agustus Caesar You are, apparently. If you had bothered actually reading the OP (instead of simply flaming the first political opponent you saw)... Since we're talking about reading, let's mention this tidbit: Originally by: Ashar KorAzor I am afraid that even I will have to withdraw my support if I hear news of political opportunities wasted and new enemies made, but still I bid you and yours good fortune. May you avoid as many crises as possible, and may God favor you and those you encounter. No point shooting yourself down by not hearing the end of the transmission, captain. Quote: you'd see Scagga isn't going to the wild lands to adopt or even study Thukker ways, his agenda is to colonize the Great Wildlands in the name of the Mandate (a sworn enemy of the Thukker tribe); Evidently, recent changes make little sense to incorporate into our views. The Mandate is at peace with the tribes of Heimatar, Molden Heath, and Metropolis at the moment. This circumstance was impossible to so much as comprehend a few months ago. As for Captain Laebetrovo - you may have missed certain glaring truths, but then, you are in the service of a new corporation in a new alliance following a pirate kingdom six regions from the matter, so I'll forgive your being out of the loop. Quote: so surely you could see how Nebulous could have some objection to that. Would this be a private matter of some sort? Or one of simply ignoring trends? Have some thought to what's really going on here. Quote: Another point, Scagga stopped being a Matari a long time ago(in fact, I'm fairly certian he's quite proud of that fact) when he declared his loyalty to the Mandate and formed Delictum 23216; but I suppose ignoring that tiny fact isn't important, not when there's baseless rhetoric to push. You assume me another faceless loyalist to an Empire because the mainstream among the capsuleer population has won its little self-dehumanizing PR battle. This is rather silly. I thank you for your assertions that you have perfect understanding of your opponent; I further thank you for claiming that you've a perfect grasp of Matari identity and are fit to speak for others on this behalf. The current political trends of factions are prone to change. This fact alone should be telling enough, but, since you and the opposition are evidently not in top form just now, I would suggest you look carefully at what Captain Laebetrovo maintains. Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo "The future of the Ammatar is east, eastwards my friends." Let me repeat it for you. Make it a bit clearer. Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo "The future of the Ammatar is east" Now, one last time, with the intent to give you some thought to what Captain Laebetrovo is NOT saying. Go right ahead, think it over. Logically. Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo "The future of the Ammatar is east"
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Naughty People The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.01.18 21:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Ashar KorAzor Evidently, recent changes make little sense to incorporate into our views. The Mandate is at peace with the tribes of Heimatar, Molden Heath, and Metropolis at the moment. This circumstance was impossible to so much as comprehend a few months ago. You do know that what happens in the Republic is almost irrelevant to what happens within the Thukker Tribe, right? The Thukker has had almost nothing to do with the Republic since the Republic formed. Originally by: Ashar KorAzor As for Captain Laebetrovo - you may have missed certain glaring truths, but then, you are in the service of a new corporation in a new alliance following a pirate kingdom six regions from the matter, so I'll forgive your being out of the loop. You did a magnificent job of pointing out I'm employed by pirate loyalists, bravo, however you failed miserably to debunk my point, unless however, you're making the ludicrous suggestion that Scagga is going as some sort of self-appointed peace envoy? Originally by: Ashar KorAzor Quote: so surely you could see how Nebulous could have some objection to that. Would this be a private matter of some sort? Or one of simply ignoring trends? Have some thought to what's really going on here. If I had to guess I'd say that Nebulous might have a problem with this little gem Originally by: Scagga "The horizon is unrestrained and only the strongest can survive. They [the weak] will sign an agreement on the east border of Hevaka, [sic] will reaffirm their loyalty to the Mandate, our cause. They will pledge themselves to self-amelioration under the power of this Hevaka Agreement!" Surely you didn't ignore that part to make some half-baked quip, did you? Originally by: Ashar KorAzor You assume me another faceless loyalist to an Empire because the mainstream among the capsuleer population has won its little self-dehumanizing PR battle. This is rather silly. I thank you for your assertions that you have perfect understanding of your opponent; I further thank you for claiming that you've a perfect grasp of Matari identity and are fit to speak for others on this behalf. You do realize how little sense that made, don't you? He's only said about a dozen times on IGS alone that he no longer considers himself Minmatar, but Ammatar. I understand you have an overwhelming need to misquote and blatantly misinterpret people's words, but at least put some effort behind it, this just makes you look foolish. I see you saw fit to place a random quote several times and condescend me, I'll respond by quoting something that actually underlines my arguments. Originally by: Scagga "Move east and the mandate will follow, for we are the capsuleers. We are the elite, we are the celestial example. Our kin will look to the sky and see our trails veering eastwards. It is a new frontier for us and ours, our people. Woe to the Thukker that opposes us!" How you managed to miss that I have no idea. Originally by: Scagga "The horizon is unrestrained and only the strongest can survive. They [the weak] will sign an agreement on the east border of Hevaka, [sic] will reaffirm their loyalty to the Mandate, our cause. They will pledge themselves to self-amelioration under the power of this Hevaka Agreement!" You don't need a degree in Political Science to see what he means, only a moron would think his intentions the least bit peaceful. Now, instead of poorly thought out condescension and irrelevant quotes you could perhaps tell me just where you got the idea he was going with the intent of establishing peace with the Thukker? (and forgive me if that wasn't your claim, but your argument was so scattered I had to make several inferences) ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.18 23:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Ta astra awton genestho melana! Hoi filoi genesthon melanes! Apothanonton hoi stratiotai Hupo ooranowi haimatoenti! Ha kalista elpizoosi Daynotatoi foboi genesthon! Kai ho anemos psukhros pneon Ta ostea ays konin metabaleto! Do you actually have a clue what you are saying? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Raktar Medovski Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.18 23:42:00 - [15] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Ta astra awton genestho melana! Hoi filoi genesthon melanes! Apothanonton hoi stratiotai Hupo ooranowi haimatoenti! Ha kalista elpizoosi Daynotatoi foboi genesthon! Kai ho anemos psukhros pneon Ta ostea ays konin metabaleto! Do you actually have a clue what you are saying? Do you know?
Onnen Mentar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2008.01.19 00:21:00 - [16] The Murientor Tribe welcomes any Ammatar efforts to expand towards the east, so they may come crushing against the wall of determination which true warriors hold. This is where the future of the Ammatar Mandate ends.
Scagga Laebetrovo Five Pioneers	Posted - 2008.01.20 18:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Shern Edited by: Shern on 16/01/2008 04:09:47 Do not abandon us, lord. Not everyone has the same vision as you. Taking what the Thukker have will not help our children in the Mandate. All it will do is build up another legacy of pain. Tread very, very carefully, lord. Remember that despite the barbarism of the tribals, we are all one people. Shern, first of all I must remind you of your unique golden rule: Silence! Now, I have little understanding of your typical chatter, but it is a wonderful adventure! I daresay it would do you good if you got out of that shell once in a while. IÆll write to you on occasion regarding any Thukker-spottings on the frontier. Originally by: Nebulous I thought after leaving Delictum you may have learned some sense, your outspoken views of the Thukker tribe have earned you negative standings and I will kill you on sight given half the chance. I see your dilemma, "Die for ideas, that's fine, but which ones?" Ah yes, I recall your war declarationàwell, some natives always seem to oppose the coming of civilised settlers. The stars are guiding me, Thukker. Originally by: Ashar KorAzor Captain Laebetrovo - for I see little use in applying a title you have outgrown, I hope you will work with, and not against, any natives, and be a shining example for how the Faithful show their true colors. I still wear my old CaptainÆs bars, Abbess, on the outdated uniform of a cause I gave my all to. Indeed, I have made colour modifications to æblend inÆ somewhat with these natives û they donÆt like even knowing of Ammatar docking at their stations. Live and let live at the moment, you could say. However some capsuleers canÆt help themselvesà Originally by: Onnen Mentar The Murientor Tribe welcomes any Ammatar efforts to expand towards the east, so they may come crushing against the wall of determination which true warriors hold. This is where the future of the Ammatar Mandate ends. Thank you for your kind wishes Mr Mentar. It is essential to realise that acquiring understanding of the science required to differentiate a beginning from an end is beyond the reach of an entity external to the higher system in progression. That is to say, your lack of perspective will deny you the ability to recognise the difference between our rise or fall, Mentar. This may also be the case for your own. One must also clarify your words, Mentar. This crushing wall you prophesised is but a half-man of a Thukker, who has an uncanny habit of making irrational demands. San Matari Official forums
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.20 19:28:00 - [18] Scagga, I look forward with glee to the inevitable news of your failure and defeat. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:22:00 - [19] Scagga, I am curious as to your intentions in the Wildlands (my current residence). I should give you a friendly warning - the Wildlands are infested with pirates. I speak not of the Thukkers, or even the Angel Cartel. I speak of the likes of Veritas Immortalis or The Church. They are true pirates, driven by greed and bloodlust. I recommend that you contact the Foundation, a large anti-pirate alliance based in the Wildlands. They can bring you up to speed on the situation. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Kabajashi San Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.21 13:14:00 - [20] Is it now that the pilots of EM give advice to someone who wants to claim the wildlands for the Mandate? Let him get blown up by whomever, a traitor doesn't deserve better.
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.21 20:03:00 - [21] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 21/01/2008 20:05:20 I look forward to welcoming you into the Wildlands, Scagga, and sending you back to the mandate in your clone. Giving advice to the maggot loving, Scagga. Shame on you, Nachson. Paratwa Recruitment
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.21 20:20:00 - [22] I have learnt that, before his assassination, Scagga wanted a pan-Minmatar coalition - and was willing to abandon and condemn slavery to make it happen. This might explain Electus Matari's more... understanding approach to him lately. Myself I am undecided. Part of me says not to trust him, yet part of me wonders what the effects of creating a rift between the Mandate and the Empire might be... ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.21 23:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Kabajashi San Is it now that the pilots of EM give advice to someone who wants to claim the wildlands for the Mandate? Let him get blown up by whomever, a traitor doesn't deserve better. I was attempting to gauge his intentions. If his intentions are peaceful (and with only five pilots, I doubt he intends war), I imagine he will soon become an ally against the local pirate scum. Or run back to the Mandate with pirates yapping at his heels, depending on the current status of his backbone. If his intentions ARE hostile, I would inform my superiors. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Kabajashi San Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.22 12:18:00 - [24] I'll have severe difficulties believing anything he states as his intention. Five men are enough for spying and sniffing and causing unrest. And even if it would only be the usual propaganda against proud tribal traditions and the perversion of his heritage it is enough to put him to rest I think. But fair enough, you'll give him the credit that maybe there is still a bit of Matari left in him. Just don't let him delude you. To Scagga: I heard the Thukker have very interesting traditions having to do with cutting off traitor's heads. But you will probably know first hand very soon.
Ravin Abai Amarr Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2008.01.25 12:52:00 - [25] Don't listen to these envious doubters and naysayers, Scagga. You have proven yourself, and you deserve a reward. Your fortune, as well as the fortunes of your people lie in the east.

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