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Ciryadin	Posted - 2008.01.16 13:24:00 - [1] Saved up some money when i ran lvl 4's in my old raven i finally bit the bullet and got its upgrade the Caldari Navy Raven. Current Setup. High: 7x 'Arbalest' CML 1x STB Medium: 1xDread Guristas XL-Shield Booster 1xDread Guristas Shield Boost AMP 1xInvul Field I 3x(mission specific hardners I) Lows: 2x BCU II 2x PDs II 1x DC Rigs: 3x CCC I Any tips on what i should focus on first rightnow to make it better.
Murenas	Posted - 2008.01.16 13:42:00 - [2] change resists to t2 or faction (if you dont have CPU then change some of the lows for faction) after that change shield booster to best you can afford to have and later cruise launchers for dread or caldari navy ones. rest is up to you.
Ebusitanus Segunda Fundacion	Posted - 2008.01.16 13:58:00 - [3] I have in the middle instead of so many hardeners just two of them, the XL shield booster, the shield amplifier and two cap recharger. Lows two BCU and the rest cap flux coils. ------------------------------------------------ "Stop quoting laws, we carry weapons!" Pompey the Great to the defenders of a besieged city who were crying outrage.
Ciryadin	Posted - 2008.01.16 14:17:00 - [4] Caldari Navy CML = Fail Cruise Missile Specialization doesn't work on CN CML.
Ciryadin	Posted - 2008.01.16 14:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Ebusitanus I have in the middle instead of so many hardeners just two of them, the XL shield booster, the shield amplifier and two cap recharger. Lows two BCU and the rest cap flux coils. Aren't you gimping your tank a bit then? I know ur recharge is high to keep up with shield boosting but with only 2x hardners II's it wont really break 70% high on 2 dmg types.
Raekone	Posted - 2008.01.16 14:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Ciryadin Caldari Navy CML = Fail Cruise Missile Specialization doesn't work on CN CML. 'tis you who fail m'lad. AFAIK the ROF on those things make them better than T2 launchers. Am I right or am I right? Am I right. amirite.
Ciryadin	Posted - 2008.01.16 15:06:00 - [7] Edited by: Ciryadin on 16/01/2008 15:13:44 Originally by: Raekone Originally by: Ciryadin Caldari Navy CML = Fail Cruise Missile Specialization doesn't work on CN CML. 'tis you who fail m'lad. AFAIK the ROF on those things make them better than T2 launchers. Am I right or am I right? Am I right. amirite. With CM Spec 5, CML II vs CN CML is a marginal 0.3s. And seeing CN CML is about 50-60M/unit its a bit of a waste. Offcourse if you have money to burn and u dont wanna spec high into missiles then CN CML is the best option. :)
Raekone	Posted - 2008.01.16 15:44:00 - [8] Edited by: Raekone on 16/01/2008 15:45:05 Originally by: Ciryadin Edited by: Ciryadin on 16/01/2008 15:13:44 Originally by: Raekone Originally by: Ciryadin Caldari Navy CML = Fail Cruise Missile Specialization doesn't work on CN CML. 'tis you who fail m'lad. AFAIK the ROF on those things make them better than T2 launchers. Am I right or am I right? Am I right. amirite. With CM Spec 5, CML II vs CN CML is a marginal 0.3s. And seeing CN CML is about 50-60M/unit its a bit of a waste. Offcourse if you have money to burn and u dont wanna spec high into missiles then CN CML is the best option. :) Don't forget the fitting reqs (allmost 200 PG less for each launcher). And why train a PvE skill (CM spec) so high when you can use CN launchers which you won't be loosing ever anyway edit My smiley was removed? hmm
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.16 18:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Ciryadin With CM Spec 5, CML II vs CN CML is a marginal 0.3s. And seeing CN CML is about 50-60M/unit its a bit of a waste. Offcourse if you have money to burn and u dont wanna spec high into missiles then CN CML is the best option. :) Or you could simply train Cruise 5 instead of Cruise Spec 5 and get the full effect from CN Cruise. ADDITIONALLY, they are flat out better than T2 Cruise, and they cost less to fit. No, CN Cruise and CN BCUs are excellent investments on mission ships. -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Major Stallion Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.16 18:11:00 - [10] Edited by: Major Stallion on 16/01/2008 18:11:23 Originally by: Ciryadin High: 7x 'Arbalest' CML Medium: 1xDread Guristas XL-Shield Booster 2xDread Guristas Shield Boost AMP 3x T2 Mission Specific Hardeners Lows: 3x BCU II 1x PDs II 1x CPR II Rigs: 3x CCC I changed some stuf around, worked well enough for me.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.16 18:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Raekone My smiley was removed? hmm At the top left of the screen (above the posting window) there's a checkbox that says "Display images". Check it. ;-) -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Lady Gank	Posted - 2008.01.16 19:57:00 - [12] i personally fit: 7x Caldari navy cruise missile launcher 1x gist a-type xl booster 3x CN hardeners 2x caldari navy boost amps 3x CN BCU 2x PDU ll 3x CCC
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Lady Gank i personally fit: 7x Caldari navy cruise missile launcher 1x gist a-type xl booster 3x CN hardeners 2x caldari navy boost amps 3x CN BCU 2x PDU ll 3x CCC Well a gist booster makes the raven easymode, with it's low cap use you may be able to get away with using PDU's but for non Gist users you need the best cap you can get. CFC's give better cap regain I've just started out with the raven and this is what I have so far, drained my wallet of well over a Bill. 7x Arby CML, 1x 650mm Arty II 1x CN XL booster 1x DG Boost AMP 3x Active hardeners T2 1x Cap Recharger II 2x CFC II 3x CN BCU I am currently using a CR over a hardener or amp because the CN booster boosts and uses cap faster than T2 so the CR is there to make the tank a bit more stable. This may change as I experiment. Best investment so far has been the CN BCU's, like 2.5% more damage than T2 and much easier fitting like 70mil isk each. Cant see the impact of the damage increase from the fitting screen though when I add & remore BCU's the damage number is not changing which is a pain. ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder
Poision Kevin	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:14:00 - [14] i do like this on my reaven for lvl 4 misssions High 6 t-2 misssile launchers or arbalast 2 t-2 large autocannons chenging this for like smartbomb if dronemission Med t-2 100mn XL shield booster t-2 or best nameed and 4 shield hardners for missions or u can do like this in your Med:no ab but 3 large shield extenders and 3 shield hardners for mission LOWS damage control t-2 ballastic con t-2 and 3 pds t-2
Lady Gank	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Byzan Zwyth Well a gist booster makes the raven easymode, with it's low cap use you may be able to get away with using PDU's but for non Gist users you need the best cap you can get. CFC's give better cap regain I've just started out with the raven and this is what I have so far, drained my wallet of well over a Bill. 7x Arby CML, 1x 650mm Arty II 1x CN XL booster 1x DG Boost AMP 3x Active hardeners T2 1x Cap Recharger II 2x CFC II 3x CN BCU I am currently using a CR over a hardener or amp because the CN booster boosts and uses cap faster than T2 so the CR is there to make the tank a bit more stable. This may change as I experiment. Best investment so far has been the CN BCU's, like 2.5% more damage than T2 and much easier fitting like 70mil isk each. Cant see the impact of the damage increase from the fitting screen though when I add & remore BCU's the damage number is not changing which is a pain. until a week ago i was running a raven with the following: 6x cruise ll xl booster ll 3x hardener ll 1x boost amp ll 1x cap recharger ll 3x bcu ll 2x pdu ll 3x ccc i personally like the extra cap buffer given by the PDU's even though the CFC give a better peak recharge. with the PDU my cap would run out in 1.5 mins with the CFC it would run out in 50 seconds due to the reduced amount of cap. I only use the CFC when it makes the difference between a permitank setup and setup i have to micro manage
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Lady Gank I only use the CFC when it makes the difference between a permitank setup and setup i have to micro manage This is the right answer with regards to PDUs vs CFC's. Of course, I'm not real sure why you want a tank that you don't have to micromanage.... because it means you didn't fit enough gank on the ship. ^_^ -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Asmosis	Posted - 2008.01.18 04:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Byzan Zwyth Originally by: Lady Gank i personally fit: 7x Caldari navy cruise missile launcher 1x gist a-type xl booster 3x CN hardeners 2x caldari navy boost amps 3x CN BCU 2x PDU ll 3x CCC Well a gist booster makes the raven easymode, with it's low cap use you may be able to get away with using PDU's but for non Gist users you need the best cap you can get. CFC's give better cap regain I've just started out with the raven and this is what I have so far, drained my wallet of well over a Bill. 7x Arby CML, 1x 650mm Arty II 1x CN XL booster 1x DG Boost AMP 3x Active hardeners T2 1x Cap Recharger II 2x CFC II 3x CN BCU I am currently using a CR over a hardener or amp because the CN booster boosts and uses cap faster than T2 so the CR is there to make the tank a bit more stable. This may change as I experiment. Best investment so far has been the CN BCU's, like 2.5% more damage than T2 and much easier fitting like 70mil isk each. Cant see the impact of the damage increase from the fitting screen though when I add & remore BCU's the damage number is not changing which is a pain. To see the damage increase you need to check the missles themselves, not the launcher. I had the same setup as you, but i've found it better to go with XL-T2+CN Amp instead of XL-CN + CR2. About same cap efficiency and about 10% more boost/sec. Also if your going to use a gist XL booster, you really can't complain about the cost of CN launchers vs T2 launchers (or any other CN vs T2 mod).
Andur'il Globex Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.18 05:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Liang Nuren Of course, I'm not real sure why you want a tank that you don't have to micromanage.... because it means you didn't fit enough gank on the ship. ^_^ -Liang Not entirely correct. My setup uses a Large Gist C-Type booster and T2 boost amp instead of XL, which is perfectly good enough to tank all Lvl 4s. It permaruns (sits at ~40% cap) and allows me to fit 3 BCUs, so I have about as much gank as I can muster. Originally by: CherniyVolk Die with respect earned than live to be a joke across the galaxy.

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