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Lrd Byron
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Posted - 2008.01.17 10:20:00 -
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I am a pretty new player looking for a longer term direction, I read up on stealth bombers and they seem pretty interesting, but I was wondering what the community's opinion on their role/effectiveness is.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.17 10:22:00 -
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oh boy here we go :P
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Nox Domini
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.17 10:29:00 -
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Used right, very effective, but only if used in a very specific manner! it has 2 tricks, bombs (only useable in 0.0, big explosion but can be destroyed and small warning to ships that something might be up) and cruise missiles to take out targets in a quick manner (frigates and the like, unless you gang up) they are useful, but the problem is alot of people see them in the light they look at every ship and yell about its uselessness in normal combat. This is fine if you want a ship for that but its entirely designed for specific things which means its normal combat effectiveness is around that of a towel.
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THX 1138
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 10:37:00 -
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 Originally by: MotherMoon
Edited by: MotherMoon on 17/01/2008 10:30:15
Edited by: MotherMoon on 17/01/2008 10:27:46
oh boy here we go :P
Allright so here goes.
Strengths
-Half the dps of a raven on a frigate
-They can fit cloaks
-Insane alpha damage with a squad of them
-They can launch bombs in a forward trajectory which deal damage to a large number of ships based on size.
-They can use neut bombs** 
-great for PvP
Weaknesses
-They have very low Hp
-it takes about 5 bombs to kill a battleship and each bombers can only launch one.
-you NEED a group of them, meaning a team of mates you can count on
-They die very quickly when webed and locked down by an intersceptor, Electornic attack ship
-they will be out of range to use a warp disruptor meaning they can't solo hold down a target.
-bombs are about 4 mil a pop.(good in alliance provider)
That's about it :)
well at least in my opinion
**even a single neut bomb can really terrorize a gate camp.
And if they have sound on it's awesome because it's kills all\ sound for a split second before exploding! don't know if other people can hear it but the bomber can.
oh I hope they can hear it.
Actually that's a pretty good summary. One more point to add: they're fun.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2008.01.17 10:45:00 -
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Stealth bombers are all about:
1. The right occasion.
2. Combined arms and co-ordinated tactics.
3. Terror.
It's not a solo ship. It's not a ship that you just go "hey, I want to join this op. I'll bring my stealthbomber". But when used right they can certainly make a difference.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.17 11:21:00 -
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If you have a bunch of them together, and with interceptors (preferably interdictor(s) as well) for support, they are really good.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.01.17 11:46:00 -
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Unless you are in a dedictated gang with a clear objective in mind Stealth bombers are nothing more than a toy and you will soon change to another ship type when you realise this.
Proper gang ops with bombers are awsome though and can really lay down the hurt.
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Waxau
The Fated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.17 11:57:00 -
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Tbh, theyre more of a terror weapon. two or three in a pipe, and a tackler or two...enough alpha to pop many things, very fast (when in a gang). And the fact you dont know when theyre afk or not...mmm
Infact, im off to pick mine up ^^
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nu artiste
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Posted - 2008.01.17 12:03:00 -
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a ship that can not avoid categamps, once it is in a bubble ownly mwd can save it - my manticores get stuck in the containers and trash that gate campers spam inside of their bubbles. Manticores are really expensive for a paper thin frigate. I don't use them for PvP, because there are not enough volunteers to fly them in my alliance.
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Xavok
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:32:00 -
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Stealth bombers are freaking AWESOME if you're a PvPer
(If you're a carebear, who cares about you.)
5 SB, 2 interceptors, 1 rapier/huggin
That's only 8 people...not a big squad - but that gang right there is more than enuogh to interrupt supply lines, pick off the stragglers in large enemy fleets, engage just about any solo ship you come across...it's an incredibly powerful and versatile squad. And it's built on the stealth bomber.
Finally (and perhaps most importantly) they're incredibly cheap compared to equivalent-dps ships. So in the 8 man gang above, if you take on 2 megathrons (which you can do), kill them both but lose 3 bombers and an interceptor in the process (which is a bad day)...you still win, despite the 2-1 kill ratio, because you've caused about 4 times as much ISK-loss to the enemy.
http://www.exceedkillboard.co.uk/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=797&view=ships_weapons
Exceed has been fighting in the Great War on the side of The Coalition for awhile now. That link shows just how effective stealth bombers can me. #1 all time in kills, Hound. #4 all time, Manticore. #7 all time, Nemesis.
Note to all the nano-whiners; not a single HAC in the top 15, and eXceed has plenty of kills. It shows what experienced players have all been saying - nano ships are great at picking off people on their own, but they're just not very useful against gangs. They don't need to be nerfed, you need to be trained 
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caldarugh
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:17:00 -
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a ship that can not avoid categamps, once it is in a bubble ownly mwd can save it - my manticores get stuck in the containers and trash that gate campers spam inside of their bubbles. Manticores are really expensive for a paper thin frigate. I don't use them for PvP, because there are not enough volunteers to fly them in my alliance.
 i totally disagree
manties, and even better hounds, for that purpose are awesome against campers. if u dont want want to rush into the nearest object, just open your tactical overlay, head to the proper direction and enjoy your cloacked bonus speed to escape. obviously, you need an overdrive injector and at least cov ops at 4 to make it really efficient...anyway, u're not supposed to cross a 50 ppl camp 
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:31:00 -
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The EM bombs are not that great tbh.. i have tried it on several ocations and higher then 475 dmg on an inty isnt reachable..
It can do decent dmg on cruisers or bigger.. but not that great.. neut bombs are indee cool tough
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Kia Rash
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xavok
Stealth bombers are freaking AWESOME if you're a PvPer
(If you're a carebear, who cares about you.)
5 SB, 2 interceptors, 1 rapier/huggin
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exactly what i was thinking,
in sitoations like that the sb is great, but only when it has the upperhand, it will never win a fight it didnt pick. also, its only a gang/fleet support ship, almost useless as solo(unless you know perfectly what your doing).
also most people dont pay attention to its almost forgotten bonus to explosion radius, this thing will actually hurt moving frigs.
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Jandice Ymladris
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:55:00 -
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Some good info about bombers here :) flying one myself but not too often. I enjoy them tho; and their missilebonus allows them to hit even small ships hard with cruisemissiles.
Good thing with the bomb; should look into it and perhaps train it.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Lisento and Miscellaneous Elk
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:28:00 -
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Stealth bombers are VERY FUN in my opinion. I solo in my purifier in low-sec systems. In a gang of them you can have crazy amounts of damage coming out of no where onto a target.
I have been using them in pirate/pvp practices in low-sec for a long time now. If you want to talk about them in real-time convo me in game. I do not use them in 0.0 just so you know.
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Waxau
The Fated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:33:00 -
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Just FYI - Since i posted about getting my SB, ive picked it up from 60 jumps away, got back to my hq system, and been top of the killmail on a falcon and vaga mail :D
God damn, i love these ships!
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:58:00 -
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Think people are starting to really get used to them. Main problem I've seen is usally there's not enuff of them around to get the wolfpack gangs going for normal sized corps. Also people tend to use them badily like becoming a lone target, having everyone looking at them as there cruise missles slowly come down on them. I guess if you really want to use these with success its alot like playing a Sniper in a FPS.
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JonnyRocket
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Posted - 2008.01.17 18:44:00 -
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Probably the most fun I ever had with a ship was me, 6 other SB's and 2 'ceptors out in 0.0. We killed 18 ships of varying classes in 1.5 hours (gate camp).
There's a lot of good advice regarding SB's in this thread. If well coordinated, they approach uberness in certain situations.
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Nikkoli
Immortalis Kruoris
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Posted - 2008.01.17 19:42:00 -
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One thing to keep in mind with stealth bombers...
they cant use the cov ops cloak (wish they could!)
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.01.17 19:46:00 -
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T2 fits are almost impossible, bombers need more CPU!
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Lrd Byron
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Posted - 2008.01.18 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lrd Byron on 18/01/2008 14:31:50
What are neutron bombs exactly? Couldn't find them in the item database
BTW, thanks for the responses all, very informative.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2008.01.18 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lrd Byron
Edited by: Lrd Byron on 18/01/2008 14:31:50
What are neutron bombs exactly? Couldn't find them in the item database
BTW, thanks for the responses all, very informative.
They said neut bombs, as in neutralizer bomb. The actual name of the thing is "Void bomb".
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slaminen
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Posted - 2008.01.18 15:01:00 -
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I've read about them somewhat. Currently training for a buzzard so i will most likely soon also try the manti.
Very much like U-boats, can disorganize, terrorize and kill but when they don't come in packs and have the advantage of suprise, they die like flies, no? 
Only problem i see with this is the fact you have to wait for your prey, you can't warp in and cloak without someone noticing unless your target(s) are afk 
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2008.01.18 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: slaminen
Only problem i see with this is the fact you have to wait for your prey, you can't warp in and cloak without someone noticing unless your target(s) are afk
Well. Otherwise it would just scream overpowered.
Stealthbombers armed with bombs that can jump in at an ideal position anywhere in system while cloaked, launch bombs and then dissapear? Way too much firepower in a far too mobile/flexible package.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.01.18 15:18:00 -
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Anyone use rigs on the SB?
I'm looking at the electronics superiority rigs - is there a combo available that may help you free up some of the mid slots - or perhaps get more effective combat range (lock and damp effectiveness) - or a targeting systems stabilizer to further reduce locking delay from uncloaking?
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Clearspace Operations
Carpe Diem.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 15:45:00 -
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Don't listen to the trolls on eve forums. Most of these idiots have never flown a stealth bomber and spend their time flying megathrons or ravens.
Stealth bomber is probably the most equalizing frigate in the game. If you have two of them with a inty, cruiser, recon, eas, or interdictor.......Say good bye to anything smaller then a battlecruiser.
Why?
Sit 100 km off as the webbed and locked ship can't reach you and watch your target get pummeled with cruise missiles on steroids.
My hound does 850 explosive damage per missile, don't screw around with bombs unless you are in fleet warefare. Pair up with another races stealthbomber to take out it's shield and a hound will do some yummy damage. Manticore does well against all comers but is kinda slow when you need to escape. And Amarr is good at getting rid of pesky shields.
Gate camp at will, trap pirates, surprise an ore thief, mess with a gate camp. (As they are too busy trying to find a cloaked frigate then worrying about what else is coming thru. Happens ALOT.)
If you want to fly one, DO IT. It's a game, if the ship looks fun, train all out for it and it won't disappoint if you have friends near by.
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Daqinson
The Abyss Corporation
Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.18 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Anyone use rigs on the SB?
I'm looking at the electronics superiority rigs - is there a combo available that may help you free up some of the mid slots - or perhaps get more effective combat range (lock and damp effectiveness) - or a targeting systems stabilizer to further reduce locking delay from uncloaking?
Why would you use Rigs on a SB? unless you have a massive bank account I see no reason to fit them.
With trinity I think they changed the locking delay, so not much of a problem, but if you want to go with a sensor booster II, although I dont think you will need it if the ship you are firing on is already webbed and damped. Just come out of cloak and lock on, because you will not be the target anyways :)
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Daqinson
The Abyss Corporation
Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.18 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
Gate camp at will, trap pirates, surprise an ore thief, mess with a gate camp. (As they are too busy trying to find a cloaked frigate then worrying about what else is coming thru. Happens ALOT.)
Cloaked frig by itself is fun until you actually uncloak, fire, recloak and have 3-4 Inty's moving at top speed to get close enough to uncloak you.. Your dead at that point :)
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.01.18 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 18/01/2008 15:59:13
rigs on the SB, how about a sensor calibration reduction rig (shaves another 10% of the lock delay) and a sensor resolution rig (to counter the side-effects of the cloak somewhat)
And these rigs aren't that expensive either.
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Batelle
HOMELESS.
Band of Bums
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Posted - 2008.01.18 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Batelle on 18/01/2008 20:09:02
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