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QuantumX
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Posted - 2004.03.23 10:24:00 -
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Ok this is sort of a rant but i believe a valid concern.
Office space is becoming too rare, and its not because of a shortage of offices but because of large numbers of corps not using the 30+ offices their10 man corp has.
At the moment my corp has two offices, one in minmatar space, and one in caldari space, we have a membership of 35. Now we want to expand into an area of 0.0 space. But do you think i can find a single office space, in a station in the region we wish to have an office in. Not one, and i checked every one.
Instead i look at the corps who have offices at these bases, and they are obviously not used and wasted. Stopping legit corp expansion.
Its the same in safe space finding office space is getting harder and harder.
Something needs to be done, perhaps a limit to offices based on corp size? But that would just play to large corps. Or even better a limit to the number of offices you can have in each empire zone. Perhaps only 1 office per region? no that to me would make more sense.
Well this post is two fold, hopefully a dev will read and perhaps take note, and the other is for others people views of this situation.
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QuantumX
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.03.23 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Adriana on 23/03/2004 10:41:05
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Something needs to be done, perhaps a limit to offices based on corp size? But that would just play to large corps. Or even better a limit to the number of offices you can have in each empire zone. Perhaps only 1 office per region? no that to me would make more sense.
I would agree with you on the office space issue, and say it about research slots as well, but just to point out to you that large corps SHOULD have more offices, I mean they have more people. I think limiting offices by corp size would be a pretty good idea though. Small corps would have to very carefully choose their HQ, and even large corps would have to consider office placement.
I think you may be on to something here, but i guess it's up to the Devs .
One question for you though. The places you are loking for office space in, are they highly sought after systems? If they are I can't really see kicking people out of their spaces unless they are obviously abusing the current office allocation system in place. If they have multiple offices, and want them there even after a limit is imposed based on corp size, I would have to say allow them to choose where they will retain offices.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.23 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 23/03/2004 10:53:18
Making it possible to unrent from afar would help greatly, as would a map option for you to see the own corporate offices.
We're making an effort to slim down the organization but reserve the right to be represented galaxy wide as long as we can afford to.
As a consequence we will be releasing 30 cult retreats back onto the market as their rents expire.
Feel free to mail me for some dates and locations. I will not waste my time travelling around to unrent and we're still not in the office space selling business.
There are still a good many offices unrented in Stain and Curse.
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QuantumX
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Posted - 2004.03.23 11:11:00 -
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Yep i agree that larger corps need more offices, say a rule of around 1 per 5 players in your corp, maybe.
And a map option to see, office / factoy / research space available would be great.
The area i'm looking in is reasonable busy, but looking at the corps that have offices in these stations, proves to me around 50% is wasted.
As for stain/curse, never really been down there, but for my corp to move to that area of 0.0 space, we would need to relocated our empire base as well. but could be fun.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.03.23 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 23/03/2004 12:06:38
I've got lots of offices in 0.0. And I am quite willing to go un-rent them for you, if you buy them from me.
Curse, Venal, Stain, Placid, Syndicate, Aridia. Take your pick, and contact me in game.
But I do think that people who are late on their bills should lose their offices immediately. That would clear up a lot of the problem. But in the mean time, feel free to buy some offices from me. 
Shamis
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.03.23 12:14:00 -
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Ever since I started a roll call to have lab slots and factory slots opened up I have thought the one good solution is the only one to go in all thise issues.
Tie the number of offices into the corps skills.
Atm the number of players in a corp is based on how high skills the CEO has, why not use that to define how many offices you can have.
Say 1 office for each level of the base skill, and 2 offices for each additional related skill (I think there are 3 in all) that would meen a corp of max 50 people could have 5 offices, this is usually more than enough for a corp this size.
By then getting the additional skills you would quickly be able to increase the number of offices to 13 offices, more than enough for any corp in my opinion.
When the game first came out there were corps that would go from station to station opening an office in each in order to cause a shortage and force people to buy slots.
It is possible to get your hands on an office in just about any station you wish atm BUT you will have to pay for it and pay ALOT for the strategic ones.
Im not sure if any 0.0 station office slots are up for sale anymore but I do know there is not a single one open in any of the stations out there.
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2004.03.23 12:44:00 -
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Here is a system I have proposed thousands of times. And here it is again.
Office space renewal depends on if that space has had any activity in the last rent period. And I am not just saying if there is anything in the office either as people could just leave 1 unit of trit in there to keep their office. I mean that if items are regularly being moved in and out of the hangar by members. Other wise if not then they cannot rener their rent for the next period. That way, it makes sure that people don't have more offices than they need.
Restricting by skills is not a bad idea, but in the case of eve-wide freelancer corps that let their members set up anywhere they want with little intercorp coordination, you could end up with a corp of 30+ memebrs needing that many offices.
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Decilius
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Posted - 2004.03.23 12:45:00 -
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how about making offices like factories, if you dont use them you loose them  
thoughts and comments please
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.03.23 12:48:00 -
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As for stain/curse, never really been down there, but for my corp to move to that area of 0.0 space, we would need to relocated our empire base as well. but could be fun.
Please move all your assets to our space more loot for us 
What i would like to see, is that CCP, removes the offices from long gone corps, that have rented the offices. Maybe it could be possible to have an area of effect, you have to use the office in order to be able to maintain it
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.03.23 12:54:00 -
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how about making offices like factories, if you dont use them you loose them
Agreed. But there is one slight problem that needs to be taken care of if that is so: Equipment in said offices...what will happen to it?
It can't just be trashed. That would suck.
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NeoMorph
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Posted - 2004.03.23 13:33:00 -
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What about recruiting stations? Some of these ideas are good but we have stations galaxy wide for recruiting. If CCP gave us an option to free the office and make a recruiting station that doesnt need an office (like HQ does) I'm sure it would free up a load of unused offices.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.03.23 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 23/03/2004 13:42:06
DONT make Offices like Factories! That will suck big time, specialy when you have offices in 0.0 and you only go to that office like once every secound month?
The only things that need to be fixed is closed down Corps with like 1 member/alt. That need to be dealt with!!
while we are at it, lets make Offices a "trade-Able" item, like when you surrender a war, you may offer a office instead of money?
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It is possible to get your hands on an office in just about any station you wish atm BUT you will have to pay for it and pay ALOT for the strategic ones.
welcome to the "real-estate" business... 
Nothing else should be changed...
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Raudka
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Posted - 2004.03.23 14:29:00 -
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As long as someone pays the bills the offices are kept in the station.
So these "dead corporations" still have someone paying the office bills and they are therefor not dead.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.03.23 14:54:00 -
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then i should really get an alt and create a corp and buy any availible office i can find.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.03.23 14:59:00 -
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I think they should raise the rental fee and also make high profile offices (amarr, patot, and such) very expensive 10 mil a month or so. Make it based on average jumps per week or something. Make the lowest ofice 100K per month, maybe 500K. Even a small, actice corp can affort taht. But, who would want to sit on a bill of 100 mil a moth with an alt corp? I doubt anyone would. That, ppl is all that needs to be done.
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2004.03.23 15:01:00 -
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I think rent should be affected by standing with both the station owner and the system owner. Additionally, I think the number of offices should be affected by the corp management skill (or put in a skill that affects it).
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Basileus
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Posted - 2004.03.23 15:29:00 -
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Office space is becoming too rare, and its not because of a shortage of offices but because of large numbers of corps not using the 30+ offices their10 man corp has.
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.03.23 15:30:00 -
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I definately think there should be a higher cost associated with offices. Requiring constant activity, however, is not the answer.
That said, there are many kinds of offices, so don't be rash. We have an office in New Caldari -- nice location. Sadly, it is at a station that has no factory, no reprocessing, no research -- well, to be blunt, it is friggin pointless. We use it as a recruitment station so new members don't have to fly all over tarnation to join us.
We also use offices when we're in a system to help collect ores for the corp, etc. Though we're fairly large and should have a few offices...
All of that said, I have opened a few here and there where I'd LIKE to be able to do some work, but can't! So I have an office but we can't get a factory there. Or an office but there's no research slots open. Some of these stations I had to camp for a few weeks to even get the office space!
It is possible to get offices in coveted locations, you just have to be patient... But I agree that the price should be higher, BUT the price should fluxuated based on:
1. Total traffic into and out of the STATION not the system
2. Extra surcharge for a station that has a FACTORY.
3. Extra surcharge for a station that has a REPROCESSING FACILITY.
4. Extra surcharge for a station that has a RESEARCH LAB
Other than that, frankly, the price should be fairly low.
Base it on supply and demand; surely the Devs could write some code that caused office spaces to fluxuate?
But our crappy office in New Caldari, with none of the things a Corp really needs an office for, really shouldn't cost us much at all. To be honest, I think the House of Records should be paying ME for sending some traffic to their pathetic station. 
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JackDonkey
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Posted - 2004.03.23 15:33:00 -
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my corp has a couple offices out in 0.0 and frankly I'm too much of a candy ass to run through FD-MLJ to go clean them out and unrent therefore I just keep paying the rent.
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NeoMorph
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Posted - 2004.03.23 15:34:00 -
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It's a dog eat dog world, innit?
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2004.03.23 16:40:00 -
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Agreed. But there is one slight problem that needs to be taken care of if that is so: Equipment in said offices...what will happen to it?
Same as what happens to your eqipment in an office if you don't pay a rent. It gets impounded and you need to pay for it to be released.
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The only things that need to be fixed is closed down Corps with like 1 member/alt. That need to be dealt with!!
How exactly would they determine that a single member corp is a dead one? I am a singles corp too and I would not like to wake up one day, log on and find that my entire corp is gone.
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while we are at it, lets make Offices a "trade-Able" item, like when you surrender a war, you may offer a office instead of money?
I like that. Would add another reason to go to war with people for territory. And it could be implimented with whatever system is put in place of the current one.
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I think they should raise the rental fee
The problem there is that many of the larger corps would not feel the dent. Also it would make it harder for small corps to even afford an office.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.03.23 16:44:00 -
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Everything is temporary....
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.03.23 16:44:00 -
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It is possible to get offices in coveted locations, you just have to be patient... But I agree that the price should be higher, BUT the price should fluxuated based on:
1. Total traffic into and out of the STATION not the system
2. Extra surcharge for a station that has a FACTORY.
3. Extra surcharge for a station that has a REPROCESSING FACILITY.
4. Extra surcharge for a station that has a RESEARCH LAB
Other than that, frankly, the price should be fairly low.
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.03.23 17:09:00 -
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Have them unrent like laboratories when you don't use them.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.03.23 17:25:00 -
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i have offices around where i can make quick money if i want, ie 0.0 systems. and in these hangars there is already some ships i can use for mining instead of bringing one each time i feel to mine there...
i have offices where i send my recruits, a 1.0 system. in that office i have a lot of "newb" equipment for the new recruits to take...
i also have several offices in 0.4 systems, one for mining, one for research and one "extra" mining...
sometimes i use the above offices a lot, sometimes i only use some of them, sometimes i dont use any of them, and sometimes i use them everyday!!
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Have them unrent like laboratories when you don't use them.
so this change is pretty stupid!!
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nails
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Posted - 2004.03.23 17:33:00 -
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Actually I noticed something yesterday while killing off a corp one of our members made. The bill for the corp was not paid, and thus all of the stuff in the corp hanger went to the impound. Though the office didn't unrent.. it was still there taking up a slot, and I could do only one of two things. Rerent the office (which took up yet another space (so two offices by the same corp in the same station) or kill the entire corporation which fixed the problem and deleted the office.
I look at this as a bug, and the main reason behind the lack office space around the game. The stations do not kill rented office space for corporations that are no longer activly paying bills/playing the game. These dead corps can't be allowed to hold their offices, the items should be impounded and the office slot freed up.
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Decilius
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Posted - 2004.03.24 12:33:00 -
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[quoteAgreed. But there is one slight problem that needs to be taken care of if that is so: Equipment in said offices...what will happen to it?
It can't just be trashed. That would suck.
How about it getting returned to the CEO's hangar at that station?
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MarkyP
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Posted - 2004.03.24 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: MarkyP on 24/03/2004 14:01:05
**TYPO EDIT**
Also bear in mind the importance of the trade caused by this lack of "resources" in game if you will, as it has been a very good source of income that has sustained both mine, and my corps existance.
As the long serving CEO of what would be deemed a "tiny" corp in the world of EVE, I chose early on to rent offices in prime locations with the hope that one day the game would grow and these investements, (Deemed "Worthless" by many on these very boards at the time), would bear fruit.
Suffice to say, that I have made good money on selling these offices. HOWEVER, it should also be considered that for almost 4 months, I was paying for the lease of the office, and whilst the eventual sale of some of the more premier locations dwarfed that investment, that ISK did not just appear in my account for me to pay the rent.
Whilst the current office scheme does not appear to be refined to its finished state, they remain a sought after resource in EVE, and like ALL sought after resources in EVE, theres an ISK price tag attached, be that paying 4 months of continual rent to nurture an investment, or paying mega ISK for the opportunities and convienience of a highway based office location.
Rest assured to all corps out there that if you find a location you like in EVE, and theres an "Aphex Corportation" office there, I am more then willing to negotiate terms agreeable to both parties for the handing over of the rental lease.
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Chinagirl
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Posted - 2004.03.24 14:08:00 -
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What is it with labs not being available?? i thought that a lab has to be used a certain amount to keep ownership off it?
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Dan Forever
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Posted - 2004.03.24 14:31:00 -
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What about recruiting stations? Some of these ideas are good but we have stations galaxy wide for recruiting. If CCP gave us an option to free the office and make a recruiting station that doesnt need an office (like HQ does) I'm sure it would free up a load of unused offices.
When players can advertise on billboards etc using offices as recruitment ads will no longer be needed.
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