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Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.23 02:34:00 - [61] Cute. I see that exactly zero people live in that zip. If you know the story, please do share. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Professor Falken What you see here on these screens is a fantasy, a computer-enhanced hallucination! Those blips are not real missiles, they're phantoms!
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.01.23 02:51:00 - [62] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Cute. I see that exactly zero people live in that zip. If you know the story, please do share. Can't find the place? here you go The story is simple. No taxation and no representation. You can still get drafted though.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.23 03:15:00 - [63] Aha. Excellent. My first google hit said San Juan had .4 sq km of habitable area and 0 population. Internet ftl. I see your point. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Professor Falken What you see here on these screens is a fantasy, a computer-enhanced hallucination! Those blips are not real missiles, they're phantoms!
Jirai Grepher Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.23 03:29:00 - [64] We pay alot in Taxes yes. But depending on your status (married w/ kids ect.) You get most of it back at the end of the year. _________________ The former and original Pel Mel
Pitt Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:32:00 - [65] wow, who do you guy's work for and where do you live. ppl throwing out 100k a year, 2 weeks paid vaction from hire? I've had quite a few jobs over the years, none gave 2 weeks paid vacation from hire. Most after 5 years with the company would give 2 weeks paid time off. This means 14 day's off with pay, be it sick days, berevment, certain holiday's, vacation, etc.... The 100k a year pay baffles me. I've made close to that before, but my work week was 60-70 hrs. I decided i like working to live and not living to work. And if you can't find happiness with 100k a year, you're not going to find it no matter how much you make, so pls stop complaining about tax's. I live in South Carolina, so my cost of living is lower than when i lived in northern Virgina. But all in all, the normal work week as observed in my area hover's around 50 hrs. Tax's are high and if you're below 60 years of age most of it you'll never see again. For the most part tho tax's in the state's are flat across the incomes, the wealthier groups just hide thier money better. so which would you rather have, 33% on 100k minus your hiding spots or 33% on 23k and no where to hide it. *How many must die in the name of God before the Devil is satisfied*
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.23 05:02:00 - [66] Originally by: Pitt wow, who do you guy's work for and where do you live. ppl throwing out 100k a year, 2 weeks paid vaction from hire? I've had quite a few jobs over the years, none gave 2 weeks paid vacation from hire. Most after 5 years with the company would give 2 weeks paid time off. This means 14 day's off with pay, be it sick days, berevment, certain holiday's, vacation, etc.... The 100k a year pay baffles me. I've made close to that before, but my work week was 60-70 hrs. I decided i like working to live and not living to work. And if you can't find happiness with 100k a year, you're not going to find it no matter how much you make, so pls stop complaining about tax's. Naw man, I'm in Massachusetts and I worked for a grocery store. Overnights. Back when. For 30k. I got the two weeks when I made full time. (for the people across the pond) Full time means I'm locked in to 40 hours a week, no less, but I can work beyond 40 for an increased rate. After 5 years I got three weeks. I made it to twelve years and four weeks. No offense Pitt, but here's the difference between the north and the south: If you were a little more careful to make your grammar correct, you might be employable here in the north, for a lot of money. I've heard many stories of Community College students going down south and getting jobs that Duke University Grads couldn't get. Southerners don't even want to hire Southerners. A Southerner will hire a Northerner even though he hates to, just because he knows the Northerner is a moneymaker. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Professor Falken What you see here on these screens is a fantasy, a computer-enhanced hallucination! Those blips are not real missiles, they're phantoms!
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.23 05:20:00 - [67] i could stand to work two jobs and probably will after school just because i can but tbh if you can hack it you'll be good for cash because two incomes works out pretty good but in some parts of north america it's a nescesity . * *
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.01.23 06:52:00 - [68] Edited by: pwnedgato on 23/01/2008 06:52:08 Originally by: Sister Impotentata No offense Pitt, but here's the difference between the north and the south: If you were a little more careful to make your grammar correct, you might be employable here in the north, for a lot of money. I've heard many stories of Community College students going down south and getting jobs that Duke University Grads couldn't get. Southerners don't even want to hire Southerners. A Southerner will hire a Northerner even though he hates to, just because he knows the Northerner is a moneymaker. I <3 the south (florida in particular) because of this. It's much easier to be the big fishy in the little pond. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Pitt Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:42:00 - [69] Quote: Naw man, I'm in Massachusetts and I worked for a grocery store. Overnights. Back when. For 30k. I got the two weeks when I made full time. (for the people across the pond) Full time means I'm locked in to 40 hours a week, no less, but I can work beyond 40 for an increased rate. After 5 years I got three weeks. I made it to twelve years and four weeks. No offense Pitt, but here's the difference between the north and the south: If you were a little more careful to make your grammar correct, you might be employable here in the north, for a lot of money. I've heard many stories of Community College students going down south and getting jobs that Duke University Grads couldn't get. Southerners don't even want to hire Southerners. A Southerner will hire a Northerner even though he hates to, just because he knows the Northerner is a moneymaker. This is where you fail unfortunatly. Love the attitude though. I've lived and worked in the north, mid-west, and in California (and it wasn't working in grocey stores). Certain area's in the south do lean towards notherners (and southerners) with 2 year degree's instead of 4 year or master degree's, but it doesn't have anything to do with "Never mind the guy on the dean's list from duke, look at this guy from some no name school in mass. He's got to be better for the job." It has to do with the duke grad not taking the job that pay's 30k. Fact is, in alot of the south a 60k household income is very decent and is considered middle class. In alot of the north a 60k household is barly scraping by. That fact is changing due northerners who moved to the sunbelt region thinking they'd live like kings on the backs of "us'ins poo dumm southeneas". Pay has alot to do with cost of living. Living on 30k in the baltimore-d.c. area is tough. That same pay in orangeburg s.c. goes alot futher, but atlanta, charleston, charlotte, etc.. are alot more along the lines of northern city's cost of living. Sorry for going off topic. On a side note, try not to bash anyone else's grammer when you start your whole argument with "naw man". *How many must die in the name of God before the Devil is satisfied*
Brokk Su	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:17:00 - [70] Originally by: Pitt Quote: Naw man, I'm in Massachusetts and I worked for a grocery store. Overnights. Back when. For 30k. I got the two weeks when I made full time. (for the people across the pond) Full time means I'm locked in to 40 hours a week, no less, but I can work beyond 40 for an increased rate. After 5 years I got three weeks. I made it to twelve years and four weeks. No offense Pitt, but here's the difference between the north and the south: If you were a little more careful to make your grammar correct, you might be employable here in the north, for a lot of money. I've heard many stories of Community College students going down south and getting jobs that Duke University Grads couldn't get. Southerners don't even want to hire Southerners. A Southerner will hire a Northerner even though he hates to, just because he knows the Northerner is a moneymaker. This is where you fail unfortunatly. Love the attitude though. I've lived and worked in the north, mid-west, and in California (and it wasn't working in grocey stores). Certain area's in the south do lean towards notherners (and southerners) with 2 year degree's instead of 4 year or master degree's, but it doesn't have anything to do with "Never mind the guy on the dean's list from duke, look at this guy from some no name school in mass. He's got to be better for the job." It has to do with the duke grad not taking the job that pay's 30k. Fact is, in alot of the south a 60k household income is very decent and is considered middle class. In alot of the north a 60k household is barly scraping by. That fact is changing due northerners who moved to the sunbelt region thinking they'd live like kings on the backs of "us'ins poo dumm southeneas". Pay has alot to do with cost of living. Living on 30k in the baltimore-d.c. area is tough. That same pay in orangeburg s.c. goes alot futher, but atlanta, charleston, charlotte, etc.. are alot more along the lines of northern city's cost of living. Sorry for going off topic. On a side note, try not to bash anyone else's grammer when you start your whole argument with "naw man". Wantid-Yankeez wif goode grammerz too sax ar groshuries.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:24:00 - [71] So, bottom line is that US is too huge to be categorized as a whole. You have to look at the individual states and the counties inside them and examine the average salary vs cost of living. The total tax/cost will be a combination of: * Federal Tax (where applies :D) * Income tax (some states don't have) * Sales tax (usually county regulated) * Property Tax (some don't have this one either) * Insurance (varies a lot too) * Housing cost (the single major factor) * Anything else I might have missed I used to live 60 miles away of a mayor city, making 40k on a quiet country neighborhood where a nice new 3 bedroom home was going for 60k. I was living good, bmw, suv for the wife, new PC every year. Now I live 20 miles away from another mayor city, making 55k. It's a quiet suburban neighborhood but houses here start at 300k so the wife have to work too to reach a total of 90k both. Some might consider that 'having 2 jobs'. Here the schools are a LOT better, that was the reason for me to move. But I drive a Toyota now, not even new. And the wife is driving a Suzuki :(. And lets not even mention my outdated PC that can't run trinity. If I were to move to the city (God forbids), I might get a decent house for 500k. Doing what I do in the city I might get a 90k salary. But professional competition there is fierce and backstabbing is always around the corner. I would probably end up expending the extra money in therapy as a direct result of dealing with all the northern smarty-arses on a daily basis.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:29:00 - [72] Originally by: Brokk Su Hehe...30k a year grocery bagging, northern moneymaker. /me cries tears from laughing! Hey chief, that was my stock-jockey job out of high school. Fifteen years ago. I neither do that nor make that now. There are exactly three organizations in Massachusetts that employ graduates of southern universities: The Boston Red Sox, The New England Patriots, and The Boston Celtics. That's the point here, not what I made out of high school. Reading comprehension. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Professor Falken What you see here on these screens is a fantasy, a computer-enhanced hallucination! Those blips are not real missiles, they're phantoms!
AncientGuardian Gallente Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:36:00 - [73] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Ademaro Imre Originally by: 3rdD Dave And that you pay 40% in tax. Where do people come up with this idiocy? Well...may sound extreme for Americans but such rates are far from uncommon. In Denmark the lowest tax rate is 42% and goes up to 68%. Oddly they are also supposedly the happiest people on the planet. the cake is a lie Quote: 'Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts' Quote: If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I would start yelling out letters.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 20:13:00 - [74] i pay ú400 tax per week in the uk, thats $800.. blows hard, 40% tax is the pain in my life!
Brokk Su	Posted - 2008.01.23 20:22:00 - [75] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Brokk Su Hehe...30k a year grocery bagging, northern moneymaker. /me cries tears from laughing! Hey chief, that was my stock-jockey job out of high school. Fifteen years ago. I neither do that nor make that now. There are exactly three organizations in Massachusetts that employ graduates of southern universities: The Boston Red Sox, The New England Patriots, and The Boston Celtics. That's the point here, not what I made out of high school. Reading comprehension. Hey Skippy, Exactly 3? Hah! Anyone can make the claims you've made and name random organizations...Proof or STFU
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.23 20:30:00 - [76] Originally by: Brokk Su Hey Skippy, Exactly 3? Hah! Anyone can make the claims you've made and name random organizations...Proof or STFU Pats Sox Celts However, your point is taken. I was being facetious. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Professor Falken What you see here on these screens is a fantasy, a computer-enhanced hallucination! Those blips are not real missiles, they're phantoms!
Brokk Su	Posted - 2008.01.23 20:37:00 - [77] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Brokk Su Hey Skippy, Exactly 3? Hah! Anyone can make the claims you've made and name random organizations...Proof or STFU Pats Sox Celts However, your point is taken. I was being facetious. In that case, I think you could probably add any janitorial staffing agency
xOm3gAx Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2008.01.23 22:43:00 - [78] well heres one from my pay stub... Pay - 590.63 Tax - 125.83 21.304369910096% If i didnt rent you would also be added property tax to that. This also does not include tax incurred from utilities and telecoms. Tax from the latter generally are around 10-20 usd a month. With property taxes being roughly 200usd per acre where i live. With taking this into account u get... 35.25% then after you add in tax for schooling and a few other things it comes pretty close to 39 so not quite 40 but then this is based from my pay. Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights. [url="http://myeve.eve-online.co
Seroquel	Posted - 2008.01.23 22:44:00 - [79] this is an interesting turn of events on the eve forums. first it is believed americans are fat and lazy but now they're over worked and taxed without any representation. i excpect to see those care packages containing medicine and chocolate arriving at my door soon. seriously, though. it is probably true that a lot of americans do work more than one job, but it all depends on what the OP considers an average american. is it a fat balding white guy with a corvette or a young chicana in a rough neighborhood working two jobs to support her kids? (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2008.01.24 07:50:00 - [80] Is it me or are the tax-rules difficult in USA ? I mean ... I probably pay too much taxes here in Norway by only filling out the name on the papers that the government send me ... and usually I do get back some money from taxes ... but reading this thread it seems to be alot of rules and exeptions that you americans need to know. Seems so confusing to me to be honest. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.24 07:56:00 - [81] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/01/2008 07:56:08 Originally by: Arcticblue2 Is it me or are the tax-rules difficult in USA ? I mean ... I probably pay too much taxes here in Norway by only filling out the name on the papers that the government send me ... and usually I do get back some money from taxes ... but reading this thread it seems to be alot of rules and exeptions that you americans need to know. Seems so confusing to me to be honest. The tax code is a gigantic mess, probably the worst of any tax code in the world, with tens of thousands of exemptions and exceptions, often for specific types of organizations that basically lobbied to get those exemptions. Also, this is somewhat related to this thread.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2008.01.24 10:12:00 - [82] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/01/2008 07:56:08 The tax code is a gigantic mess, probably the worst of any tax code in the world, with tens of thousands of exemptions and exceptions, often for specific types of organizations that basically lobbied to get those exemptions. Also, this is somewhat related to this thread. But are the process of filling out your tax-papers as easy as it is for me ? I recieve a letter from the government about how much I have earned and it tells me how much I will get back in refund or have to pay extra. If I like I can fill out my own tax-papers and like my brother do that and probably gets abit more back because of that. Me I am lazy and usually just send in a code that follows the letter through SMS to the tax-office number.. that tells them I accept the taxpapers and then I just wait for the money. Or does everyone over there have to actually fill out papers no matter if you accept the governments estimates or not ? ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:42:00 - [83] Filling out taxes for the average American is usually straightforward. Trying to get the exemptions which get you more money back is where the trouble starts. Its also where people can get into legal troubles as they try and claim exemptions when they really aren't eligible. Businesses (especially small businesses) have tons of exemptions from write off's and other little things here and there. And like every normal person, we like to get money or give little of it away. What many fail to point out is that small businesses which are the middle class version of the corporate world benefit from these greatly. They also fail to mention that a major corporation will often donate millions of dollars to a charity rather than pay taxes on it (and might even get some back) since its good PR and better for them to get it than the IRS. Frankly they can have their exemptions as long as they keep funding Cancer and Aids charities.
Royaldo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.24 12:00:00 - [84] no where did i just recently see something about american taxes in a movie? was something about federal tax, that there is no law at all for it and former workers for irs had stopped paying it because they couldnt find the law.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2008.01.24 12:01:00 - [85] Originally by: Keorythe Filling out taxes for the average American is usually straightforward. Trying to get the exemptions which get you more money back is where the trouble starts. Its also where people can get into legal troubles as they try and claim exemptions when they really aren't eligible. Businesses (especially small businesses) have tons of exemptions from write off's and other little things here and there. And like every normal person, we like to get money or give little of it away. What many fail to point out is that small businesses which are the middle class version of the corporate world benefit from these greatly. They also fail to mention that a major corporation will often donate millions of dollars to a charity rather than pay taxes on it (and might even get some back) since its good PR and better for them to get it than the IRS. Frankly they can have their exemptions as long as they keep funding Cancer and Aids charities. Ahh so that is pretty much straight forward for everyone then like here in Norway too ... if I want more back trying to get the exemptions then I have to mess more with the papers and as you say ... might not understand all the legal implications around things. About the corporations and other businesses I do not know much about because I have not had my own ... yet. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Benny Hill Caldari Deceased Inc	Posted - 2008.01.25 08:10:00 - [86] Originally by: Arcticblue2 Originally by: Keorythe Filling out taxes for the average American is usually straightforward. Trying to get the exemptions which get you more money back is where the trouble starts. Its also where people can get into legal troubles as they try and claim exemptions when they really aren't eligible. Businesses (especially small businesses) have tons of exemptions from write off's and other little things here and there. And like every normal person, we like to get money or give little of it away. What many fail to point out is that small businesses which are the middle class version of the corporate world benefit from these greatly. They also fail to mention that a major corporation will often donate millions of dollars to a charity rather than pay taxes on it (and might even get some back) since its good PR and better for them to get it than the IRS. Frankly they can have their exemptions as long as they keep funding Cancer and Aids charities. Ahh so that is pretty much straight forward for everyone then like here in Norway too ... if I want more back trying to get the exemptions then I have to mess more with the papers and as you say ... might not understand all the legal implications around things. About the corporations and other businesses I do not know much about because I have not had my own ... yet. The exemptions and deductions occur when someone has extremely high medical bills or owns property. Congressmen write laws to make sure THEY don't have to pay taxes on all the property they buy so they always sneak in convoluted tax laws on different kinds of property and property transactions. Congressmen also try to give every single advocate group they can some sort of deduction, for instance, interest paid on college loans. Unless you are risc and are involved in property management or property deals, simple software can be bought that walks you through the whole process and assuming you have all your paperwork mailed to you by all the various entities covered under the examptions, credits and deductions congress has created, you can do your taxes in less than 30 minutes. Probably faster if you use a newer version of the software you used last year as it automatically uses the previous year's info and data and you just fill in whatever numbers changed. But no mistake, the convulted tax laws in the US are written expressly to benefit lawmakers property holdings and to appeal to whatever group they can. I think the entire tax code is 40,000 pages. Supposedly, H&R Block which does taxes for people, spends LOTS of money on lobbyists to prevent the simplification of the tax codes because they would lose money on the multi-billion dollar industry of filling taxes. Most people would only need the 1040 Short form. And that can be submityted over the internet and completed in as long as it takes you to enter your information and employer inforamtion, then mail the paperwork in the next day.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2008.01.25 09:46:00 - [87] Originally by: Benny Hill The exemptions and deductions occur when someone has extremely high medical bills or owns property. Congressmen write laws to make sure THEY don't have to pay taxes on all the property they buy so they always sneak in convoluted tax laws on different kinds of property and property transactions. Congressmen also try to give every single advocate group they can some sort of deduction, for instance, interest paid on college loans. Unless you are risc and are involved in property management or property deals, simple software can be bought that walks you through the whole process and assuming you have all your paperwork mailed to you by all the various entities covered under the examptions, credits and deductions congress has created, you can do your taxes in less than 30 minutes. Probably faster if you use a newer version of the software you used last year as it automatically uses the previous year's info and data and you just fill in whatever numbers changed. But no mistake, the convulted tax laws in the US are written expressly to benefit lawmakers property holdings and to appeal to whatever group they can. I think the entire tax code is 40,000 pages. Supposedly, H&R Block which does taxes for people, spends LOTS of money on lobbyists to prevent the simplification of the tax codes because they would lose money on the multi-billion dollar industry of filling taxes. Most people would only need the 1040 Short form. And that can be submityted over the internet and completed in as long as it takes you to enter your information and employer inforamtion, then mail the paperwork in the next day. I prefer the norwegian way then ... send in a SMS with a code from your taxpapers, it then registrates and you get a SMS back... done, takes about a few second ? ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.

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