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Moghedian
Caldari
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:19:00 -
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lo Everyone :)
One of our members was mining ice in high sec earlier today. He had his drones deployed and dispatching
rats when an ore thief warped in and flipped his can. The thief then targeted our miner which triggered
the miners auto-target feature.
It appears the drones aggroed the thief thereby allowing the thief to engage the miner. My question is
whether it was the aggro that set the drones off or the auto-target feature that locked the thief? Do
drones auto-protect on aggros? or just locked targets that have aggroed?
Vice-Admiral (acting) Moghedian -
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Verx Interis
Amarr
Aurora Security
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:21:00 -
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As far as I know, drones only aggro when something aggros them or their carrier.
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Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Collegium Mechanicae
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:31:00 -
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petition this one, politly. this seems to be a drone aggro problem I have seen before. even when set to wassname, passive, they can react and get you into trouble with flashing targets.
seen it happen even when the miner (or whoever) does Not retarget onto the aggressive ship ship.
This happens without you giving them a command or going through a pop-up warning which means bug. bug means petition And bug report. (don't forget to make both clear and polite, with plenty of info. don't be afraid to ask for escalation either)
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.01.20 07:31:00 -
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The drones aren't supposed to auto-attack unless you were fired upon... which sounds not to be the case.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
The Fifth Race
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Posted - 2008.01.20 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 20/01/2008 07:34:32
Drones will not automatically fire at a target unless you have ALL the following conditions met:
1) You have your drones set to aggressive
2) Someone shoots you
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3) Someone shoots your drone (in which case ONLY that drone will attack the target)
You can also activate a module on a target with drones out and they will automatically attack your target to assist you.
These are the ONLY ways a drone will attack a target.
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Jack Freely
Caldari Trading Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.20 07:55:00 -
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Sorry to the mods, if this breaks the rules please delete it
There was a problem with using out of range mods to get drones to attack someone, but concord would come and pop the drone user/target not the one using the mod. So the question was did concord show up or did the pirate just pop him solo?
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Aindrias
Amarr
Labteck Corporation LTD.
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.01.20 08:33:00 -
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This appears to be a taxploit.. does that help? =-)
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Cyne Spurr
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.01.20 09:06:00 -
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Yeah seen this happen before if you dont keep good control of your drones, I was in a roind field once testing to see what the mining rate on different cruisers was like, so was in a stripped out cruiser of some type when a ship jumped in and flipped a can I had left lurking around..My drones went aggro and he vaped me :P
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Davos Breemer
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Posted - 2008.01.20 09:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
1) You have your drones set to aggressive
So, how do you set them to passive?
I've looked everywhere on the drone menus and there is no options for passive/aggressive.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2008.01.20 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Davos Breemer
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
1) You have your drones set to aggressive
So, how do you set them to passive?
I've looked everywhere on the drone menus and there is no options for passive/aggressive.
IIRC, it involves right-clicking the drone or drone group in question and selecting whatever menu item most resembles "drone options". This brings up the dialog box wherein you can change their settings.
So let me get this straight: you lock miner w/ aggressive drones out at, say, 50km. You fire up your nos, drones see this as an aggressive act, drones attack, miner gets CONCORDed? Assuming that proves to be true, that's a particularly nasty exploit and that particular coding hole needs fixed with a quickness.
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.01.20 10:51:00 -
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Apart from that, I have seen some odd flagging going on as well. At times if I flip a can the target that wants to TAKE it from their can (mostly the hauler) gets flagged for some reason. Doesn't happen too often, some 2-3 times now in total.
I remember there being a bug regarding that but can't remember specifics on it, I'm not sure on the conditions that have to be met for it (nor do I really want to make use of them) but it DOES happen.
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Major Tomas
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 10:56:00 -
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whas he in the belt when you drones wher engaging the ncps drones sems to serch fore ah new target after you main target have ben killed
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ergatesAB
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.20 12:21:00 -
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A miner blew up
Despite his good intentions
Like a leaf falling
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Moghedian
Caldari
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.01.20 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Freely
So the question was did concord show up or did the pirate just pop him solo?
Concord did not interfere and the miner in question got away with his hull barely intact.
Thank you all for your responses, clearly the auto-target feature can be trouble to the un-initiated. Now the
question is...would those drones have auto-aggroed the thief without a target lock? Somehow I would think so...
another question would be if the drones already deployed and fighting simply switched targets BECAUSE they were
active to begin with...do drones know the difference between a 'Soft' aggro and the real thing?
miners beware! careful with your drones when aggroed by a can flipper.
Vice-Admiral (acting) Moghedian -
Military Division
Hadean Drive Yards
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Feilamya
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Posted - 2008.01.20 16:01:00 -
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as far as I know, AFK mining is not an exploit.
It's not a good idea either...
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.20 16:19:00 -
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Aside from the drone issue, its a very bad idea to have the auto-target back thing on. It can get you into all kinds of trouble in so many situations. Just take it off.
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Rufus MacMaranth
Shadow Front
Lost Children of Eve
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:37:00 -
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It used to be, and may have now been fixed/changed, that the can flipping counts as an aggressive act in of itself. This then causes your drones to attack if they are out.
This had nothing to do with auto target.
Basically you should not leave your drones out if jet can mining. Only pop them when needed.
Cheers,
Ruf.
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Ozzie Asrail
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2008.01.20 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rufus MacMaranth
It used to be, and may have now been fixed/changed, that the can flipping counts as an aggressive act in of itself. This then causes your drones to attack if they are out.
This had nothing to do with auto target.
Basically you should not leave your drones out if jet can mining. Only pop them when needed.
Cheers,
Ruf.
This is how it works.
Whether it's a bug or not i don't know but been like that for ever. Bottom line - don't pop your drones unless you plan on fighting.
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Dahin
Maza Nostra
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:09:00 -
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sweeeeet
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Armoured C
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:15:00 -
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ok here it is
do not keep your drones out and do not AFK mining, this is where all yoru mistakes have fortaken place,
if you see a rat or what ever then deploy your dronesaas it only takes a second to deploy them ..not exactly hard to do and if you AFK mine then you are going to get ore theives come in and steal your ore
if you follow these quite easy instructions then the chances are minimal
also if you have someone to hawl for you then the chances of this happening are none
if someone does can flip you then you will know as the can will not be white but yellow so just make another can
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Davos Breemer
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Davos Breemer
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
1) You have your drones set to aggressive
So, how do you set them to passive?
I've looked everywhere on the drone menus and there is no options for passive/aggressive.
IIRC, it involves right-clicking the drone or drone group in question and selecting whatever menu item most resembles "drone options". This brings up the dialog box wherein you can change their settings.
Nothing on the right-click menus at all. You have to go into the keyboard settings and turn the toggle on with your chosen key-combo. There's no indication either as to which mode is presently active either.
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William Alex
Viscosity
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Posted - 2008.01.20 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: ergatesAB
A miner blew up
Despite his good intentions
Like a leaf falling
Very nice poem
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.20 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Davos Breemer
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
1) You have your drones set to aggressive
So, how do you set them to passive?
I've looked everywhere on the drone menus and there is no options for passive/aggressive.
IIRC, it involves right-clicking the drone or drone group in question and selecting whatever menu item most resembles "drone options". This brings up the dialog box wherein you can change their settings.
So let me get this straight: you lock miner w/ aggressive drones out at, say, 50km. You fire up your nos, drones see this as an aggressive act, drones attack, miner gets CONCORDed? Assuming that proves to be true, that's a particularly nasty exploit and that particular coding hole needs fixed with a quickness.
To change the drone settings you need to be in space.
R-click on the small triangle at the top of the drone menu, it will open a windows with the acrtive/passive options, and the focus fire option.
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Firebyrd
Gallente
Nomadic Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.21 05:44:00 -
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as far as i can remember, 4 years agoe, if u targeted someone who had their drones out the drones would attack the person doing the targeting, as i remember a friend when i started playing 4 years ago, told me not to target her while her dones was deployed do to the auto agression of the drones, this also sometimes caused the drone owner to be destroyed by concord.....
And to my knowledge this still is in game, hasnt been changed
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Dahin
Maza Nostra
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.01.21 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dahin on 21/01/2008 06:30:46
just got the following test:
ship in belt, holding one rat.
I warp in alt, he drops one drone and sents it after the last rat.
I steal from his wreck and stay close to him (<10km).
rat pops, his drone doesn't want to kill me :(
His drones settings are set to focus and agressive.
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Dahin
Maza Nostra
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.01.22 23:06:00 -
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bump in hopes to get a better explanation
Why fly covops? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WOIwlXE9g |
Dahin
Maza Nostra
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.01.24 03:06:00 -
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bumpity.
Will pay isk upon proof of concept.
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