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Tinu Moorhsum Royal Scientific Research Enterprise 25	Posted - 2012.02.11 14:53:00 - [1] - Quote http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12405684 If the story being told here is correct, some CCP pilot brought a jove ship onto TQ and cried and took it away when he lost it. Frankly, this is an issue I would like the CSM to take up with CCP. If they're going to fly on TQ, no matter what they're in, then the same rules of engagement should apply. Normal players can't cry and delete the drop when they get ganked and neither should CCP. If it was for testing something, there's a whole other server for that! T-
Nebula XII The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED 0	Posted - 2012.02.11 15:28:00 - [2] - Quote Tinu Moorhsum wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12405684 Normal players can't cry and delete the drop when they get ganked and neither should CCP. in other words, devs should be able to provide their friends with enigmas and eidolons and stuff as "occasional drops", right?
Tinu Moorhsum Royal Scientific Research Enterprise 25	Posted - 2012.02.11 16:20:00 - [3] - Quote Nebula XII wrote: Tinu Moorhsum wrote: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12405684 Normal players can't cry and delete the drop when they get ganked and neither should CCP. in other words, devs should be able to provide their friends with enigmas and eidolons and stuff as "occasional drops", right? What? That's not what I was saying and it was not what I was proposing. Your post does not relate in any way to what was being said. To repeat the point: if CCP plays on Tranquility they should play with the same rules that affect us all. It's incredibly lame to delete a drop because you don't like what dropped unless all players on TQ have this right. T-
Nebula XII The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED 0	Posted - 2012.02.11 16:36:00 - [4] - Quote Tinu Moorhsum wrote: [quote=Nebula XII][quote=Tinu Moorhsum]http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12405684 To repeat the point: if CCP plays on Tranquility they should play with the same rules that affect us all. It's incredibly lame to delete a drop because you don't like what dropped unless all players on TQ have this right. to repeat the point: what if these guys weren't just lucky but were in conspiracy with the dev to get this rare ship? what if they were even this dev's game characters (yes devs play EVE too) i just wonder what this guy was doing on TQ on a spot in a lowsec with enigma in his cargo?
Tinu Moorhsum Royal Scientific Research Enterprise 25	Posted - 2012.02.11 17:39:00 - [5] - Quote Nebula XII wrote: i just wonder what this guy was doing on TQ on a spot in a lowsec with enigma in his cargo? Well he clearly had no business being there in that ship but what you're accusing him of is pretty extreme. Frankly, if he wanted to give his friends special "favours" there are a lot of other ways he could do it under the radar. Personally, I think he was just being a fool and either panicked or got all ego-hurt about losing his ship and decided to cover it up.... but he can't cover it up completely because the killmail was registered. Either way I find what happened distasteful and I hope it doesn't happen again. T-
Nebula XII The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED 0	Posted - 2012.02.11 17:48:00 - [6] - Quote Tinu Moorhsum wrote: Nebula XII wrote: i just wonder what this guy was doing on TQ on a spot in a lowsec with enigma in his cargo? Well he clearly had no business being there in that ship but what you're accusing him of is pretty extreme. T- it's not like something new for EVE http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/op-ed/847-Jumpgate-EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep
Nebula XII The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED 0	Posted - 2012.02.11 17:50:00 - [7] - Quote Tinu Moorhsum wrote: [quote=Nebula XII] I think he was just being a fool and either panicked or got all ego-hurt about losing his ship and decided to cover it up.... but he can't cover it up completely because the killmail was registered. Either way I find what happened distasteful and I hope it doesn't happen again. T- i don't think it was his own decision as i seriously doubt any eve dev can give away plexes left and right%)
Tinu Moorhsum Royal Scientific Research Enterprise 25	Posted - 2012.02.11 18:02:00 - [8] - Quote Nebula XII wrote: Tinu Moorhsum wrote: [quote=Nebula XII] I think he was just being a fool and either panicked or got all ego-hurt about losing his ship and decided to cover it up.... but he can't cover it up completely because the killmail was registered. Either way I find what happened distasteful and I hope it doesn't happen again. T- i don't think it was his own decision as i seriously doubt any eve dev can give away plexes left and right%) Yeah. that's the only case I've ever heard about. Do you have anything more recent? IIRC the BOB BPO debacle took place in early 2006. that was 6 years ago. Do you have any evidence that anything like that has taken place since? T-
Nebula XII The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED 0	Posted - 2012.02.11 18:14:00 - [9] - Quote Tinu Moorhsum wrote: Nebula XII wrote: Tinu Moorhsum wrote: [quote=Nebula XII] I think he was just being a fool and either panicked or got all ego-hurt about losing his ship and decided to cover it up.... but he can't cover it up completely because the killmail was registered. Either way I find what happened distasteful and I hope it doesn't happen again. T- i don't think it was his own decision as i seriously doubt any eve dev can give away plexes left and right%) Yeah. that's the only case I've ever heard about. T- i think that's the only case that went to the public and of course i don't accuse CCP as it is of anything. i just find suspicious the actions of a particular CCP employee and think CCP made the right decision and removed the ship from the game.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 571	Posted - 2012.02.11 21:12:00 - [10] - Quote I don't think the Dev had a choice about removing the Enigma. Its simple, at this time, players are not allowed to have such ships.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 374	Posted - 2012.02.11 21:50:00 - [11] - Quote Posting in a thread full of "tinfoil hattery." That's a "bughunter" DEV ship and is normally supposed to be "invisible" to players. Most likely he/she was monitoring/looking for an issue on TQ and forgot to fit a cloak. Dunno what that Enigma was doing in the cargo... but w/e. It was a lucky kill on someone whom people shouldn't have been able to kill. Nothing more. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Riley Moore Sentinum Research 323	Posted - 2012.02.11 22:09:00 - [12] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Posting in a thread full of "tinfoil hattery." That's a "bughunter" DEV ship and is normally supposed to be "invisible" to players. Most likely he/she was monitoring/looking for an issue on TQ and forgot to fit a cloak. Dunno what that Enigma was doing in the cargo... but w/e. It was a lucky kill on someone whom people shouldn't have been able to kill. Nothing more. This. Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 333	Posted - 2012.02.12 03:00:00 - [13] - Quote Tinfoil and greed thread. Only hilmar should feel so sad over not getting everything he wanted. Signature removed, CCP Phantom
2bhammered Perkone Caldari State 65	Posted - 2012.02.13 11:07:00 - [14] - Quote Let me get this straight, so you propose tin foil hats? I don't understand the OP...
Tinu Moorhsum Royal Scientific Research Enterprise 25	Posted - 2012.02.13 11:15:00 - [15] - Quote 2bhammered wrote: Let me get this straight, so you propose tin foil hats? I don't understand the OP... LOL.... Ok... ok.... let's see.. I've been accused of tin-foil-hattery, greed, and being incomprehensible. It's no wonder the devs never read these threads... they always seem to degenerate into chest-thumping forum PVP.... boring The only point being made here is this: if DEV's decide to play on tranquility they should play by the same rules as the rest of us. it's that simple. It didn't happen in this case and I don't think that's right. T-
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2044	Posted - 2012.02.13 11:24:00 - [16] - Quote Tinu Moorhsum wrote: 2bhammered wrote: Let me get this straight, so you propose tin foil hats? I don't understand the OP... LOL.... Ok... ok.... let's see.. I've been accused of tin-foil-hattery, greed, and being incomprehensible. It's no wonder the devs never read these threads... they always seem to degenerate into chest-thumping forum PVP.... boring The only point being made here is this: if DEV's decide to play on tranquility they should play by the same rules as the rest of us. it's that simple. It didn't happen in this case and I don't think that's right. T- Yes, they do play by the same rules when they go on TQ with their player characters. Everything in the game, every ship, everything in your hangars is considered CCP's property by the EULA, and as such they can take away things like Enigmas that drop from dev ships. yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7 got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Killer Gandry V I R I I Ineluctable. 47	Posted - 2012.02.13 14:45:00 - [17] - Quote I know a lot of people don't read any rules but let me highlight the part of the rule people agree to when playing EVE which can easy be used. CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOUGÇÖVE CREATED. To take it even further I could petition several people who replied in this thread under ToS rule 1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. I am fairly sure I can make a case in regards to the underlined parts of that rule.
Drake Draconis Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans 321	Posted - 2012.02.13 15:15:00 - [18] - Quote Tinu Moorhsum wrote: 2bhammered wrote: Let me get this straight, so you propose tin foil hats? I don't understand the OP... LOL.... Ok... ok.... let's see.. I've been accused of tin-foil-hattery, greed, and being incomprehensible. It's no wonder the devs never read these threads... they always seem to degenerate into chest-thumping forum PVP.... boring The only point being made here is this: if DEV's decide to play on tranquility they should play by the same rules as the rest of us. it's that simple. It didn't happen in this case and I don't think that's right. T- It's no wonder people are actually stupid/dense enough to post this **** on the forums expecting the CSM to do anything about it when they know for a fact they wont. Oh wat.... ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7!
Tinu Moorhsum Royal Scientific Research Enterprise 26	Posted - 2012.02.13 16:48:00 - [19] - Quote Drake Draconis wrote: It's no wonder people are actually stupid/dense enough to post this **** on the forums expecting the CSM to do anything about it when they know for a fact they wont. Oh wat.... I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the player reprsentatitive to ... er... repsensent the players' interests. If they can't ... or won't then the whole concept of the CSM is at issue here.... If PL, Raiden. or Shadow were able, unlike all other players, to "delete" undesireable losses because they didn't like what dropped then people would object. My only point here is that CCP should play according to the same rules as everyone else if they decide to play on TQ. That's all. T-
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 385	Posted - 2012.02.13 23:20:00 - [20] - Quote Tinu Moorhsum wrote: if DEV's decide to play on tranquility they should play by the same rules as the rest of us. Except that that particular DEV was in a ship that is commonly known as the "bughunter/cockroach ship" and was most likely looking for and/or monitoring a problem on TQ. No one is supposed to see this ship... much less kill it. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown

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