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Clever Drake Minmatar Joint Operations	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:54:00 - [1] I have heard that Minmatar ships are great, but only up to Battlecruiser level, and that their BS's weren't that good. Is this true?
Mavil	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:56:00 - [2] Somewhat. The Tempest isn't all that good (basically what it can do the Typhoon can do better and cheaper). The Typhoon can put out a lot of damage, but it's for close-medium range. The Maelstrom however is fantastic imo. A beast of a tank and enormous DPS.
Alexace Gallente Bright New Dawn Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:03:00 - [3] Typhoon= good Pest= mediocre Mael= Awesome Maelstrom has a raven tank, but on *****. My buddies gets over 1300 shield/cycle and he only has t2 stuff. Devs, give Amarr some love...
Clever Drake Minmatar Joint Operations	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:05:00 - [4] Thank you for the replies. I was thinking Mael, but I haven't really focused on shield tanking, so that will probably add time until I can fly one... O well :)
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:07:00 - [5] Quote: The Tempest isn't all that good (basically what it can do the Typhoon can do better and cheaper) apart from snipe, Typhoon also has less powergrid.
Ekuwy Oizoa Anthrax Foundation	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:14:00 - [6] Tempest is imo the best bs in the game, but whatever.
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Mavil Somewhat. The Tempest isn't all that good (basically what it can do the Typhoon can do better and cheaper). The Typhoon can put out a lot of damage, but it's for close-medium range. The Maelstrom however is fantastic imo. A beast of a tank and enormous DPS. I'd say its decentish imo, due it being a huge brick easily easily shut down with EW and with a smallish cargo hold as usual so packing boosters and a zillion variety of ammo types gets quite tight. So yea, you got a nice tank but all it means is that your friends doing the tackling will get blown up first, and you cant fit a shield transfer module because the requirements are rather silly. The tempest has a flimsy tank , not that much of a good gank, and the "optimal" range is quite narrow and doesn't work that well these days. So yes, being sort of speedy it means that 1v1 it may disengage and run away, but that doesn't win engagements. It now sucks even more as a sniper. The phoon for some silly ass reason has more shields than armor. You could say its for versatility, but with 4 meds I can't see anyone putting any kind of a serious tank there now that there's no nanoing for it. A decent tank means no serious gank, and its easily outtanked and outganked. The 4/4 split weapon system? It sucks donkey balls and fitting any kind of damage module is not a very sane thing to do. But whatever. In the blob it doesn't matter too much what you fly, and the blob isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Ekuwy Oizoa Tempest is imo the best bs in the game, but whatever. It used to be Plate setups are all too popular and its incredibly hard breaking tanks with a pest. 7th turret on the pest would make things sweet though
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:23:00 - [9] Tempest is a very competent sniper and relatively cheap, too, and is without a doubt the only battleship whose designer i would want to make sweet, sweet love with.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Ekuwy Oizoa Tempest is imo the best bs in the game, but whatever. Please explain. I wanted to use a Pest for PVP so bad when i first started playing...now i hear its not that good compared to the other (all races) BS's. I mean it's not got great DPS or tank..and the two 'utillity slots' and extra meds are near useless since ecm/nos was nerfed. Meh! ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Eaiaden Minmatar The Knighthawks Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:37:00 - [11] Typhoon = hardcore armor tank (7 low slots), forget dmg mods, go all out tanking with a AB / MWD, wep, scram and a heavy cap injector, adds up to a wery deadly adversary up close and personal, higs packed with autos, a couple of cruise missiles and 2 or 3 heavy neuts (less cruise missiles then), and you got a mean tackler killer, vagas drop like flies. Tempest = dont know, i think they suxx and never cared to try them out. Maelstrom = heavy shield tank, with BS ll 5 and a couple of shield boost amplifiers you get insane shield reps, for wery little cap, 8 gun slots, id like to see alot of ships tank that alongside some good T2 drones, not saying no one can tank a good skilled maelstrom pilot, im just saying they bite harder than the average BS. Tbh, as minnie pilot, i think we got some good BS's, armor tanker, shield tanker, and then the joker pest, allthough, in fleets, a handfull of theese in a sniper squad do punch quite a bit. We got all opportunities, if you like it close and personal, go with phoon or meal, both shine in close range combat with their heavy tanks. If ur more into ranged fights, still go with the mael, 8 turret slots will allow you to cause mayhem from 200km distance. So whoever told you minnie BS's arent good, prolly havent tried them out, its a general oppinion that minnie ships suxx koz they used to look awfull, far from the truth, they just require more skillz than other races usually do before they are any good.
Dnakath Caldari THE KNIGHTS OF CYDONIA	Posted - 2008.01.21 17:33:00 - [12] I Love the MAELSTROM im getting a little over 2000rep per cycle and only t2 fit.... with my same setup using faction i can get 2600-2700rep per cycle
Clever Drake Minmatar Joint Operations	Posted - 2008.01.21 17:56:00 - [13] Sweet, because I was actually considering flying other races' BSs, even though I really didn't want to. Thanks again for the replies.
Ariel Darklight Caldari Model Of Aggression	Posted - 2008.01.21 18:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Alexace Typhoon= good Pest= mediocre Mael= Awesome Maelstrom has a raven tank, but on ***. My buddies gets over 1300 shield/cycle and he only has t2 stuff. why can't we use the word ***? is it offensive to people?
AstroPhobic Minmatar Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.21 22:19:00 - [15] Minmatar battleship have never been good at PvE (or any of the other ships, honestly). However, their PvP capabilities are VERY skill intensive. I have 20mil SP, and I'm still struggling to use them effectively. They pretty much need to be a full T2 fit to see comparison to the other battleships. Tempest is an excellent fleet ship, but absolutely needs to be full T2 to be effective. Since the HP boost, their effectiveness has dropped a little bit. A full gank, quake L, 1400 II tempest can still take a Cruiser hull to hull in a single blast (or kill it if it's T1) if they're ignorant of it's presence. Tremor is an excellent ammo too, that makes up for minmatar's natural lack of damage from their sub-par t1 ammo (d'oh!) I used to fly a phoon for PvE since missiles aren't very skill intensive, however I haven't seen the inside of one for over 2 years. I have never flown a maelstrom as it just pales in comparison to the raw power of a double damage bonus - Battleship 5 - Tempest.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.21 22:23:00 - [16] The Tempest is like the swiss army knife of battleships. The Typhoon can be fit a couple different ways, and can put out pretty good DPS with a huge tank. The Maelstrom fields a massive shield tank, and puts out great DPS. But, y'know, shield tank....
xyeLz	Posted - 2008.01.21 23:02:00 - [17] If you're still looking for more opinions, Vanessa Vale said everything I thought and more.
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.21 23:18:00 - [18] imho you can go a real good tank with the tempest, one of the best active tanks out there actually. Try: 6x 650 II /w Barrage/Hail 2x Arb siege (you need the dps over the neuts, now more than ever) 1x Heavy II injector w/800 1x AB II 1x Med Injector w/800 1x WD II 1x Web (overload it and keep targets pinned) 2x LAR II 3x Active hardeners II 1x dmg control II 3x Nanobot accelerators 5% reduction of reppers imp, should have you Lar's pulsing like shield boosters and overloading them will make you able to tank ALOT of dps in a short space of time, while you knock hard on most ships weakest resistance Explosive, agaisnt a mega with hail, plate or not its going to hurt him, just carry ecm drones... Your cap is stable just you really need to use some skill in energy management though chief. Damn talking this passionate about the ship again makes me want it...
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.22 00:31:00 - [19] Originally by: kessah imho you can go a real good tank with the tempest, one of the best active tanks out there actually. Try: 6x 650 II /w Barrage/Hail 2x Arb siege (you need the dps over the neuts, now more than ever) 1x Heavy II injector w/800 1x AB II 1x Med Injector w/800 1x WD II 1x Web (overload it and keep targets pinned) 2x LAR II 3x Active hardeners II 1x dmg control II 3x Nanobot accelerators 5% reduction of reppers imp, should have you Lar's pulsing like shield boosters and overloading them will make you able to tank ALOT of dps in a short space of time, while you knock hard on most ships weakest resistance Explosive, agaisnt a mega with hail, plate or not its going to hurt him, just carry ecm drones... Your cap is stable just you really need to use some skill in energy management though chief. Damn talking this passionate about the ship again makes me want it... Me too! Hmm... looks ok this fit. Overloading is pretty cool...iv'e seen a few vids where pilots use this to great effect. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Centurion Redux Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.22 00:41:00 - [20] Originally by: AstroPhobic Minmatar battleship have never been good at PvE (or any of the other ships, honestly). However, their PvP capabilities are VERY skill intensive. I have 20mil SP, and I'm still struggling to use them effectively. They pretty much need to be a full T2 fit to see comparison to the other battleships. Tempest is an excellent fleet ship, but absolutely needs to be full T2 to be effective. Since the HP boost, their effectiveness has dropped a little bit. A full gank, quake L, 1400 II tempest can still take a Cruiser hull to hull in a single blast (or kill it if it's T1) if they're ignorant of it's presence. Tremor is an excellent ammo too, that makes up for minmatar's natural lack of damage from their sub-par t1 ammo (d'oh!) I used to fly a phoon for PvE since missiles aren't very skill intensive, however I haven't seen the inside of one for over 2 years. I have never flown a maelstrom as it just pales in comparison to the raw power of a double damage bonus - Battleship 5 - Tempest. This is a big pile of poo poo, i fly tempests and maelstroms with 8mil sp and do just fine, most of the time topping kms on gatecamps.
Liisa Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.01.22 00:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Centurion Redux Originally by: AstroPhobic Minmatar battleship have never been good at PvE (or any of the other ships, honestly). snip This is a big pile of poo poo, i fly tempests and maelstroms with 8mil sp and do just fine, most of the time topping kms on gatecamps. Actually, I agree that they are skill intensive. Not if you specialize in just one thing, like putting out a lot of damage at a gate camp, agreed. If, however, you want to use all minmatar ships to their fullest, you have a lot of different skill trees that you need to learn. Gunnery, navigation, missiles, drones, etc. These counts double if you want to use both the shield and armor tanking ships. With 8 mil sps, I doubt that you have both t2 shield, t2 armor, t2 drones and t2 projectiles trained. Of course you don't need it when you are sitting in a maelstrom with a named t1 shield tank and mabye t2 ACs for the barrage, but then gate camping is not a very skill (both sp and rl) intensive way to pvp. Where minmatar are skill intensive when you start using them outside of the normal tank/gank box. A tempest, for instance, is a very good battleship, however it does not do the normal min/max well that most people fly these days. It isn't top of the hill in gank, nor in tank. Ever since the HP boost and the nos nerf the tempest has, in my eyes, suffered because the lower dps you have to accept in using projectiles means you have to keep your tank up even longer while keeping your cap as low as possible to gain the advantage of drawing cap from your opponent. Once you add in the need to fight in falloff there is a lot of micromanagement involved in such fights meaning that one little slip might spell disaster. It is a lot easier to fly a blaster hyperion or AC maelstrom where the number of factors your have to control are less. Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.22 01:40:00 - [22] Mini BS have a good mix Typh = armor tanking, often used as a close - mid range high DPS ship (AC's Torps & hvy drones). Low cost and has uses in PvP and PvE. Pest = versitile, can be used as close range or sniper. Good alpha, DPS and lowish cost sniper. Can be shield or armor tanked. Has wings. Storm = Can be fit for a Uber sick Tank. Can snipe but much more $$$ than a pest. Can Fit AC's for closer range but it's a little fat. Good BS.
Eclip SUBLIME L.L.C. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.22 01:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Centurion Redux Originally by: AstroPhobic Minmatar battleship have never been good at PvE (or any of the other ships, honestly). However, their PvP capabilities are VERY skill intensive. I have 20mil SP, and I'm still struggling to use them effectively. They pretty much need to be a full T2 fit to see comparison to the other battleships. Tempest is an excellent fleet ship, but absolutely needs to be full T2 to be effective. Since the HP boost, their effectiveness has dropped a little bit. A full gank, quake L, 1400 II tempest can still take a Cruiser hull to hull in a single blast (or kill it if it's T1) if they're ignorant of it's presence. Tremor is an excellent ammo too, that makes up for minmatar's natural lack of damage from their sub-par t1 ammo (d'oh!) I used to fly a phoon for PvE since missiles aren't very skill intensive, however I haven't seen the inside of one for over 2 years. I have never flown a maelstrom as it just pales in comparison to the raw power of a double damage bonus - Battleship 5 - Tempest. This is a big pile of poo poo, i fly tempests and maelstroms with 8mil sp and do just fine, most of the time topping kms on gatecamps. I will give u 1 word aplha thats why u get top. let me guess ur using artys? and if ur getting top damage then that a pretty poor gate camp or are you the only BS in the camp? -------------------------------------------------- It is not what u are underneath, but what you do that defines you
Maeltstome Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.22 02:37:00 - [24] Originally by: kessah Originally by: Ekuwy Oizoa Tempest is imo the best bs in the game, but whatever. It used to be Plate setups are all too popular and its incredibly hard breaking tanks with a pest. 7th turret on the pest would make things sweet though True, but you ever seen a plated mega go "Oh a pest! follow!" A minute or 2 later, he's capped out, 70km off gate , and you have hail loaded. But we've seen FP 2+3 so you know pest taccies already :p ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Megan Maynard Minmatar Clearspace Operations Carpe Diem.	Posted - 2008.01.22 05:12:00 - [25] Edited by: Megan Maynard on 22/01/2008 05:12:21 All this talk about battleships is making my butt bigger just reading about it. The fun, and craziness of minmatar is spending WAAAAAAAAAAY too much on a ship that could pop instantly if it ever stopped moving. That's why some get sunglasses. Me. I just got a *****in haircut.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.22 08:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Vanessa Vale Originally by: Mavil Somewhat. The Tempest isn't all that good (basically what it can do the Typhoon can do better and cheaper). The Typhoon can put out a lot of damage, but it's for close-medium range. The Maelstrom however is fantastic imo. A beast of a tank and enormous DPS. I'd say its decentish imo, due it being a huge brick easily easily shut down with EW and with a smallish cargo hold as usual so packing boosters and a zillion variety of ammo types gets quite tight. So yea, you got a nice tank but all it means is that your friends doing the tackling will get blown up first, and you cant fit a shield transfer module because the requirements are rather silly. The tempest has a flimsy tank , not that much of a good gank, and the "optimal" range is quite narrow and doesn't work that well these days. So yes, being sort of speedy it means that 1v1 it may disengage and run away, but that doesn't win engagements. It now sucks even more as a sniper. The phoon for some silly ass reason has more shields than armor. You could say its for versatility, but with 4 meds I can't see anyone putting any kind of a serious tank there now that there's no nanoing for it. A decent tank means no serious gank, and its easily outtanked and outganked. The 4/4 split weapon system? It sucks donkey balls and fitting any kind of damage module is not a very sane thing to do. But whatever. In the blob it doesn't matter too much what you fly, and the blob isn't going anywhere anytime soon. If you fly your Tempest with just optimal in mind, you kinda fail.
Daren Kai Caldari War Tactical Groups	Posted - 2008.01.22 09:44:00 - [27] Edited by: Daren Kai on 22/01/2008 09:44:40 Tempest - best fleet sniper. Great volley damage, good dps, good agility, low price, enough optimal, good falloff. Tank is bad, but if you get focused you dead anyways (Tempest even can warp away. Good agility, remember ? ) Phoon - i don't know, you can run missions or something. Mael - Good close range BS.
NateX THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.22 10:32:00 - [28] Adding another turret point to the tempest would bring it inline with mega and newly the ravens :) I dont think it would be overpowered since you dont got pg enough to fit full rack of 800's with a heavy tank :) R0ADKILL-killboard \|
Najenna Minmatar The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.22 10:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Ekuwy Oizoa Tempest is imo the best bs in the game, but whatever. /Signed
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.22 10:44:00 - [30] Originally by: kessah Originally by: Ekuwy Oizoa Tempest is imo the best bs in the game, but whatever. It used to be Plate setups are all too popular and its incredibly hard breaking tanks with a pest. 7th turret on the pest would make things sweet though if you manage to fti 2 siege II in highs you get pretty good dps now with the torp buff. The problem is tempest cannot hold any decent tank with only 6 low slots and no tank bonus (specially sicen you will likely want 2 Gyro II in lows). ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough

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