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The Chauffeur
Gear Ratio
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Posted - 2008.01.23 02:25:00 -
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How is it possible for me to make money with a POS in high sec? Let's say I'm near a market area so getting supplies to it won't be a problem. Do I rent out lab space? production space? What's the best way to cover costs and actually make money?
Do i need to spend money on turrets?
Which size tower would you recommend? And what configuration? Thanks, tC .... EVE Online. Become An Hero.
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Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club
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Posted - 2008.01.23 02:57:00 -
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about the only thing you CAN use a high sec POS for is research (I believe the only time manufacturing in a high sec POS is worthwhile is for bulk T2 production)
Renting out labs to people outside your Alliance is a PITA as they have to put a research alt in your corp, or they have to trust you with their BPOs (both of which can be sticky situations) That being said, there are alot of corps that can and do make a profit doing exactly this. They capitalize on the fact that there are long waiting lists to use public labs in empire.
The other option is to research and sell BPO sets, or make BPC sets (BPOs bring in more iskies, but BPCs keep em comin back for more and are more affordable for more people)
Caldari/Gurista towers are the best for research POSes as they have the most CPU. A small tower (up to 3 labs) is good for personal or small corp use, a medium tower for a larger industrial corp, and a large tower for alliance or very busy industrial corp.
you should always buy defenses for a POS, a common trick is to offline the labs and online heavy defenses if you get wardec'd, rather than try to leave everything running all the time. I prefer to load up on EW and shield hardeners, using the "make it more trouble than its worth" approach.
Keep in mind that depending on the tower type (faction towers are best in the long run), local markets, and whether or not you mine ice yourselves, you're looking at about 40 mil a month average for fuel for a small pos, around 80 mil for a medium, and about 160mil for a large, in addition to the cost of the tower, labs, and defenses (we have a small 3-lab research POS that cost us about 500 mil to set up)
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Aslord
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Posted - 2008.01.23 05:59:00 -
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1. copy 2. invent 3. produce 4. sale 5. repeat
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Casa Luna
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Posted - 2008.01.23 13:24:00 -
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The advantage of a High Sec POS is that it gives you free research and production slots. On a station you usually have to wait some weeks until the next research slot is free. Or some hours/days for the next free factory slot - depending on the current station.
You can earn money mainly by producing T2 items:
A Rapid Equipment assembly array i.e. produces 35% faster as a station factory slot - but needs 20% more ressources. On T2 production the 20% more ressources arenŠt a big problem. But producing 35% more T2 modules in the same time gives you a big extra profit compared to producing in a station.
If you donŠt have a T2 BPO yourself you can research & copy a T1 BPO in your POS and use the T1 copies to invent T2 BPCs. Researching, Copying and Invention is also much faster on a POS (up to 50%).
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Lindsay Fox
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Posted - 2008.01.24 04:46:00 -
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Hi-Sec poses are a lot like T2 BPOs and training adv. learning skills to V: The payback time is huuuuuge. Do the math and see if you would be happy doing all the work that is required for the number of months it would take to pay off compared to using NPC facilities.
I did the math, it wasn't worth it, not by a long shot. I found lots of NPC research slots with a wait < 5 days in high-sec. It really isn't that long a time. And there are systems two jumps from Jita with dozens of free production slots.
If you fly around 0.5 systems going moon-to-moon, you will find a ton of abandoned poses. These are signs. They say 'it's not worth it' :)
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Eamon Wouk
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Posted - 2008.01.24 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsay Fox Hi-Sec poses are a lot like T2 BPOs and training adv. learning skills to V: The payback time is huuuuuge. Do the math and see if you would be happy doing all the work that is required for the number of months it would take to pay off compared to using NPC facilities.
My 2B setup with large faction tower paid for itself in a month or so with invention and I was being lazy. Inventing without your own labs is possible, but much more work.
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Kur'Dekaija
Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.24 11:18:00 -
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I got myself a medium faction tower and it has been so worth it. Short copy time for those inventions :)
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Ciuby
Gallente Romania Production Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.24 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsay Fox Hi-Sec poses are a lot like T2 BPOs and training adv. learning skills to V: The payback time is huuuuuge. Do the math and see if you would be happy doing all the work that is required for the number of months it would take to pay off compared to using NPC facilities.
I did the math, it wasn't worth it, not by a long shot. I found lots of NPC research slots with a wait < 5 days in high-sec. It really isn't that long a time. And there are systems two jumps from Jita with dozens of free production slots.
If you fly around 0.5 systems going moon-to-moon, you will find a ton of abandoned poses. These are signs. They say 'it's not worth it' :)
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William Ortega
Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.24 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ciuby
Originally by: Lindsay Fox Hi-Sec poses are a lot like T2 BPOs and training adv. learning skills to V: The payback time is huuuuuge. Do the math and see if you would be happy doing all the work that is required for the number of months it would take to pay off compared to using NPC facilities.
I did the math, it wasn't worth it, not by a long shot. I found lots of NPC research slots with a wait < 5 days in high-sec. It really isn't that long a time. And there are systems two jumps from Jita with dozens of free production slots.
If you fly around 0.5 systems going moon-to-moon, you will find a ton of abandoned poses. These are signs. They say 'it's not worth it' :)
honestly, you should do the math again
Actually depending on his skills and more importantly his start up capital, the math does not always work out as you think . I have a hi sec POS. I have wanted one for a long time before I actually was able to afford and utilize one. Unless you have the capital to buy a number of BPO's and the capital to do invention on a reasonable large scale (+ manufacturing if you're so inclined). Renting slots often is cheaper.
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