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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.03.26 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Discorporation on 27/03/2004 12:42:25
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Its not enough to release a few slaves.. its time
for rules and laws against slavery, it is time for punishing those who violate the laws that are yet to be made.
Yes. Outlaw aspects of the amarrian religion. The same religion that gives the Emperor a claim to authority.
That would be a smart move ..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Ardor
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Posted - 2004.03.26 17:22:00 -
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Its not enough to release a few slaves.. its time
for rules and laws against slavery, it is time for punishing those who violate the laws that are yet to be made.
Yes. Outlaw aspects of the amarrian religion. The same religion that gives the Emperor a clai to authority.
That would be a smart move ..
That hits the nail...
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.03.26 23:46:00 -
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damn slave children always crying about this and that
Just save us all the trouble and bow down and kiss my boot
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Ashka Neris
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Posted - 2004.03.27 00:13:00 -
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How bout I shoot it off instead
save you getting it dirty again
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Proud to be half Brutor
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.03.27 00:50:00 -
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You are welcome to try peasant
Though when you fail
Dont be suprised when you wake up in my hangar with the reast of my 50,000 slaves
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Golan Trevize
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Posted - 2004.03.27 10:38:00 -
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From:TES Hierach Apocalypse class.
Location:Dom Torsad Amarr Prime.
Commnading officer:Admiral Trevize.
***Bald Admiral clad in black uniform appears on holo***
It warms this old warhorses heart, to see pilots such you and your organizations put your lives in peril to defend the Empire.
***Bald Admiral salutes***
Show our enemies no mercy, hunt them down like wild beasts until they are no more..
***Bald admiral fades away***
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships. |
Ezar Vorbarra
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Posted - 2004.03.29 05:53:00 -
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He does not have the control either.. he does not have
100% of his people behind his decisions..
Its not enough to release a few slaves.. its time
for rules and laws against slavery, it is time for punishing those who violate the laws that are yet to be made.
please excuse my impatience, we think the time has come
for relasing our people and roll out some punishement
to those who deserves it.
While 100% of the Amarr people are not behind the Emperor, (Read: Khanid and the Dark Amarr) most of us are. He rules by divine right. His every breath is life to our empire; whether an individual follows him or not does not affect his mandate to govern. Certainly not every Gallente likes their elected government, yet they govern nonetheless.
As for the criticism of his Administration:
1. Yes, he did free some slaves as a goodwill gesture to the minmatar people. He is free to do whatever he wishes with his own property. Emperor Doriam Kor-Azor II is merely following the vision laid out in the Pax Amarria. His goal is thousands of years of peace and prosperity, with the Amarr Empire at the forefront.
2. Yes he did send diplomats to speak with Sansha's Nation. It was worth the gamble of one diplomatic team to learn whether or not the lunatic Sansha is still alive. Does anyone know? Have you ever played chess? Have you ever risked a knight in order to expose your enemy's king?
3. The Emperor does not wish for slavery to come to an end. He wishes to improve the working conditions and lives of those slaves in his empire. Doing so will probably make them more productive and less rebellious. Go read his interview, the message is plain. If you are waiting for your people to become free by Imperial Edict, then you must come to the conclusion that it is a futile endeavor.
To all Amarr out there with doubts about our leadership: We have an intelligent and thoughtful leader, give him a chance and think hard about the things he has done.
- Deacon Ezar Vorbarra
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Lorna Doone
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Posted - 2004.03.29 09:35:00 -
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His goal is thousands of years of peace and prosperity, with the Amarr Empire at the forefront.
The Emperor does not wish for slavery to come to an end.
There will be no peace until slavery has come to an end, that much is obvious. So the two goals are mutually exclusive.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2004.03.29 10:02:00 -
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His goal is thousands of years of peace and prosperity, with the Amarr Empire at the forefront.
The Emperor does not wish for slavery to come to an end.
There will be no peace until slavery has come to an end, that much is obvious. So the two goals are mutually exclusive.
Hey, two can play the "Make impossible demands game!"
Okay, let me think here...... I got it!
I'll stop fighting Minmatar's when they agree to stop killing Amarrians!
Hey! I did it, since it's been verified that you'll never stop. I always have a crutch to kill Minmatars for ever and ever!
When one of you learns how to negotiate, speak up. Otherwise go speak with your blasters, obviously all you're good at.
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Pulgor --- In service to Saram.
Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.03.29 11:47:00 -
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Then Pulgor, I offer this negotiation, free all the slaves and help end slavery and we shall have our peace!
Impossible demand, nay - your are just blind to the truth and have no intention of negotiating much like that emporer of yours. He throws a few empty gestures of peace to stay the sword and pays Midular her keep.
You think by pigeon-holingus all as radical extremists with a thirst for blood when you know nothing of why we fight. Not one of us is a blood thirsty killer, all we want is our people free.
I, and my kin will be the first to lay down our swords when this day comes and finally return to the lives that were stolen from us.
Know this - that day will come, you know full well what we seek, to free our families and if we are to be called terrorists for that than so be it.
I wonder what a free news agency not under the control of regional governments would say if they reported on the things we witness. If the people were made aware of the truth. Instead they are silenced by Midular who is the puppet of a much greater evil.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Ardor
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Posted - 2004.03.29 14:58:00 -
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Dear Deacon Ezar Vorbarra,
not only the Dark Amarr don't stand behind the Emperor. There are a lot of traditionalists in the Empire who are at least full of solicitude. Not to forget those Amarr who went into exile as a sign of protest after Doriam was crowned.
Yes, he can do whatever he wants with his own property. We all know 15.000 slaves is nothing. Although it is a lot more than this number. He has some kind of 'tradition' to free slaves. I highly doubt this is the right gesture an Emperor should give. I show my love for the Minmatar people by enslaving them and teaching them the word of God, not by sending them back to the slums of Pator where they most likely will start a carreer as a criminal. Pax Amarria is a book which is breaking a lot of our glorious Amarrian traditions. My copy turned to ashes.
Not sure if it's worth to sacrifice the life of dozens of Amarrians to the Sanshas. I've only seen diplomatic afforts from the Emperor so far while Sanshas still kill. We will see how well Doriam plays 'chess' with your lives.
I do remember Doriam as an Heir. He thought about recognizing the so called Minmatar Republic (our territory which was lost under Heideran during the slave rebellion) as a sovereign empire. I remember the support from Minmatar terrorists during the succession for Doriam. Good to see that Doriam became a little wiser and there is still not such an agreement with the Minmatar. I read his interview and i am concerned with his ideas of improving the conditions for slaves in the Empire. In my opininion this must stay an individual decision for each holder as there are invidual circumstances. If you are looking for a way to make slaves more productive and less rebellious you should contact your next Dark Amarrian friend.
I thought hard about the things Doriam had done. Only one thing came to my mind. His ignorance towards the crimes of his son as his son destroyed religious artefacts during an orgy in the house of God. Another thing is his popstar like tournee through the Empire. Nothing wrong with that but not an action which should be overrated. My pilots visited most Amarrian systems, too. I would apprecciate if you could kindly point me to some other things Doriam had done. I am an open minded person you know.
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La Muerte
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Posted - 2004.03.29 17:22:00 -
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These reactionary fundamentalists really give me the creeps.It's time to wake up and smell the coffee.We live in an advanced space age,not in a medieval costume drama.Slave Labor is expensive,inefficientlabor.Adapt to reality or live in an economical nightmare.You choose!
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Ezar Vorbarra
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Posted - 2004.03.29 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 29/03/2004 18:44:56
Brother Ardor,
Under Emperor Heideran, we saw a bloody and savage war with the disgusting mutant Jove. We were taught an expensive lesson fighting a foe with technology we can only dream of. Did anyone here have the pleasure of watching what a single Jovian *frigate* did to a fleet of m0o battleships?
Back to the point: how could the Children of God be handed such a humiliating and complete defeat? What is to become of reclaiming? Are we not to rule the galaxy in His name? Are we not to bring the word of God to the entire galaxy?
On the good side we suceeded in one thing: the wretched Jove have left for the most part. They have not been seen nor heard from in decades. Emperor Heideran was given a new vision from God, a new Testament if you will. He detailed this vision in the Pax Amarria. Rather than lead the universe as master and conqueror, we are given the mandate to lead the galaxy as both peacekeeper and saviour. We will yet win more souls to God by our superior example than we would by force.
This new Testament was difficult for me to accept at first. Why should we be friendly to the filthy Gallente and the ignorant Minmatar? Their rightful place is in our chains and beneath our boots! I prayed to God for the answer, and I found it. I had to accept God not only as my father and personal saviour, but as my Lord and Master as well. I need not like nor understand His commands, I need only obey them.
Emperor Doriam Kor-Azor won the trials of succession fairly. He was chosen by God through the contest to lead our people; he is God's mouthpiece. Whether or not my life or the lives of the now dead diplomats are worth expending is not for me to question. Whether or not a loving father can see evil in his own son is not for me to question. My part in this galaxy is to obey, and to do my duty.
* Steps off of the pulpit *
Deacon Ezar Vorbarra
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Ardor
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Posted - 2004.03.29 19:27:00 -
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La Muerte, slave labor is not (only) about making profit. It's our duty to educate the lesser races as our scriptures command. Since thousends of years slavery is the best way to achieve this holy task.
Ezar Vorbarra, as a Dark Amarr i never encountered the Jove. I only heard about some advanced ships. On the other hand Heideran wasn't famous for being a military leader. He was defeated by Khanid, he was defeated by Jovians, he even was defeated by some primitive slave rebels (i admit during the Jove war, otherwise they never could have been successful). To prevent more losses he gave the Nefantar (gallentean influenced people call this Minmatar tribe Ammatar) a region which now works as a buffer state for the Empire.
The Scriptures teach us in the Second Letter of St. Junip of Aerui:
"There will be obstacles and difficulties. That's his test. We must make his gift deserving."
Our ancestors fought more than 475 years only to conquer Athra. This must have been a terrible war. But they never lost their faith and in the end they won. I will not loose my faith and I will not fail the test of God. I only can hope Doriam will not cause so much damage to the Empire as Heideran did.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.03.29 22:11:00 -
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Dark Amarr, do not preach to US about the Empire or spew your untrue filth about our glorious Emperor Doriam II, nor the late Heidaran VII.
Some of us have not forgotten the Betrayer, and never will.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2004.03.30 02:23:00 -
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Dark Amarr, do not preach to US about the Empire or spew your untrue filth about our glorious Emperor Doriam II, nor the late Heideran VII.
Some of us have not forgotten the Betrayer, and never will.
*I've edited your quote for spelling the name of Heideran
Ah, the betrayer story once again. It's still the best and the only argument the Empire has after 579 years. I think i made some valid points that Khanid II was the more successful leader. History had proven that Khanid II was the better leader. Was it God's will to have such an incompetent leader like Heideran as Emperor or was the succession a failure? Which of my arguments you disliked the most Mr Gaius Kador?
a.) Heideran lost the war vs KhanidII?
b.) Heideran lost the war vs the Jove?
c.) Heideran lost the Minmatar regions to some primitive slaves, never tried to get them back?
d.) Heideran gave one region to a Minmatar tribe so they would fight instead of him because he was an incompetent leader?
e.) Heideran wrote Pax Amarria. A book wich compelled many Amarrians to sacrifice sacred 'things'.
or is it something i even haven't mentioned
e.) Heideran sold the seat of Khanid in the Privy Council for isk to some rich Udorians with slave's blood?
f.) Heideran was licking gallentean asses while Gallenteans supported the Minmatar?
g.) Heideran received the Aidonis Statue from the Gallente because of his 'great work' for the Federation, or was it the great work for the Empire? Khanid had no chance to receive this valuable Statue because he still enslaves Gallente in the spirit of the Reclaiming.
Or was it more because the latest succession was altered in the spirit of Heideran with some foolish democratic ideas so your house, Mr Kador, was represented by PAK, a known bunch of criminals?
As i've said in my previous posting i am open minded to new and valid arguments. My knowledge is not omnipotent. I am open for facts Mr Kador. But never call me telling lies. If you don't have facts then don't open your mouth. In the spirit of a better relation between the Kingdom and the Empire i stay quit about Doriam II.
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Russo
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Posted - 2004.03.30 13:46:00 -
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HELLO CCP
Ardor can post 'licking asses' and get away with it? What qualifies for a post deletion on this site????
Russo - CEO Amarria Auxilia
Your friendly neighborhood badass
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.03.30 13:53:00 -
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We could argue points A though G for an eternity, but I do not deem it worthy of the effort. You are of the Khanid Kingdom, and we will never see eye to eye on certain points.
I resent your disrespect towards the Great Heideran VII, and that is all I have to say on that matter.
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Or was it more because the latest succession was altered in the spirit of Heideran with some foolish democratic ideas so your house, Mr Kador, was represented by PAK, a known bunch of criminals?
This was not the decision of Heideran VII, and I protested against this vehemently. We were not heard, yet our Faith in God prevailed and the new Emperor was chosen legitimately.
House Kador paid a steep price due to PAK representing us, our beloved Temal made the ultimate sacrifice in the name of God and Amarr. She showed true character where others have failed before her, and I mourn her still.
If you wished to ignite my fury, you failed, for it was pure grief you induced instead. As wounds heal, the deeper ones often leave a scar, and you would be wise to leave this topic alone in the future.
So preach not to US about the Empire, for you have forsaken it, and what I deem a lie on your part, is one.
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Tsual
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:15:00 -
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Roast slaver legs, anyone?
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Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2004.03.30 17:03:00 -
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Of course citizens of the Empire and the Kingdom disagree sometimes. Mostly when it comes to the point who is/was the better leader, Heideran VII or Khanid II. And i understand your fury because you are of the house Kador. Still the Kingdom and the Empire have more in common than dividing.
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This was not the decision of Heideran VII, and I protested against this vehemently.
Yes, maybe it wasn't the decision of Heideran. I really believe it. Nevertheless the succession was altered by the succession's supervising authority. They said it was in the spirit of Heideran. They have misused the name of Heideran?
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We were not heard, yet our Faith in God prevailed and the new Emperor was chosen legitimately.
Indeed your faith in God is great. You are forced to believe it was God's will that PAK represented your house. The only argument how Temal could accept her fate. I still do believe it was the will of another power which influenced the succession rites. I still believe a part of the Amarr leadership is corrupted. I still remember Lady Sarum calling this succession as heretic.
All my arguments are based on facts of our reality and the facts from our scriptures. I must admit there is a danger of misinterpreting this facts. All i am trying to do is to live by the scriptures. My life is not easy to bear. I am in constant fear i could fail. But there are two special parts in the scriptures i can not ignore. I can not stay silent.
"Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen one."
The Scriptures. Book II.
"There will be obstacles and difficulties. That's his test. We must make his gift deserving."
The Scriptures. Second Letter of St. Junip of Aerui.
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