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handaki	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:37:00 - [1] Premis: ISK has a real world value. By this I mean that Isk can be used exchanged for GTC's Via CCP's GTC Trading system, and GTC's have a very definite Real World Value to CCP. Recently there was a news story on the eve news system entitled "Yo Ho, Yo Ho, A Pirate's Life For Me" that covered life in eve as taken from a pirates point of view. Now this particular story surprised me at the outright endosment that ccp seemed to be giving to pirates. Now if the above premise is accepted what a pirate does when he destroys a ship in empire and loots it could be considered real life theft and what CCP does by permiting the pirate to purchase a GTC via the GTC trading system could be considered receipt of stolen property (Both are needless to say felonies in most countries) So needless to say I was quite surprised by the tone of the story as given the above point of view CCP seems to me to be endorsing theft in order that they can profit from it. I am therefore of the view that CCP should remove that story and possibly even print a retraction If anyone with a legal background would like to correct any misaprehension I may I would appreciate it. If a CCP representative would like to put forward CCP's point of view that would also be greatly apreciated. But otherwise if anyone has any comments on the above point of view or on the particular news story please feel free to post it to this topic. And lastly if anyone percieves this as a rant I do apologise but it was supposed to open a discussion on piracy in eve and on the news story CCP featued.
Chris Bartlett Caldari The Merchant Marines VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:40:00 - [2] Just... no. I'm highly biased about most things, but it has nothing to do with the overall view of my corp or alliance
Aschera Nintu	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:42:00 - [3] can i have ur stuff transfered into my hangar plz ?
Jaini Hotori	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:43:00 - [4] I'm a Lawyer on the internetz \o/
Strangely Brown Cult of the Purple Wolf	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:47:00 - [5] This has to be a joke thread yes? 8/10
Jack Brazen Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:48:00 - [6] Unless you can buy a GTC with ISK, and then get that GTC translated back into real-life money through CCP sanctioned means, your OP has very little to stand on. GTCs are one-way - you buy one for real money and can either exchange it for ISK or GT. You buy one for ISK, and it is automatically translated into GT on your account. Unless that changes in a HIGHLY unlikely direction, you have no point. ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Arvald Caldari Devilish Intentinos	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:49:00 - [7] Originally by: handaki Premis: ISK has a real world value. By this I mean that Isk can be used exchanged for GTC's Via CCP's GTC Trading system, and GTC's have a very definite Real World Value to CCP. Recently there was a news story on the eve news system entitled "Yo Ho, Yo Ho, A Pirate's Life For Me" that covered life in eve as taken from a pirates point of view. Now this particular story surprised me at the outright endosment that ccp seemed to be giving to pirates. Now if the above premise is accepted what a pirate does when he destroys a ship in empire and loots it could be considered real life theft and what CCP does by permiting the pirate to purchase a GTC via the GTC trading system could be considered receipt of stolen property (Both are needless to say felonies in most countries) So needless to say I was quite surprised by the tone of the story as given the above point of view CCP seems to me to be endorsing theft in order that they can profit from it. I am therefore of the view that CCP should remove that story and possibly even print a retraction If anyone with a legal background would like to correct any misaprehension I may I would appreciate it. If a CCP representative would like to put forward CCP's point of view that would also be greatly apreciated. But otherwise if anyone has any comments on the above point of view or on the particular news story please feel free to post it to this topic. And lastly if anyone percieves this as a rant I do apologise but it was supposed to open a discussion on piracy in eve and on the news story CCP featued. hey look someone comparing eve to rl QUICK EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA dude you need to take a break from games and get back to reality Originally by: Richard Phallus go and get someone to take a golf club and take a good swing at your nuts by surprise when you walk into a dark room some time. This will prepare you for eve's pvp
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:51:00 - [8] Why does 1 of these threads appears every month... Just say NO to drugs people or you'll end up like the OP!
Arvald Caldari Devilish Intentinos	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:52:00 - [9] Originally by: PhantomVyper Why does 1 of these threads appears every month... Just say NO to drugs people or you'll end up like the OP! nah his condition is clearly a lack of drugs, do more and youll end up like meeee Originally by: Richard Phallus go and get someone to take a golf club and take a good swing at your nuts by surprise when you walk into a dark room some time. This will prepare you for eve's pvp
Elles D Caldari Endure Eternal	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:53:00 - [10] Talk about sophistic arguing.
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:59:00 - [11] Pirating and scamming is the of EVE selling point within game communities. I will be a sad panda if it's not possible anymore
Ithoriel Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:02:00 - [12] EVE is a sandbox game. You don't pay for the sand you pay for entry into the sandpit. The sand, buckets and spades all belong to CCP but they let you play with them. No matter how wonderful a sandcastle you build the sand, buckets and spades STILL all belong to CCP. Part of entry into the sandpit involves agreeing that other people can knock down your sandcastles for whatever reason seems good to them. If they knock it down here rather than over there they get a clip round the ear but they're still entitled to stamp on sandcastles. IANAL but seems to me that's about how it works. Growing old is mandatory, growing up is entirely optional
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Kvaell Pirating and scamming is the selling point of EVE within game communities. I will be a sad panda if it's not possible anymore
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:19:00 - [14] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 23/01/2008 17:20:13 WTH EvE attorney: Crimes: 50 bill+ ISK in destroyed pixels. Many of said pixels were purchased via OOG methods which can cause loss of RL Happy Meals and Super Sizing. This apparently makes the OP unhappy for some reason. Am I screwed? Immediate consultation required. Counter-Civil Suit: The reimbursement of each block of aggro timers I have had to sit out while warp stab abusers fly away with impunity. Oh wait.....hello HIC's. CCP sorted that one Oh....and I thought per the EULA ALL ingame assets are considered property of CCP. Does this mean OP's premis fails in the first paragraph? Discuss "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:55:00 - [15] if someone stole your coupon that could save $100 on a future purchase i don't think the law can charge them the same as stealing a real $100. or take this example: if you are playing pinball and continually win free games, but someone distracts you or something and makes you lose, does that mean they stole the cost of the next game that would have otherwise been free? yeah, well if it's free, it costs nothing. so they stole nothing... you already got your original token's worth out of it, fair and square. so you pay real money for time, and you get that time. only CCP can take that away, as part of the sale transaction. you can "win a free game" by trading ISK for GTC, and you don't have to pay any real money for extra time. and if someone steals the ISK that would otherwise be traded for a GTC, they only stole your potential to "win a free game" as well as many other in-game things. they did NOT steal your real money, nor any of your actual game time credit. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:04:00 - [16] I'll never survive in jail! I'm too pretty! () () (â;..;)â (")(")
Alz Shado Ever Flow Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:07:00 - [17] This just in: Caffeine is addictive. So is EVE. Your best bet is to avoid both.
Downtym Amarr Middleton and Mercer LLP The Omni Federation	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Alora Venoda if someone stole your coupon that could save $100 on a future purchase i don't think the law can charge them the same as stealing a real $100. Just as a quick point here: In the United States most coupons have a "real value" attached to them which is usually significantly less than the "redeemable value" of the coupon. Iirc, you can argue the loss of the real value, but no the redeemable value. So, if a coupon says that its real value is "$0.01" then the loss or theft of the coupon represents a loss or theft of a single penny. YMMV, varies state to state, not a lawyer, insert millions of other hilarious disclaimers here.
Sha4d13	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:16:00 - [19] As a solicitor of the Supreme Court of England and Wales, I can safely confirm that the OP is a lunatic and that this thread is heavily laced with fail.
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:19:00 - [20] Idealism FAIL -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Sopha Serpentia Core Dynamics	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:33:00 - [21] Originally by: handaki Premis: ISK has a real world value. By this I mean that Isk can be used exchanged for GTC's Via CCP's GTC Trading system, and GTC's have a very definite Real World Value to CCP. Recently there was a news story on the eve news system entitled "Yo Ho, Yo Ho, A Pirate's Life For Me" that covered life in eve as taken from a pirates point of view. Now this particular story surprised me at the outright endosment that ccp seemed to be giving to pirates. Now if the above premise is accepted what a pirate does when he destroys a ship in empire and loots it could be considered real life theft and what CCP does by permiting the pirate to purchase a GTC via the GTC trading system could be considered receipt of stolen property (Both are needless to say felonies in most countries) So needless to say I was quite surprised by the tone of the story as given the above point of view CCP seems to me to be endorsing theft in order that they can profit from it. I am therefore of the view that CCP should remove that story and possibly even print a retraction If anyone with a legal background would like to correct any misaprehension I may I would appreciate it. If a CCP representative would like to put forward CCP's point of view that would also be greatly apreciated. But otherwise if anyone has any comments on the above point of view or on the particular news story please feel free to post it to this topic. And lastly if anyone percieves this as a rant I do apologise but it was supposed to open a discussion on piracy in eve and on the news story CCP featued. You take this GAME too seriously and have misunderstood the issues that you have raised to back up a flawed argument. All virtual property in Eve belongs to CCP, end of story. I suggest you uninstall eve online and play another game, I hear Tabula Rasa is a not bad sci-fi game. Why don't you try that.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:36:00 - [22] OMGZORZZZ!!! U BLEW ME UP U FILTHY THIEVING PIRATE!!! I'M CALLING MY LAWYER!!! CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
DaMiGe Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:44:00 - [23] one word: ARRRRRRRse ---> My vids <--- latest movie = DaMiGe Control 2
Anhammerad	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:50:00 - [24] So... ...you are saying...[takes deep breath]...that CCP endorses real world theft and extortion by encouraging piracy, oportunism and backhanded tactics in a virtual environment which can be used to pay for game time - worth real life money - thereby effectively making them real life dealers in stolen goods (a large 'fence' maybe?), and the aforementioned 'vagabonds' real life thieves, and all because CCP have decided to enable successful players to pay for their gametime with ISK/successful real life players pay for ISK with capital (depending on your view of the situation....? Have you ACTUALLY been on the weed? Is it impossible for people to just enjoy this game for what it is and what it attempts to do to set itself out from the crowd? EVE is - when it comes down to it - a reflection of society. Bad things happen as well as good and you are not cuddled by the people in charge to make sure everything works out for you like in other MMOs. A retraction of the statement/apology? HAH!
Removal Tool Vogon Deconstruction Fleet The OSS	Posted - 2008.01.23 20:14:00 - [25] Comedy Gold! *knock knock "Ridicule Delivery, did you order some ridicule sir?" OP:"Yes, yes I did"
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2008.01.23 20:34:00 - [26] Sorry, OP, but your reasoning went something like this: IF A=B AND C=D THEN A=D I call it handaki's transitive property of equality. --
parrowdox Caldari Vitai Lampada	Posted - 2008.01.23 21:13:00 - [27] surely its just CCP embracing a certian side of the game, this game has evolved, it started off and through Corps, alliances, the playing community, certain scandals etc etc for it to have become EVE. i play this game because there is a real threat, i cant afford the GTC and i wouldnt buy them, for me spending the time getting my ship together to then enter the risk / fight is what i enjoy, however those who do choose to buy GTC still lose out when their stuff goes pop as they spend rl isk and lose it where as i am losing the time taken to acquire the isk in game, i being at uni have more time than those in ful ltime employment, the GTC also allows players who do not have the time to play eve often to be able to take multiple hits an still carry on the fight. At the end of the day the player decides what to buy or not, if they lose it the saying continues dont fly what you cant afford to lose, my view is the story should remain, i enjoyed reading it and thinking of times when i have been in similar situations - BoxFresh Killer - Vitai Lampada - Mercs for Hire

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