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Jilly Serkov
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Posted - 2008.01.24 19:00:00 -
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Simple question. Is the extra money/bonuses for the NH worth it ? Or is the 7th launcher + extra rig a clincher on the drake ?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.24 19:05:00 -
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NH has better raw DPS (equivalent of 8 launchers vs 7 on Drake), and a slightly better omnitank even with that "missing rig", and easier to get even resists (no hardners accounted for, slightly worse EM/EXP tanked DPS, much better TH/KIN tanked DPS on NH vs Drake), and of course slightly better cap recharge.
Is it better as Drake ? In cases where ISK cost is not an issue, definetely.
But as a price/performance ratio, it's a toss-up... for very risky work, you might still prefer a Drake.
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Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
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Posted - 2008.01.24 19:07:00 -
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[channels Pottsey]
Don't forget the Myrmidon. If fitted properly it can mount a fairly strong passive shield tank as well. I don't know how it compares to the NH or Drake, but you should at least look at it. Fit like a passive Drake only with fewer mids, more Shield Power Relays, and no need for BCUs to take up low slots (i.e. even more shield rgeen mods). Of course, you have practically no cap regen, so if you mount any turrets you'll want to use projectiles.
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Back on topic. The NH edges out the Drake in terms of raw DPS, espeically against smaller targets with it's precision bonus. As far as tanking goes they can both mount a tank that few, if any, level IVs can break.
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Jilly Serkov
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Posted - 2008.01.24 19:15:00 -
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Interesting comment on myrm - I had overlooked that. Did the drone changes not b@gger it up though ? May need to scratch my head on that one a bit further 
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Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
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Posted - 2008.01.24 19:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Jilly Serkov
Interesting comment on myrm - I had overlooked that. Did the drone changes not b@gger it up though ? May need to scratch my head on that one a bit further
It's b@ggered in that it can't use 5 heavy drones at once anymore, but it's tanking abilities haven't been touched.
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Calexis Atredies
Quantum Industries
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.25 02:38:00 -
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For pure passive accept nothing less than the vulture... it's the pinacle of shield tanking technology, the resist bonus more than compensates for the lack of the NH's 5th low.
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.01.25 02:41:00 -
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It makes up for the 5th low by being able to fit 3 Hards + 3 Large Shield extender II's + having better base resists 
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Agif
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.25 14:48:00 -
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After flying the Drake for soo long and then switching over to the Nighthawk i find its tank re gen just isnt anywhere as good as Drake.
But with an active tank the Nighthawk still doesn't pull back as much as the Drake wud with passive setup.
I have 100% maxed missile skills in all areas and found that i was getting better raw DPS from the nighthawk but only marginal.
As far as Isk go's id say the nighthawk is brilliant for tanking lvl 5's and 4's but ****e when it comes to PVP but meh isnt that all caldari ships 
/Agif
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AnKahn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.01.25 16:47:00 -
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So if Agif is right, a player who ACTUALLY HAS FLOWN a Drake and NH, then except for gang link stuff...
Caldari command ships are pointless except for the bling-bling factor?
I don't think any other race has that issue.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.25 17:00:00 -
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I fly both the Drake and the NH for level 3/4 missions. I prefer the NH because it is so easy to omnitank. There is no need to switch up hardeners to match the mission.
Both have tanks that are generally overkill for mission running at that level: I haven't tried level 5's yet.
I also find the NH to be easier to fit, especially with T2 launchers.
The NH also adds extra punch when clearing away smaller targets.
I still find the DPS on both ships lacking against level 4 missions, so I will typically bring along an alt in a gank fitted battleship to help take down the big stuff faster.
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Stefan F
Enrave
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.01.25 20:53:00 -
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NH is both better in tank and DPS at the same time. Just run EFT for the numbers.
Nothing beats a vulture though for pure tankage, but its dps with missiles just sucks. Tanking 9/10 complexes is no problem at all though.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:34:00 -
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"Nothing beats a vulture though for pure tankage,"
Last time I looked the Vulture wasnt in the top 10 passive tanks it was behind a lot of Gallante ships.
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.01.25 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
"Nothing beats a vulture though for pure tankage,"
Last time I looked the Vulture wasnt in the top 10 passive tanks it was behind a lot of Gallante ships.
What IS in the top 10 then? I'm assuming you're not talking about capital ships for this list.
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Impolite Andevil
The Shadow Knights
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Posted - 2008.01.25 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Agif
After flying the Drake for soo long and then switching over to the Nighthawk i find its tank re gen just isnt anywhere as good as Drake.
But with an active tank the Nighthawk still doesn't pull back as much as the Drake wud with passive setup.
I have 100% maxed missile skills in all areas and found that i was getting better raw DPS from the nighthawk but only marginal.
As far as Isk go's id say the nighthawk is brilliant for tanking lvl 5's and 4's but ****e when it comes to PVP but meh isnt that all caldari ships
/Agif
If you didn't see a significant difference when switching from the Drake to a NH, you are doing something wrong. I have maxed shield tank skills, CS lev 4, and my nighthawk not only out-tanks and out-damages my drake, it also is FAR faster at killing elite frigates and cruisers in lev 4s due to the precision bonus. Another thing to consider is that the Drake has to give up damage mods to fit an effective passive tank. It's fairly easy to field a NH capable of tanking lev 4's and keep 3 BCSs.
As for PVP - the Nighthawk has performed fine when I ended up using it in PVP, as it is basically a better drake that slaughters frigate-class vessels, but the improvement is not worth the additional 150+ million isk you are risking. Really, though, niether the NH or drake are good PVP ships. For that look to the other races command ships or hacs, or just fly a cerberus.
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