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Bria Xun	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:33:00 - [1] I've been spending the last several weeks in a high sec area. Mining and missions are pretty good here, but to be honest, I'm getting bored. The same old people, the same belts, the same missions...sigh So I'm considering moving to low-sec space. Only a few jumps away is a 0.4 area. I use a Retriever to mine and a Moa to fight. The one thing I'm worried about (of course) is jumping into an 0.4 area and getting podded. That's what happened the first (and last) time I was there. I wasn't even doing anything except taking a look around. I was using an Osprey at the time so obviously, I've grown a bit since. My corp is a small one, so can't really ask for much in the way of protection right now. So, now that my rambling is done, is low-sec space really as dangerous as all the horror stories I've heard make it out to be?
F90OEX	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:39:00 - [2] Depends on the lowsec system, but remember all it takes is one flashy pirate to see you in local, alot of them are very good at scanning you down and before you know it, your in a pod. My advice is join a bigger corp that pvp's in lowsec so you can get experience, otherwise your going to be losing alot of ships.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:41:00 - [3] My advice is not to move to the first 0.4 border system, those are the most active/dangerous. Find a nice 0.2 or 0.1 somewhere. Visit in a shuttle and check out the activity level and see who's around at different times. Most people who have lowsec horror stories are the naive people with zero patience who loaded up all their possessions into a T1 hauler with no modules and tried to move to a system they'd never actually scouted. They just open up the map and set their autopilot for the nearest lowsec system, they don't even bother to cross their fingers. Then when they get ganked on jump in they come to the forums and whine about lowsec and implore CCP to appease them by making the game idiot proof. Say these words and believe them: "Who is responsible for my safety in Eve? I am responsible for my safety in Eve." Learn it, know it, live it and you'll be ready for lowsec. /makes fart noise
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:44:00 - [4] Hint : outlaws (flashy red people) cannot enter highsec , that means they have to stay in lowsec for months on end. If I can survive , gain ISK over time and buy shiny ships , so can you. Well ok , lowsec mining is a little bit suicidal , but not impossible. If you know what you're doing , you are very unlikely to get podded , but it can happen once in a while. Oh , and the only safe places in lowsec are stations. You can be killed anywhere else (safespot , mission , at gate / station undock) if someone thinks it's worth the effort. If you live in lowsec with friends , they will warn you about incoming threats (or at least give the pirates another target to shoot at) Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
Hairtrigger Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:47:00 - [5] Fast to warp frig/shuttle look around for a few weeks untill you feel comfortable start lookin for a system to base in make sure you have a med clone up to date(you will need it)your gonna die-alot
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Alowishus My advice is not to move to the first 0.4 border system, those are the most active/dangerous. Find a nice 0.2 or 0.1 somewhere. Visit in a shuttle and check out the activity level and see who's around at different times. This. I reccomend using a frig to scout (and you can rat in one as well) in low-sec until you get the hang of the area you're in. Once you do, you'll acquire some friends there amongst the regulars (unless it's like a home system of a pirate corp, in which case you need to move on), and you can move in some heavier ships. Border systems are often places where everyone's out to gank everyone else, especially if they're close to high-sec mission hubs or trade routes. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.25 00:07:00 - [7] There are plenty of low-sec systems that are devoid of life. You could mine there for days without getting as much as a blink in local. Tho I suspect that there's a reason why these systems are empty (probably worthless stuff in there). losec ain't that dangerous if you know what you'r doing, hell 0.0 isn't (unless you stumble into Deklain or Stain, ET lives in stain is all I'm saying). There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius.
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.25 00:20:00 - [8] first piece of advice, get into a player corp that lives in or near lowsec, my corp lives in highsec but roams lowsec/0.0 for fun and mayhem. second piece of advice, unless you join a group living out of 0.0 or want to be a pirate, don't try to "live" in lowsec, the rats are better than belt rats in a .5 but that isn't saying much, and the missions aren't really any better, in fact they're the same since no one bothers with lvl 5's. My advice is to learn some PvP from more experienced players, and go that direction to spice things up. being an outlaw is a pain in the ass, and being a carebear is boring, the trick is to strike a balance. Join Aristotle_Public to talk to me or my corpmates, we're very good at getting new people up to speed and looking for more pilots who can hang with us. ... Why do I PvP? Because I love the feeling I get when I see the pretty lights and know that someone somewhere is screaming incoherently at their computer screen.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.25 00:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Thargat There are plenty of low-sec systems that are devoid of life. You could mine there for days without getting as much as a blink in local. Tho I suspect that there's a reason why these systems are empty (probably worthless stuff in there). losec ain't that dangerous if you know what you'r doing, hell 0.0 isn't (unless you stumble into Deklain or Stain, ET lives in stain is all I'm saying). /this There are huge regions of low sec that have nary a soul in them for days or even weeks but thats due to the whole region having like 1 npc station in it and crappy belt mining and ratting. Find one of those sytems and drop the biggest pos setup that you can afford then get to exploring. Data and hacking exploration sites in low sec are big isk if you get a good one plus the really good exploration mining sites have nearly 0.0 ore quality. Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english. Irony. So delicious.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.25 00:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Bria Xun I've been spending the last several weeks in a high sec area. Mining and missions are pretty good here, but to be honest, I'm getting bored. The same old people, the same belts, the same missions...sigh So I'm considering moving to low-sec space. Only a few jumps away is a 0.4 area. I use a Retriever to mine and a Moa to fight. The one thing I'm worried about (of course) is jumping into an 0.4 area and getting podded. That's what happened the first (and last) time I was there. I wasn't even doing anything except taking a look around. I was using an Osprey at the time so obviously, I've grown a bit since. My corp is a small one, so can't really ask for much in the way of protection right now. So, now that my rambling is done, is low-sec space really as dangerous as all the horror stories I've heard make it out to be? Ok first thing to remember is, this is just a game. I really, really recommend, say, doing mining in high sec (or missions) for 2 or 3 days. At the end of those 3 days, put all that isk (20-200m depending on time spent) aside. Spend half of it on ships and equipment, make sure you have a clone... and GO. Do what you want in low sec. As you die (and you will - maybe you'll kill some people too!) learn from the mistakes. Now, take the other half. Do it again, without repeating the mistakes. Lots of fun - it can be a bit frustrating at times - and you've not actually "lost" anything, other than 2 or 3 days work. If you're unsure about PvP, join Eve University for a couple of weeks so you get to know how to fit a ship and what situations you can get yourself in to. With Warp to Zero and if you're aligned, you're more or less safe in low sec - you can't be bubbled like in 0.0, you wont get doomsdayed and so on. Just try it - get some expendable stuff and go do it. The worst that can happen is you lose what you saved up for specifically to do this anyway. Have fun :) I R BE KING (and queen) OF CHEESE!

Crackzilla The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.25 00:48:00 - [11] Edited by: ***zilla on 25/01/2008 00:49:43 Originally by: Bria Xun is low-sec space really as dangerous as all the horror stories I've heard make it out to be? If you don't pay attention it can be worse than you think. You need to be paranoid becase we are out to get you. Find a quite system. Put up a pos, or use safe spots. The moment any neutrals/reds show in local warp to the pos or to the safe spot (you'll need to cloak). Don't hesitate, just warp. If in a pos or cloaked don't move until local is clear. If you don't cloak and you're not in a pos you'll need to warp around every 10-15 seconds between safe spots. Have lots of safe spots. The major risk is jumping through gates. So avoid moving between systems. Leave system as rarely as possible. Use a disposable scout to check out the next system when hauling ore/mine. The major issue you'll have is the logistics of moving fuel and ore between empire and your new low sec home. Should keep you alive for a few days. Make sure you're prepared to lose ships/gear/pos's because you will. After a while you'll get a process and it'll feel as safe as empire.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.25 00:56:00 - [12] Low-sec is completely safe. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.01.25 01:17:00 - [13] Low Sec is about as dangerous as you want it to be. Like anywhere in EVE each system is slightly different. Some Low Sec is off the beaten path, has few stations / or belts and is normally pretty deserted. Other Low Sec systems ajoin onto 0.0, are close to high sec and have numerous stations and belts. These tend to be more heavily populated and therefore more dangerous. The risk to you depends upon what you are flying and the % of your overall wealth invested in it plus its ability to survive. If you've got 3ISK left in the bank, and are flying a faction fitted Navy Raven Id say the risks you're taking are pretty high. However if you've got 3billion ISK in the bank, no implants and are flying a T1 fitted Arbi, well then the risk you're taking is pretty neglible. The final element of risk is what you're actually doing in Low Sec. If you're exploring in a cov ops ship then you're relatively safe. If your mining at a belt youre considerably less safe. You can mitigate some of the risk by using cloaking systems, staying aligned to a station or having a multitude of safe spots. Equally you can ratchet up the risk you take by engaging targets with varying degrees of caution and knowledge of an area. Attacking that lone frigate at a belt on your first visit to a system is likely to result in the 'big gang' in the next door system jumping in to salvage your wreck. Attack that same frigate in an area you know is pretty empty, and with no sign of support - well thats less risky. C. Improved Low Sec Idea!!
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.01.25 01:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Low-sec is completely safe. Qft, Molden Heath is very safe and practically deserted. Sometimes I mine all day and never see anyone in local.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.25 01:34:00 - [15] There is a secluded lowsec system near deven that can only be reached by highsec its .4 and nothing else connects to it
Marcus TheMartin Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.25 01:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin There is a secluded lowsec system near deven that can only be reached by highsec its .4 and nothing else connects to it NO ONE and I mean NO ONE touches that system
Dennison Spade	Posted - 2008.01.25 02:07:00 - [17] dangerous.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.26 20:33:00 - [18] not very dangerous at all Trashed sig, Shark was here
Bashia Petrov	Posted - 2008.01.26 20:35:00 - [19] When I joined my corp we held some low sec space, there was one player there Thaad, she has made friends with all the locals even those of us who are - sec status :P It has alot to do with where you go, what your doing there and how you treat the locals, a sense of humor can go along ways with some people ~
Angelic Eviaran	Posted - 2008.01.26 20:37:00 - [20] Low-Sec is plays mindtricks with me. When I dont want a fight there is always a bunch around to pick at me and when Im looking for a fight people run away from me.

Bellator Militaris	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:36:00 - [21] Low Sec is like the Savanna in Africa. The Animals graze there and the Lions sit and watch.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Bellator Militaris Low Sec is like the Savanna in Africa. The Animals graze there and the Lions sit and watch. except for the lions run faster than the speed of light and shoot lasers at you
Zinras Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:37:00 - [23] Low sec is dangerous but not nearly as dangerous as it is hyped to be.. Unless you feel like jumping in the most camped system in the game in a T1 hauler full of BPOs and everything else you own, with no counter meassures vs camps. Then you will probably get shot. Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Zinras Low sec is dangerous but not nearly as dangerous as it is hyped to be.. thread closed Trashed sig, Shark was here
Asmosis	Posted - 2008.01.28 00:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Marcus TheMartin There is a secluded lowsec system near deven that can only be reached by highsec its .4 and nothing else connects to it NO ONE and I mean NO ONE touches that system Alt switching ftl. Was funny the first time but just looks noobish now. @OP Deadend lowsec systems are the worst to enter, also be very careful about people recommending specific systems as safe. Social engineering/meta gaming is another fun aspect of piracy.
Kessiaan	Posted - 2008.01.28 00:35:00 - [26] Lowsec isn't super dangerous if you keep moving and stay away from the border systems. The real problem with lowsec is there's no reason to be there unless you're a pirate or looking for some quick pewpew. If you can survive in lowsec you can survive in 0.0 where the rewards are better and you can secure your space against intrusion much more effectively. ----- My in Eve Profile My BattleClinic Page
Cyriel Longinus XERCORE	Posted - 2008.01.28 00:55:00 - [27] Try the Geminate Border Systems: Maila Akora Messoya Tasti Otosela That should spice your game up a bit.
heheheh The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.28 01:39:00 - [28] If your newish they can be very dangerous, but really tbh if you know what your doing they are not very dangerous at all.
Cilvius Sanctus Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.01.28 02:08:00 - [29] There's a lot of good advice in this thread, but I want to reiterate some things 1) Do NOT attempt to set up shop in the first lowsec system just outside of highsec space, these areas are heavily trafficed and are more dangerous than deeper lowsec systems. As suggested, find a .1 or .2 system (which will be further from highsec) and check that area out. However... 2) Talk to the locals in the area, find out if they are friendly enough to set you "blue" so that you don't have to be afraid of flying around. If you are moving to a lowsec system on your own, and it is deep in lowsec, chances are there will be other corporations or alliances living in that system as well, you essentially will want their permission to live there. Do they own it? Not in the normal sense of the word, but they likely wont have a problem shooting you if you don't take the time to explain your intentions. Find out what corps/alliances live there and ask to speak to a diplomat to come to an arrangement. Or, see if they are recruiting. 3) SCOUT THE SYSTEM. Ask the locals about pirate activity in the area. If it seems too risky, then find another system. 4) Pull the "Local" tab out of the chat window and keep it up on your screen at all times. If you are in space running a mission or mining or whatever and a neutral or hostile person enters the system: Dock. No questions about it, dock. If you are careful, lowsec can be quite lucrative. If you aren't careful, you will lose a lot of isk.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.28 02:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Cilvius Sanctus If you are careful, lowsec can be quite lucrative. If you aren't careful, you will lose a lot of isk. The thing is that it is not as lucrative as hi sec is so why bother? Unless you enjoy getting run into station/safespotting every 20 minutes. If you like the pew pew low sec offers you are still better off in hi sec earning cash to support your habit then running in to low sec to shoot stuff. To each their own though.



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