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khainestar
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Posted - 2004.03.25 12:03:00 -
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Anyone got ant pseudo-science to explain this one then.
Each clone created is eventually a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone.. and so on, so eventually Replicative Fading will be encountered. So each person can only be cloned a certain number of times before the 'raw material' has degenerated DNA to such a degree that further cloning is impossible.
So what I want to know is how eve gets around this issue.. or more importantly how many times do I need to squash someone for them to stay down. 
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2004.03.25 12:28:00 -
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maybe they use your original DNA, so it isn't a Clone of a clone of a clone,
Just a clone of the origional, they just update your brain every now and then
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khainestar
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Posted - 2004.03.25 13:16:00 -
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you know thats something I had never considered. 
But how about when you update you clone.
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At the time of purchase, the customer undergoes a thorough examination and several tissue samples are taken. This is then used to construct a clone of the customer û a clone that receives the consciousness of the original at the moment of death, granting a new life.
quoted from the scientific article on cloning.
Surely this means that a new sample is taken when you purchase or upgrade a clone?
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Geeknik
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Posted - 2004.03.25 22:55:00 -
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Well, it strikes me as being obvious that if you are upgrading to a superior clone, that they would have to take a new sample as something to base the new and improved clone.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.03.26 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Discorporation on 26/03/2004 16:25:14
They use a sample to get your DNA patterns.
Then they use various grades of biomass to build ('grow') a body from scratch.
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HalOne
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Posted - 2004.03.27 11:20:00 -
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DNA pattern is "digital", so "replicative fading" doesnt have effect on it. DNA consists of 4 different molecules in a long chain and a copy of this chain can only consist of the same 4 molecules.
In your own body, every cell is a copy of another cell, the DNA is also copied in the process and it doesnt fade. However, if there happens a mistake, a mutation, the mistake is then passed on to every cell after that. Cancer is a good example, the mutation makes the cell reproduce itself uncontrollably and every cell it reproduces has the same problem, it reproduces as fast as it can.
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Darsk'hul
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Posted - 2004.03.28 13:26:00 -
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DNA replication is kinda destructive in the sense that local mutation occurs (cross-over for example is the most common mutation process).
Even if DNA use "discrete" datas (the four nucleotides), the replication process implies RNA (a derivative) + some enzymae (dunno the exact word in english) that aren't so "neutral" toward the "original" pattern.
Our body is the most significative example of this. We don't have the same DNA code in all our body. Some parts of our body aren't exposed to mutagene environnement (e.g. muscles) but, some other are (bones, or more espacially genital parts).
And here is why we can have cancer ...
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TechyBen
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Posted - 2004.03.29 00:10:00 -
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The Cell can repair DNA (not correct data...) but your body also has in built defences. Its just the deseases work faster...
Cloning aint the problem... its the "transports your contiousness" thats not possible!
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khainestar
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Posted - 2004.03.29 14:03:00 -
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In your own body, every cell is a copy of another cell, the DNA is also copied in the process and it doesnt fade. However, if there happens a mistake, a mutation, the mistake is then passed on to every cell after that. Cancer is a good example, the mutation makes the cell reproduce itself uncontrollably and every cell it reproduces has the same problem, it reproduces as fast as it can.
Replicative Fading is defined as
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A loss of genetic information occurring when an organism is repeatedly cloned. After several generations of cloning, replicative fading can become serious, resulting in subtle errors creeping into chromosomes, eventually yielding a nonviable clone.
so it is something that is recognised today in cloning.
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Cloning aint the problem... its the "transports your contiousness" thats not possible!
The brain would more than likely be different in its growth as when cells grow they usually grow differently each time. Its why identical twins aren't the same person. Brain growth and nural pathways differ.
There is also the problem
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"Theoretically, stem cells derived from early embryos have the greatest potential to develop into most types of tissue.[..] Stem cells can be extracted from some adult tissues but their potential to develop into other kinds of tissue is also likely to be limited."
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So unless sample are taken from almost all of the organs and tissues. The problem of rejection may occur.
about the brain sampling
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the NIH asserted the opinion that invasive surgery would be required (removal of "a portion of the brain") in order to obtain a source of neural stem cells to treat diseases such as Parkinsons and Alzheimers.
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So surely you would have to be half killed in the tissue extraction process and need the clone activating almost immediately?
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:48:00 -
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EVE is 35,000 years in the future. And I'm counting all those years because cloning is Jove tech (IIRC). Today we laugh at what humans knew 35,000 years ago, and I'm sure that in 35,000 years we'll laugh at what we know today.
Thats the cheap way out, back to technobable. ;)
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