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kjetil1
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Posted - 2008.01.25 12:51:00 -
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http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons?currentPage=all
discuss :)
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.25 12:55:00 -
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 Originally by: kjetil1
discuss :)
Okay. You start.
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Grimm Myn
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.01.25 12:57:00 -
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1. wall of text
2. it contains stuff about second life
3. looks dead boring and rather bland, especially at the length of the article
try linkify it first
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2008.01.25 13:07:00 -
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It's all subjective really. Are goons just muppets spoiling it for everyone and are BoB dedicated militarists employing good strategy?
Does it even matter?
BoB/CCP commited the most abhorrent crime available to a virtual world, after that, what does it matter what anybody does?
If they'd played it straight as well as played it well, then I'd wager that more people would give two hoots at 3000 people behaving like 8 year olds. As it is, I just hope Goons stick around to harrass The Original Cheaters (tm) and we can all migrate to a better product when it comes along.
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 13:15:00 -
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**** me I can't believe people are still going on about T20's lapse of judgement. In any case it's already been shown that there have always been more devs in GoonSwarm (or at least the RSF) than there ever have been in BoB.
Anyway. I thought the article was interesting enough, and I don't see where it says that the Goons are bad. However, it's mostly about Second Life (as usual) and the part about EVE was worthless because it was so short, the writer clearly didn't understand how EVE works - he makes a point to say that the ship hadn't died before, which makes no sense because the fact that it was still alive at the time obviously meant it hadn't died before. The only explanation is that the writer thought it would respawn like it would if it were in WoW - and the fact that only a Goon was quoted with no words from the other side makes it sound like GoonSwarm have already slaughtered BoB and that the loss of one of their Titans meant that never had any morale again and that was the end.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2008.01.25 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
It's all subjective really. Are goons just muppets spoiling it for everyone and are BoB dedicated militarists employing good strategy?
Does it even matter?
BoB/CCP commited the most abhorrent crime available to a virtual world, after that, what does it matter what anybody does?
If they'd played it straight as well as played it well, then I'd wager that more people would give two hoots at 3000 people behaving like 8 year olds. As it is, I just hope Goons stick around to harrass The Original Cheaters (tm) and we can all migrate to a better product when it comes along.
Did you even read the article?
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kjetil1
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Posted - 2008.01.25 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
It's all subjective really. Are goons just muppets spoiling it for everyone and are BoB dedicated militarists employing good strategy?
Does it even matter?
BoB/CCP commited the most abhorrent crime available to a virtual world, after that, what does it matter what anybody does?
If they'd played it straight as well as played it well, then I'd wager that more people would give two hoots at 3000 people behaving like 8 year olds. As it is, I just hope Goons stick around to harrass The Original Cheaters (tm) and we can all migrate to a better product when it comes along.
So you relay belive it whuld be difrent if nothing had happend?
no bob was powerfull before, and even poverfull after. nothing changed,
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Luh Windan
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Posted - 2008.01.25 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: kjetil1
http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons?currentPage=all
discuss :)
These people (and spammers and all the other anti-social nutters) are not going to leave the internet - we just have to learn to deal with it. The internet is like an amplifier for social systems - you get large communities of diverse interests (I mean try finding a constant group of *thousands* of people who like flying imaginary space ships round an imaginary space blowing each other up and selling each other stuff in the real world and that you can interact with every day at all times of the day and night.). The same thing that enables all the cool thing enables the w*nkers though.
Our physical communities have found ways of dealing with this to some degree and I am sure online communities will (and do) as well.
There are also some good points in the article - a lot of people do take themselves too seriously. All societies could do with jokers taking the you know what - it is not always a bad thing.
Originally by: Grimm Myn
1. wall of text
2. it contains stuff about second life
3. looks dead boring and rather bland, especially at the length of the article
try linkify it first
!!!! - a magazine article has 'too much writing in it'! My brain hurts just thinking about your reaction. Scary.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2008.01.25 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Luh Windan
Originally by: kjetil1
http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons?currentPage=all
discuss :)
These people (and spammers and all the other anti-social nutters) are not going to leave the internet - we just have to learn to deal with it. The internet is like an amplifier for social systems - you get large communities of diverse interests (I mean try finding a constant group of *thousands* of people who like flying imaginary space ships round an imaginary space blowing each other up and selling each other stuff in the real world and that you can interact with every day at all times of the day and night.). The same thing that enables all the cool thing enables the w*nkers though.
Our physical communities have found ways of dealing with this to some degree and I am sure online communities will (and do) as well.
There are also some good points in the article - a lot of people do take themselves too seriously. All societies could do with jokers taking the you know what - it is not always a bad thing.
Originally by: Grimm Myn
1. wall of text
2. it contains stuff about second life
3. looks dead boring and rather bland, especially at the length of the article
try linkify it first
!!!! - a magazine article has 'too much writing in it'! My brain hurts just thinking about your reaction. Scary.
True I always go with the attention seeker concept every ass hat on the net is an attention seeker the more you give them attention the worse they'll get people just need to learn to roll over and ignore stuff attention seekers soon lose interest when they know they're not provoking a reaction.
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Zor Chayne
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.01.25 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
**** me I can't believe people are still going on about T20's lapse of judgement. In any case it's already been shown that there have always been more devs in GoonSwarm (or at least the RSF) than there ever have been in BoB.
hahaha 'lapse in judgement', that is the best understatement I've seen in hahahahaha, oh god. Dude, that 'lapse' was so far off the map that 'judgement' had gotten bored and wandered off for a cup of coffee.
You will see people reference it for a long time, simply because it was such an enourmous mistake both on his part and CCPs part for letting him get away with it, that it has become part of the culture much in the same way as Dentara Rast.
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.25 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
**** me I can't believe people are still going on about T20's lapse of judgement.
lol ... sorry, but it was the most famous example of a dev cheating in a game. As such it will stick around for a while.
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In any case it's already been shown that there have always been more devs in GoonSwarm (or at least the RSF) than there ever have been in BoB.
It has never been "shown", it has been claimed. A lot of stuff has been claimed, most of it untrue and some of it claimed untrue by the same people who claimed the above and shown to be true.
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Skebet
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.25 14:33:00 -
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Poor BoB. We all know it must hurt being "griefed'' by those nasty, nasty Goons. Now the world knows how you have suffered.
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ry ry
StateCorp
The State
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Posted - 2008.01.25 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Skebet
Poor BoB. We all know it must hurt being "griefed'' by those nasty, nasty Goons. Now the world knows how you have suffered.
so you decided not to read the article, then?
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ry ry
StateCorp
The State
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Posted - 2008.01.25 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 25/01/2008 14:47:01
for the hard of thinking, the gist of the article was that a large number people who read the Something Awful forums think people take themselves - and the internet - far too seriously, so they prey on this inward-facing mentality by trying to spoil the games these people play, for 'lulz'.
goons don't play games, they play the other people playing them.
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Skebet
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.25 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
so you decided not to read the article, then?
I certainly did read it, especially the passage that says:
"Real money isn't always enough to give a griefer pause, however. Sometimes, in fact, it's just a handy way of measuring exactly how serious the griefers' game can get.
Consider the case of the Avatar class Titan, flown by the Band of Brothers Guild in the massively multiplayer deep-space EVE Online . . . Only a handful of player alliances had ever acquired a Titan, and this one, in particular, had cost the players who bankrolled it in-game resources worth more than $10,000.
So, naturally, Commander Sesfan Qu'lah, chief executive of the GoonFleet Corporation and leader of the greater GoonSwarm Alliance . . . led a Something Awful invasion force to attack and destroy it."
Makes BoB looks like the innocent victims of those big bad griefers. Which is, of course, the case, right?
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 15:25:00 -
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Yes, it can be interpreted as such, but the writer obviously knows nothing about EVE anyway so it doesn't matter very much. The point of it was to show something about how money doesn't affect grief-play. Whether it worked or not is debatable.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2008.01.25 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Skebet
Originally by: ry ry
so you decided not to read the article, then?
I certainly did read it, especially the passage that says:
"Real money isn't always enough to give a griefer pause, however. Sometimes, in fact, it's just a handy way of measuring exactly how serious the griefers' game can get.
Consider the case of the Avatar class Titan, flown by the Band of Brothers Guild in the massively multiplayer deep-space EVE Online . . . Only a handful of player alliances had ever acquired a Titan, and this one, in particular, had cost the players who bankrolled it in-game resources worth more than $10,000.
So, naturally, Commander Sesfan Qu'lah, chief executive of the GoonFleet Corporation and leader of the greater GoonSwarm Alliance . . . led a Something Awful invasion force to attack and destroy it."
Makes BoB looks like the innocent victims of those big bad griefers. Which is, of course, the case, right?
What i find amusing is that by you constantly going on about the t20 bob thing you obviously don't agree with the goons philosophy to not take stuff that happens online too seriously.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.01.25 15:31:00 -
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*looks around*
...can you smell that? .. It's as if we're in... CAOD 
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Skebet
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.25 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Skebet on 25/01/2008 15:49:45
Originally by: Marisal
What i find amusing is that by you constantly going on about the t20 bob thing you obviously don't agree with the goons philosophy to not take stuff that happens online too seriously.
When did I mention T20?
edit - hint added: I didn't.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2008.01.25 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Skebet
Edited by: Skebet on 25/01/2008 15:49:45
Originally by: Marisal
What i find amusing is that by you constantly going on about the t20 bob thing you obviously don't agree with the goons philosophy to not take stuff that happens online too seriously.
When did I mention T20?
edit - hint added: I didn't.
Originally by: Skebet
Makes BoB looks like the innocent victims of those big bad griefers. Which is, of course, the case, right?
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Concordokken Plox
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Posted - 2008.01.25 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
boohoo boohoo boohoo emo tear boohoo boohoo
Can I have your stuff when you quit for a "better product when it comes along"?
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Darkrydar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.25 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
It's all subjective really. Are goons just muppets spoiling it for everyone and are BoB dedicated militarists employing good strategy?
Does it even matter?
BoB/CCP commited the most abhorrent crime available to a virtual world, after that, what does it matter what anybody does?
If they'd played it straight as well as played it well, then I'd wager that more people would give two hoots at 3000 people behaving like 8 year olds. As it is, I just hope Goons stick around to harrass The Original Cheaters (tm) and we can all migrate to a better product when it comes along.
*jumps in saber
*gives middle finger to quoted poster
Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.01.26 01:22:00 -
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What has happened, has happened, and it won't happen again. Talking about it is just wasting everyone's time.
Please don't be a hypocrit on this one either. If you don't like CCP anymore, and if you're not going to like them again in the near future, please be nice and simply quit your account so we can actually talk about stuff that happened within a week from the date on the original post.
Otherwise you might aswell be talking about how Final Fantasy 1 was the best game ever, since it obviously has to do with this topic because, lets face it, it was a very real threat to EVE since they have been released within 25 years of each other.
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.01.26 02:39:00 -
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