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Malaiit PerVida Pax Emunio The Forsaken. 17	Posted - 2012.02.12 15:04:00 - [1] - Quote So learning the new API's There is a lot out there and would like to hear from some of the corps that have mastered this. What do you consider the most important API options to request from say New members before they join, Officer ranks or ranks that begin to need more sensitive access CEO / Corp Leadership I want to sort of get an idea what some of you more veteran corps/alliances think is most important info to have in the API request especially from a potential new member. Malaiit PerVida Director of Personnel Pax Emunio / The Forsaken www.paxgaming.com "Peace Through Fear"
Velicitia Open Designs 559	Posted - 2012.02.12 15:34:00 - [2] - Quote newbies - character sheet/training queue/etc (pretty much the minimum needed for EVEMon to function). Also, not just limited to one character, has to be the full account with all characters noted. "Officers" (i.e. not directors, but still have decent enough roles)... probably no different. But they have to prove themselves trustworthy before getting the access. Directors - full.
Othar en'gilliath OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn 37	Posted - 2012.02.13 16:55:00 - [3] - Quote id think every corp would be different. My corps requires everything turned on it isn't as bad as it might sound
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars IMPERIAL LEGI0N 104	Posted - 2012.02.14 13:26:00 - [4] - Quote Personal opinion: If you have nothing to hide, why wouldn't you display all stuff to others. On my application I ticked every single box as I have nothing to hide, if people are reluctant to give you certain information using their API they likely have a reason for it, and generally that reason is not a good one for your corp. Just keep in mind (and mention to newer players) that API is a read only tool, so giving it away to others is 'safe'. All they can do is read into everything you set to be revealed, in no way it gives them the ability to alter or control your character(s). What each corps requires you to show to them is different for each corp, mainly cause each corp has their own way to check their new recruits (some are more strict then others). For certain roles you give to members, I think a separate API won't be needed, you did get their initial API (and with that a look into their account) when they joined the corp. You should only give "certain" roles to people who proven them self trustworthy, no API would change the part where you trust them by giving them the role. For directors, it's either no API change too (as Directors are in a way the same as any role mentioned above but people have to get even more trust to be granted them) or a full API so you can monitor their accounts more actively as they have the ability to wreck havoc in your corp. But if they do that, then you shouldn't have given them director roles yet as they didn't proved them self trustworthy at all. CEO, doesn't matter, as likely the CEO is the guy that made the corp so why would someone want to check his account. If you don't like him, leave the corp and move to another. J'Poll Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch
Liam Mirren 256	Posted - 2012.02.14 16:22:00 - [5] - Quote Personally, intel is power and while one "might have nothing to hide" doesn't mean it's ok to just give it all out. With the API you can figure out some pretty neat stuff other than just wallet donations and all that, most of the other things are not anyone's business but your own. Asking for my skill sheet, wallet amount and player donations is fine. Anything more than that is unneeded. Also, do make a specific API for recruiters and delete it several days afterwards. If some recruiter would ask for my full api I'd reply with "sure, if you give me yours". Then all of a sudden you'll hear all kinds of valid reasons why full api can be "dangerous", weird how that goes. Apart from that, the vast majority of corps aren't that special at all so they can demand all they want. It's a two way street, you need a corp but a corp also needs you. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars IMPERIAL LEGI0N 105	Posted - 2012.02.14 16:29:00 - [6] - Quote Liam Mirren wrote: Personally, intel is power and while one "might have nothing to hide" doesn't mean it's ok to just give it all out. With the API you can figure out some pretty neat stuff other than just wallet donations and all that, most of the other things are not anyone's business but your own. Asking for my skill sheet, wallet amount and player donations is fine. Anything more than that is unneeded. Also, do make a specific API for recruiters and delete it several days afterwards. If some recruiter would ask for my full api I'd reply with "sure, if you give me yours". Then all of a sudden you'll hear all kinds of valid reasons why full api can be "dangerous", weird how that goes. Apart from that, the vast majority of corps aren't that special at all so they can demand all they want. It's a two way street, you need a corp but a corp also needs you. Entirely true on the 2-way part, the corps also needs you (else they wouldn't be recruiting). My personal opinion, if someone want to read through all my previous eve-mails, so be it. Wish them the best of luck and they will never find anything important in it as mails containing delicate information that might harm me or anyone who I've been in contact with will be deleted after reading, all that remains are the normal chit-chat mails and stuff that is long overdue and of no possible concern of the guy that has my API. J'Poll Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch
Liam Mirren 256	Posted - 2012.02.14 16:40:00 - [7] - Quote You mean like POS info, Industry jobs (they won't have to guess which CSAA you're actively using) and all that good stuff. Yeah that's not important at all :) In my case there's nothing to hide, mostly because of how this char came to be (not an alt btw) and partly because I'm not stupid. And that really is the thing, you won't catch anyone who really wants to hide his stuff, you'll catch only the crappy ones. Also, the "if you refuse then you must be guilty" is quite funny, anyone who sees it that way should reply to this thread with his full api key, out in the open. Remember that refusing this automatically means you have something to hide :) To clarify, corps themselves do more spying than the recruits they're so scared of that they require full API, by using it against that recruit. And then that recruit perhaps leaves, moves to a different corp while still having that API running. Do you really think all spy intel comes from "hacked" forums and mails? Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org
Othar en'gilliath OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn 37	Posted - 2012.02.14 17:03:00 - [8] - Quote Liam Mirren wrote: To clarify, corps themselves do more spying than the recruits they're so scared of that they require full API, by using it against that recruit. And then that recruit perhaps leaves, moves to a different corp while still having that API running. Do you really think all spy intel comes from "hacked" forums and mails? And That Sir is the Users own problem I have plenty of Full APi's from my members if they leave and don't kill it that's there own issue Evemon and EVE HQ is slow enough with tons of people on it and hardly "stable" i only look into specific people if a "issue that could affect the corp arise" and I have proof to warrant the search" other then that Basically this is how i use the Full API keys -Check account before recruiting -make sure it a account and shows all characters if any -Use for EFT and ship help/skill training -When issues happened, use EVEHQ if needed (Full wallet/Contracts can help me see where a person is getting there isk from or ships, i already had one character in my corp get removed, all his wealth came from outside means and he said he made it all himself) Now that i think about it i don't really need Mail, but id still like MFG,and lab work, i like remember people if they have jobs done :D and or corp cohesion in co-op MFG/research Anyway The New API is pretty cool you The owner can see who accesses it!
Liam Mirren 256	Posted - 2012.02.14 17:07:00 - [9] - Quote Othar en'gilliath wrote: And That Sir is the Users own problem Apart from it being a pretty arrogant reply, you really think it only works one way? How about a valued member of yours who had access to certain things but is now looking for a new corp and goes looking without leaving your corp first. Lets assume he applies to, say, PL and they ask for his full API and he gives it, while still being in your corp. What do you think will happen? Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org
Othar en'gilliath OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn 37	Posted - 2012.02.14 17:16:00 - [10] - Quote Liam Mirren wrote: Othar en'gilliath wrote: And That Sir is the Users own problem Apart from it being a pretty arrogant reply, you really think it only works one way? How about a valued member of yours who had access to certain things but is now looking for a new corp and goes looking without leaving your corp first. Lets assume he applies to, say, PL and they ask for his full API and he gives it, while still being in your corp. What do you think will happen? You have a point however any "valued member " in my corp that could do damage is all real life friends However your scenario is valid i didn't read it that way the first time since it doesn't apply to my corp. also this is about the API It is not in detail who gets what roles in your corporation and whom you cant trust.
Othar en'gilliath OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn 37	Posted - 2012.02.14 17:19:00 - [11] - Quote double post
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars IMPERIAL LEGI0N 105	Posted - 2012.02.14 18:26:00 - [12] - Quote Liam Mirren wrote: You mean like POS info, Industry jobs (they won't have to guess which CSAA you're actively using) and all that good stuff. Yeah that's not important at all :) In my case there's nothing to hide, mostly because of how this char came to be (not an alt btw) and partly because I'm not stupid. And that really is the thing, you won't catch anyone who really wants to hide his stuff, you'll catch only the crappy ones. Also, the "if you refuse then you must be guilty" is quite funny, anyone who sees it that way should reply to this thread with his full api key, out in the open. Remember that refusing this automatically means you have something to hide :) To clarify, corps themselves do more spying than the recruits they're so scared of that they require full API, by using it against that recruit. And then that recruit perhaps leaves, moves to a different corp while still having that API running. Do you really think all spy intel comes from "hacked" forums and mails? Then the guy that left the corp and joined another corp is stupid, as soon as you leave corp you can delete the entire API and make a new one. J'Poll Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch
Malaiit PerVida Pax Emunio The Forsaken. 17	Posted - 2012.02.14 18:30:00 - [13] - Quote Hey thanks for all the replies you all. I really appreciate all the info. I lean toward the more the better but I know there are certain options I just don't need. Thanks though for the help. Any other advice keep it coming will keep checking this. Mal Malaiit PerVida Director of Personnel Pax Emunio / The Forsaken www.paxgaming.com "Peace Through Fear"
Devore Sekk Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.02.17 01:07:00 - [14] - Quote "If you have nothing to hide" is an obvious fallacy that is never even worth defending, but I understand why a corp might want it. I don't care what they see for the most part, but I am kinda private about my wallet and inventory (items and resources I might have stashed away). Would that be an issue?
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars IMPERIAL LEGI0N 109	Posted - 2012.02.17 01:18:00 - [15] - Quote Devore Sekk wrote: "If you have nothing to hide" is an obvious fallacy that is never even worth defending, but I understand why a corp might want it. I don't care what they see for the most part, but I am kinda private about my wallet and inventory (items and resources I might have stashed away). Would that be an issue? Items not really I would guess, wallet maybe (bit depending on kind of corp you join) as some corps use the journal part of wallet to check if you are getting a lot of player donations (specially from 1 guy, which cna mean you are just an alt that is set to spy on corp) or they check if your character has been bought/sold through EVE forums part and is now owned by someone else. J'Poll Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch
Othar en'gilliath OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn 37	Posted - 2012.02.17 15:31:00 - [16] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Devore Sekk wrote: "If you have nothing to hide" is an obvious fallacy that is never even worth defending, but I understand why a corp might want it. I don't care what they see for the most part, but I am kinda private about my wallet and inventory (items and resources I might have stashed away). Would that be an issue? Items not really I would guess, wallet maybe (bit depending on kind of corp you join) as some corps use the journal part of wallet to check if you are getting a lot of player donations (specially from 1 guy, which cna mean you are just an alt that is set to spy on corp) or they check if your character has been bought/sold through EVE forums part and is now owned by someone else. Items yes....if you say one thing...and i find out its a lie well yeah ... plus it allows me to see if that ship your TRULY flying is fitted with what you say its fitted with :D alternate version of a ship scanner and really who cares if i can "SEE what assets you have where .... i cant really do anything about it . other then to confirm what you have or if you have "stolen" anything :/ everything wallet and contracts is a must as said many times , its number one in finding out if your main character or just a alt
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars IMPERIAL LEGI0N 112	Posted - 2012.02.17 15:41:00 - [17] - Quote Othar en'gilliath wrote: J'Poll wrote: Devore Sekk wrote: "If you have nothing to hide" is an obvious fallacy that is never even worth defending, but I understand why a corp might want it. I don't care what they see for the most part, but I am kinda private about my wallet and inventory (items and resources I might have stashed away). Would that be an issue? Items not really I would guess, wallet maybe (bit depending on kind of corp you join) as some corps use the journal part of wallet to check if you are getting a lot of player donations (specially from 1 guy, which cna mean you are just an alt that is set to spy on corp) or they check if your character has been bought/sold through EVE forums part and is now owned by someone else. Items yes....if you say one thing...and i find out its a lie well yeah ... plus it allows me to see if that ship your TRULY flying is fitted with what you say its fitted with :D alternate version of a ship scanner and really who cares if i can "SEE what assets you have where .... i cant really do anything about it . other then to confirm what you have or if you have "stolen" anything :/ everything wallet and contracts is a must as said many times , its number one in finding out if your main character or just a alt Yeah exactly, if you can see assets, and the new guy has capitals etc. their CEO can see where he stores his stuff. J'Poll Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch
Devore Sekk Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2012.03.12 04:32:00 - [18] - Quote Thought I would continue this instead of spawning new thread... I've seen a corp require account userid. Now THAT seems excessive. Having a useful background in security, I don't see a reason to hand this information out, certainly so long as EVE does not provide a two factor authentication option. Is this legitimate information to give to people, and what would they use it for?
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Side Effect. 142	Posted - 2012.03.12 11:39:00 - [19] - Quote Devore Sekk wrote: Thought I would continue this instead of spawning new thread... I've seen a corp require account userid. Now THAT seems excessive. Having a useful background in security, I don't see a reason to hand this information out, certainly so long as EVE does not provide a two factor authentication option. Is this legitimate information to give to people, and what would they use it for? 1. NEVER give you account name to anybody. Period. But with the userID, they can refer to the new CAK which consists of a ID code and Verification code, these together open the API checking possibility. So likely they are referring to the CAK-ID and not your account name you have to fill in on the log in screen. If it is actually the latter one, just move on. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction
Ogi Talvanen Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 108	Posted - 2012.03.12 13:19:00 - [20] - Quote Full [x] API is the norm in the null for recruiting.

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