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Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:36:00 -
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**repost (with improvements) from the old forum's Features & Ideas Discussion**
As we know an instant "WOW style" respec is bad and generally unwated here in EVE.
Heres where I come with much more balanced idea.
An skills unlearning queue, similar to normal train over time feature but working... backwards.
How it works:
You set the skill you dont want to see anymore and then it goes, from max to the zero, over time, lvl5->lvl4->lvl3, giving all unlearned SP to your "SP redistribution pool" (the same SP pool as from missing Learning skills).
Whats the point then?
-It would have to be able to work along with normal skills training. Dual queue, one skill learning and one unlearning at time. -Skillbooks wouldnt be given back, they are all lost, risk:reward ~.~
//wait wheres my punishment?! everything in EVE should have punishment... and consequences! Lets see what we can do here:
-SP unlearning speed would be based on 17/17/17/17/17 attributes or your lowest attribute
//Some would say its still unfair to unlearn an unnecessary skills at the lowest possible speed for a whole year?
Here it comes, another harsh penalty (eve players loves them, no?)
-An unlearned SP pool would be limited/capped to 2-3 millions of SP. -Said cap would reset annually like neural remap
PROS:
-with untraining being based on time we wouldnt be able to respec to the new FOTM instantly -with untraining limited to 2-3m SP per year we wouldnt be able to respec to new FOTM(s) at all -we wouldnt be able to instantly respec our alts then flood character market with them -we would be able to correct our mistakes and clean out our skill sheet a little -enough penalties to satisfy every masochistic eve player! -my "respec" idea is well thought out and better than others ~.~
CONS:
-find one! |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2029
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:45:00 -
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Absolutely not. Any skill training should be permanent, short of being podded in an insufficient clone. Skill respecs in any form would take away from that. Even with a hard limit of a few million SP per year, that's a substantial amount of reversible skill training. yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |

HK 47
TEMPLAR. Excuses.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:59:00 -
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Sorry but no. Trained skills have to be removed by CCP only (still sad that they removed learning skills). Losing SP due an insufficient clone is the only normal way to remove sp but you cannot control it. This should NOT be changed. If you don't like a skill don't train it. If you realize years later that you trained crap than live with it. We all do it. I also have skills I do not need but hell I would never remove them. It is part of your EVE history. |

Velicitia
Open Designs
567
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:09:00 -
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Andski wrote:Absolutely not. Any skill training should be permanent, short of being podded in an insufficient clone. Skill respecs in any form would take away from that. Even with a hard limit of a few million SP per year, that's a substantial amount of reversible skill training.
+1 |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
377
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Posted - 2012.02.12 22:55:00 -
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Quote:-with untraining being based on time we wouldnt be able to respec to the new FOTM instantly
By that reasoning, wouldn't it be more sensible (and easier) to keep the current skill system as it is also based on "time" and has a proven record for preventing inta-FOTM?
Quote:-with untraining limited to 2-3m SP per year we wouldnt be able to respec to new FOTM(s) at all
One million SP is still a bit. I could use it to get (racial) Frigates 5 and max out most of the weapon skills needed for it. Two to three million SP can get you two (racial) Battleship skills to 5.
Quote:-we wouldnt be able to instantly respec our alts then flood character market with them
People would keep the "SP pools" in limbo until a new FOTM comes out.
Quote:-we would be able to correct our mistakes and clean out our skill sheet a little
No such thing as a "mistake" when it comes to skills. The skills you trained before were relevant at the time you trained them... otherwise would wouldn't have trained them at all.
For disclosure: I trained my character here as a miner/industrialist when I first started playing the game and have well over 1 million SP in all the skills related to those areas. I have not used those skills in over 2 years (I refocused my efforts on PvP)... but you never know. One day I might want to use a "Battlehulk"... or I find myself in the position of having to manually move/collect barges/industrials from a POS because no one has a carrier/Orca nearby... or maybe I stumble upon a grav site that contains something worthwhile to mine (Dark Ochre ftw)... etc.
Quote:-enough penalties to satisfy every masochistic eve player!
Not really, no. Your "SP pool" is too large and still allows for "insta-training." "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |

Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:46:00 -
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Well, finally some constructive criticism. An answers like "No, because NO!" really makes me lose hope in humanity ^^
Retrainable SP cap could ofcourse be adjusted accordingly. I said 2-3m, it can either be 1m if it sounds more fair to you, or can be adjusted on fly, basing on, lets say, total SP? The more SP you have the less you can relocate (newbie friendly). Also, dont say these 2-3m or even 1m is much compared to racial carrier which is x14 multiplier that gives 3,6m SP at level 5. Its the bright side of this idea. You and especially new players, can respec their x1 skills and other little mistakes while FOTM roller carrier pilot cant remove his high SP skills for next few years.
An size of such storage pool could be also capped and adjusted so players cant store unlimited amount of SP. Good catch!
About "mistakes". Yeah, for some people it doesnt make much of problem, but some players cant simply stand having mining IV or industry V on their sheets. It would only help one group of players without hurting the other. Win=win, no? |

Large Collidable Object
morons.
1128
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:39:00 -
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No dual training/untraining and no SP pool - skills are just untrained and that's it - gone - no refunds. Then I'd be fine with it. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
585
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:33:00 -
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No |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1046
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:02:00 -
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Yeah...I already proposed pretty much this exact same idea and got flamed to hell for it. I still think CCP is going to do an SP respec of some sort and this idea is better than no idea and letting them **** it up. If there were to be an SP respec then this is how I would want to see it done. Preferably I don't want any respec at all but I recognize that I am the minority in this desire and the average player being the majority wants something like this. CCP want's to make the barrier to entry to EvE a little less daunting to increase subs and retain more new subs. That being said I would not rage quit like a little girl on the rag if they did implement something like this. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
321
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:17:00 -
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You people don't know how to read..... seriously....go back to school...and learn to read.
#### No....for the millionth billionth time.
Stop being dense for once.
If you can't learn to live with your choices....then please quit the game and Biomass your toon because we don't care about your tearful whines anymore. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |

Tidurious
The Dirty Rejects Scelus Sceleris.
68
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Posted - 2012.02.13 20:51:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:You people don't know how to read..... seriously....go back to school...and learn to read.
#### No....for the millionth billionth time.
Stop being dense for once.
If you can't learn to live with your choices....then please quit the game and Biomass your toon because we don't care about your tearful whines anymore.
this ^^
Stop ******* posting about SP reallocations, purchasing remaps or SP, SP "catch-up" for not being active for a while. It's all bullshit and won't happen, as it would be game-wrecking in EVE.
Get the **** over the bad decisions you made, learn that actions/choices have consequences, and STFU! |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1050
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:10:00 -
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You got that OP? You are not allowed to have your own opinions or desire to make changes that don't fall directly in line with what everybody else wants because Drake and Tidurious said so!
There have been a few other threads on this already. All of which the same people have gone ape **** crazy in because they refuse to accept that other people want things they don't approve of.
Don't worry...they will be the ones eating crow when CCP eventually makes a change with SP refunds. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
326
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Posted - 2012.02.13 23:00:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You got that OP? You are not allowed to have your own opinions or desire to make changes that don't fall directly in line with what everybody else wants because Drake and Tidurious said so!
There have been a few other threads on this already. All of which the same people have gone ape **** crazy in because they refuse to accept that other people want things they don't approve of.
Don't worry...they will be the ones eating crow when CCP eventually makes a change with SP refunds.
Maybe if you turned your brain on long enough to comprehend youd understand.
Your entitled to your opinion allright.
Your also entitled to get called out for your stupidity as well.
You knew that the moment you started spouting half the crap you post.
Start doing your research on these subjects and stop spitballing crap for once people...some of us have seen the same damn idea every damn week every bloody time and they are given the same damn answer every bloody time.
Maybe if you bothered to listen first and speak later you'd get it.
CCP can do what they want they want...but they will certainly not be listening to you thats for sure....or the OP....they listen to the majority of the people who paly this game.
And anyone who thinks they can make these stupid ideas based on threats of subscription base quitting maybe you should actually TALK to these said subscribers for once. Never assume everyone is just gonna die with glee and complete joy over your ideas....start acceptnig the fact that maybe 1 in 100...1 in a 1000 will work...and just maybe you'll get somewhere.
I have little mercy or paitence for reposted ideas...I expect the same treatment of myself if I did so..and already have recevied such treatment. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |

Ngaio
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.19 14:51:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You got that OP? You are not allowed to have your own opinions or desire to make changes that don't fall directly in line with what everybody else wants because Drake and Tidurious said so!
There have been a few other threads on this already. All of which the same people have gone ape **** crazy in because they refuse to accept that other people want things they don't approve of.
Don't worry...they will be the ones eating crow when CCP eventually makes a change with SP refunds. Maybe if you turned your brain on long enough to comprehend youd understand. Your entitled to your opinion allright. Your also entitled to get called out for your stupidity as well. You knew that the moment you started spouting half the crap you post. Start doing your research on these subjects and stop spitballing crap for once people...some of us have seen the same damn idea every damn week every bloody time and they are given the same damn answer every bloody time. Maybe if you bothered to listen first and speak later you'd get it. CCP can do what they want they want...but they will certainly not be listening to you thats for sure....or the OP....they listen to the majority of the people who paly this game. And anyone who thinks they can make these stupid ideas based on threats of subscription base quitting maybe you should actually TALK to these said subscribers for once. Never assume everyone is just gonna die with glee and complete joy over your ideas....start acceptnig the fact that maybe 1 in 100...1 in a 1000 will work...and just maybe you'll get somewhere. I have little mercy or paitence for reposted ideas...I expect the same treatment of myself if I did so..and already have recevied such treatment.
WOW, you're one of those folks, who completely lost connection with reality. You're so damn stuck in EVE world, that you see freedom of others' speech as your own right. What you say is sacred. If CCP will ever add respec, I'm sure you'll still be stuck in EVE anyway, or maybe a bit more on forums, trolling about it, but then others will not give a damn about it. If people were not so insisting on ideas, reopening old topics, there would have been very little changes in EVE, as they would just disappear with pointless answers like yours. If you're against something state your opinion, and shut up, and don't try to shut up others. Also get a life. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
442
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Posted - 2012.02.19 17:13:00 -
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Biomass yourself |

Kimbeau Surveryor
Stapeley House
2
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Posted - 2012.02.19 17:22:00 -
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Tradiotionally, Eve has been a harsh world where "live with your mistakes" is the standard mantra. In such a world, perhaps retraining skills does not fit well. It also doesn't fit with the RP aspect -- you can't respec your training in the real world, after all.
On the other hand, if CCP see reskilling as an important way to up subscriptions, then this proposal seems a less unreasonable approach than many. You could even imagine a RP scenario to explain, for example, how neural wiping whilst you sleep creates space for new skills to be injected unusually rapidly.
I'm not sure CCP would be right to imagine that this will increase subs -- maybe people buy new subs to train extra toons the way they wanted them (as I did for an uber-salvage/reprocessing toon), whereas in the new world they would just respec their existing toon. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1074
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Posted - 2012.02.20 07:34:00 -
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Kimbeau Surveryor wrote:Tradiotionally, Eve has been a harsh world where "live with your mistakes" is the standard mantra. In such a world, perhaps retraining skills does not fit well. It also doesn't fit with the RP aspect -- you can't respec your training in the real world, after all.
On the other hand, if CCP see reskilling as an important way to up subscriptions, then this proposal seems a less unreasonable approach than many. You could even imagine a RP scenario to explain, for example, how neural wiping whilst you sleep creates space for new skills to be injected unusually rapidly.
I'm not sure CCP would be right to imagine that this will increase subs -- maybe people buy new subs to train extra toons the way they wanted them (as I did for an uber-salvage/reprocessing toon), whereas in the new world they would just respec their existing toon. I agree with you on most of your post. Thing is the vast majority of gamers are casual and can't afford a second toon or biomassing and starting over. I don't think CCP would lose a lot of subs with a respec option just from the lack of needing a second toon. Most, if not all of us have a second toon out of necessity. Capital cyno's, Warfare Links, etc. We might see a lot of people ragequit because they simply cannot handle change and think they are losing some sort of advantage if a respec option was made available...but I think that would be the limit of lost subs. Would CCP gain more subs with a respec option? I doubt it would increase the rate at which new players try the game...a free to play option would do that. But it would help with retaining more players that would otherwise leave due to the lack of a respec option once they realized they screwed their toon and it would take another several months to catch up to where they want to be.
What if the respec option was limited to the skill category the skills are in? In other words...missile launcher SP stays in the missile category. Engineer SP stays in the Engineering category. Navigation SP stays in the Navigation category, and so on. Granted this would still allow a player to go from being a full Caldari toon to a full Gallente toon or whatever but at least you couldn't go from being a miner or trade toon to a full combat toon. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Triana
Bulls On Parade
8
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Posted - 2012.02.20 12:51:00 -
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FFS, this topic shows up every other monday. No respec ever, stop kicking a dead horse, we dont need and dont want respec. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
339
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Posted - 2012.02.20 15:38:00 -
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Ngaio wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You got that OP? You are not allowed to have your own opinions or desire to make changes that don't fall directly in line with what everybody else wants because Drake and Tidurious said so!
There have been a few other threads on this already. All of which the same people have gone ape **** crazy in because they refuse to accept that other people want things they don't approve of.
Don't worry...they will be the ones eating crow when CCP eventually makes a change with SP refunds. Maybe if you turned your brain on long enough to comprehend youd understand. Your entitled to your opinion allright. Your also entitled to get called out for your stupidity as well. You knew that the moment you started spouting half the crap you post. Start doing your research on these subjects and stop spitballing crap for once people...some of us have seen the same damn idea every damn week every bloody time and they are given the same damn answer every bloody time. Maybe if you bothered to listen first and speak later you'd get it. CCP can do what they want they want...but they will certainly not be listening to you thats for sure....or the OP....they listen to the majority of the people who paly this game. And anyone who thinks they can make these stupid ideas based on threats of subscription base quitting maybe you should actually TALK to these said subscribers for once. Never assume everyone is just gonna die with glee and complete joy over your ideas....start acceptnig the fact that maybe 1 in 100...1 in a 1000 will work...and just maybe you'll get somewhere. I have little mercy or paitence for reposted ideas...I expect the same treatment of myself if I did so..and already have recevied such treatment. WOW, you're one of those folks, who completely lost connection with reality. You're so damn stuck in EVE world, that you see freedom of others' speech as your own right. What you say is sacred. If CCP will ever add respec, I'm sure you'll still be stuck in EVE anyway, or maybe a bit more on forums, trolling about it, but then others will not give a damn about it. If people were not so insisting on ideas, reopening old topics, there would have been very little changes in EVE, as they would just disappear with pointless answers like yours. If you're against something state your opinion, and shut up, and don't try to shut up others. Also get a life.
Oh look at that....I do believe hes mad bro.
================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1074
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Posted - 2012.02.20 17:33:00 -
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Triana wrote:FFS, this topic shows up every other monday. No respec ever, stop kicking a dead horse, we dont need and dont want respec. Obviously, if it comes up every other Monday then there must be people that want a respec option. If CCP has proven anything, it is that you have to kick the dead horse for quite a while before it gets done.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
341
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Posted - 2012.02.20 19:00:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Triana wrote:FFS, this topic shows up every other monday. No respec ever, stop kicking a dead horse, we dont need and dont want respec. Obviously, if it comes up every other Monday then there must be people that want a respec option. If CCP has proven anything, it is that you have to kick the dead horse for quite a while before it gets done.
So If I keep scraeming like a little 3 year old saying I should get paid 1 billion ISK a week for playing EVE online every other day then I'll get it?
Oh wat.... ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
452
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:02:00 -
[22] - Quote
Drake Draconis wrote:
So If I keep scraeming like a little 3 year old saying I should get paid 1 billion ISK a week for playing EVE online every other day then I'll get it?
Oh wat....
start the thread
I will support you |

Spikeflach
Purge. The Dominion Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.02.21 20:37:00 -
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I don't understand the concept of removing skills. There really would be no benefit that i can see other than you can wave at people going "hey i got mining level 5 removed!"
It takes like 5 days for anyone to train mining to level 5. If you have been playing eve for 1 year or so, that training time is insignificant. Just spend 5 days training the skill you want trained. It seems like it would take just as long as it would take for these "un-training" queues.
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Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
134
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:08:00 -
[24] - Quote
This topic yet again?
Ok, I'll bite.
This is a fantastic idea. It will help me no end with rebalancing the 65mil SP I have so I can fly only the best ships and use all the best mods. I will become epic overnight when I get rid of all of my useless Industry, Trade and Science skills that I never use.
I will be able to fly all race's Dreads and Carriers with the SP I will get back. All of a sudden there will be tons of Cap capable pilots in my corp without having to train for the skills. WOOT! SIGN ME UP NOW!
And there you see the problem with respec. It will NOT! help new players in the slightest as their skills will not be measured in weeks, only a few days. How does this proposal help the new guy that's been playing for 9 weeks? How does it bridge the gap between new players and older players?
This proposal will only help older players who will get the most SP back in any respec suggestions, it will do nothing to improve subscriptions to EVE.
Yet again a proposal that is very one sided and does not take into account other sections of the EVE community.
Come on guys, stop thinking of yourselves and at least try and benefit as many people as you can, if you can't benefit all.
I don't support this proposal. |

Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
3
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:24:00 -
[25] - Quote
Smiling Menace wrote:This topic yet again? This is a fantastic idea. It will help me no end with rebalancing the 65mil SP I have so I can fly only the best ships and use all the best mods. I will become epic overnight when I get rid of all of my useless Industry, Trade and Science skills that I never use.
I will be able to fly all race's Dreads and Carriers with the SP I will get back. All of a sudden there will be tons of Cap capable pilots in my corp without having to train for the skills. WOOT! SIGN ME UP NOW!
And now you explain us how you will do all of this with just 3m SP?
Dont make yourself look any more ******** and go read the first post, not just topics title. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
815
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Posted - 2012.02.22 13:33:00 -
[26] - Quote
I'd just like to give my credit card number to CCP and pay for SP (limited per year)
CCP would win more money instead of those selling CCP's property on the internet like 65/100M SP toons for 1500Gé¼ and +
Look at my right hand CCP, I'm playing with my CC and it has lots of moneys in. Do you want me to give you some?
Now let's read all those nerds whatever blahblahblah about instant gratification blahblahblah, because paying them via pay-pal real money for their toon is not instant gratification, it's due money for their hard work training the toon...that belongs to CCP. |

Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
86
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Posted - 2012.02.22 14:21:00 -
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Not supported, you made the choice to train the skills you have same as anyone else live with it. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
341
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:12:00 -
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Tekashi Kovacs wrote:Smiling Menace wrote:This topic yet again? This is a fantastic idea. It will help me no end with rebalancing the 65mil SP I have so I can fly only the best ships and use all the best mods. I will become epic overnight when I get rid of all of my useless Industry, Trade and Science skills that I never use.
I will be able to fly all race's Dreads and Carriers with the SP I will get back. All of a sudden there will be tons of Cap capable pilots in my corp without having to train for the skills. WOOT! SIGN ME UP NOW!
And now you explain us how you will do all of this with just 3m SP? Dont make yourself look any more ******** and go read the first post, not just topics title.
This nooblet isn't very bright is he?
Allow me to highlight your foolishness Tekashi....
a 65 Mil SP Toon with 3 Mil SP to play with is a dangerous thing...
But then you didn't think that far did you? ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
1007
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:29:00 -
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I'd use it if it were there, but don't care if it's never implemented. There's the obvious problem of potential abuse that would require it be very limited in scope if it existed at all, that's for certain.
I could probably free up 2-3 months of useless skills with a system such as this. The thing for bittervets to remember is that not everyone has the luxury of having all the basics down. It has taken me MONTHS of training to get into the Proteus that I'll be able to fly tonight (but still need another month's worth of skills to fly well)...and that's after flying a Legion for more than half a year.
Devil's advocate:
Let's say you started as Minmatar and have been training long enough to fly most T2 cruisers, T3s, and battleships with T2 guns. You decide you want to add Amarr ships to your hangar. It takes roughly 50 days to train from Small Energy Turret I to Large Pulse Laser Specialization I. An additional 7 days for T2 beam lasers of all sizes. 35 days for Frigate 5, Cruiser 5, and Battleship 3.
So it takes 90+ days to switch ships and guns to a new race, and that's not counting what it might take for you to train for a new kind of tank. It's quite easy for a player's first cross-training to require 4-6 months. For someone like myself, that represents 25% of total playtime in Eve.
It's for this reason that I wouldn't object to having some method for freeing up skill points, allowing rookie mistakes and aborted career paths to be repurposed so that players can get on to enjoying the game rather than regretting permanent mistakes. Losing a ship, getting podded, all those other mistakes are temporary: I can replace it all through grinding. Waste skill points? They're gone forever.
edit: this could also be made into a tremendous isk sink if it cost per SP, and the cost went up for every SP you had removed. |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
341
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:11:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I'd use it if it were there, but don't care if it's never implemented. There's the obvious problem of potential abuse that would require it be very limited in scope if it existed at all, that's for certain.
I could probably free up 2-3 months of useless skills with a system such as this. The thing for bittervets to remember is that not everyone has the luxury of having all the basics down. It has taken me MONTHS of training to get into the Proteus that I'll be able to fly tonight (but still need another month's worth of skills to fly well)...and that's after flying a Legion for more than half a year.
Devil's advocate:
Let's say you started as Minmatar and have been training long enough to fly most T2 cruisers, T3s, and battleships with T2 guns. You decide you want to add Amarr ships to your hangar. It takes roughly 50 days to train from Small Energy Turret I to Large Pulse Laser Specialization I. An additional 7 days for T2 beam lasers of all sizes. 35 days for Frigate 5, Cruiser 5, and Battleship 3.
So it takes 90+ days to switch ships and guns to a new race, and that's not counting what it might take for you to train for a new kind of tank. It's quite easy for a player's first cross-training to require 4-6 months. For someone like myself, that represents 25% of total playtime in Eve.
It's for this reason that I wouldn't object to having some method for freeing up skill points, allowing rookie mistakes and aborted career paths to be repurposed so that players can get on to enjoying the game rather than regretting permanent mistakes. Losing a ship, getting podded, all those other mistakes are temporary: I can replace it all through grinding. Waste skill points? They're gone forever.
edit: this could also be made into a tremendous isk sink if it cost per SP, and the cost went up for every SP you had removed.
This....problem is...unlike us seasoned pilots....people WILL abuse this to hell and back.
It would have to be very drastic penalties...but the problem is....with how easy it is to get ISK....I would still shoot the idea down.
================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
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