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Ichandasil
Minmatar
Department of Defence
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Posted - 2008.01.28 05:38:00 -
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I want to take on an electronic warfare role for small gang pvp but I have two problems, I fly Minmatar and I have less than 4 mil sp's. I need an answer to two questions. First, what Minmatar ship would be best for this role and second, should I run ECM or ECCM on it in order to help my gang the most.
Also, any suggested fittings would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.01.28 06:16:00 -
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Minmitar have the short end of the stick as far as EWAR is concerned. Without the bonuses of caldari ECM boats (or the plentiful midslots) ECM loses much of it's effectiveness. As a Minmitar, if you were to use ECM you'd be forced to operate FAR closer to the enemy than you'd like, you jammers would only operate at about half the strength of a caldari ship and you won't have as many of them available.
Minmitar however use painters as their favored EWAR. If you gang consists of lots of missile users, then they will of course love you when you paint battlecruisers and cruisers up to battleship size. Turret ships benefit from painting as well, but it's seemingly less pronounced than on missile ships. Another option is dampners, though they are not nearly as effective as they once were.
That being said, as a minmitar player I'm inclined to believe you should be pounding people with artillery or getting in close with autocannons. Minmitar generally does the damage/tackle part of a gang far better than they can do EWAR support.
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.01.28 06:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Ichandasil
I want to take on an electronic warfare role for small gang pvp but I have two problems, I fly Minmatar and I have less than 4 mil sp's. I need an answer to two questions. First, what Minmatar ship would be best for this role and second, should I run ECM or ECCM on it in order to help my gang the most.
Also, any suggested fittings would be appreciated. Thanks.
Minmatar's favored EWAR is target painters, which are... unimpressive. They do have the nice bonus of their recons getting extended web range which is an excellent bonus with the popularity of nano gangs. As a minmatar I think you're best blasting holes through people while going really really fast.
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Snake Assault
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Posted - 2008.01.28 07:26:00 -
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What has been said above.
It can't hurt to give it a try, though. At your level the ship of choice would be a Vigil.
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Pac SubCom
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kadoes Khan
Minmatar's favored EWAR is target painters, which are... unimpressive.
Minnie EW is speed and alpha strike, which they could not use without target painters.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.01.28 10:31:00 -
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Target Painters are vastly underrated.
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UGLYUGLY
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Posted - 2008.01.28 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Target Painters are vastly underrated.
Not with the latest torp changes they are not.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.28 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
Minmitar have the short end of the stick as far as EWAR is concerned.
Uhm this is not true. Racial ew for minmatar is web range + TP. Caldari get dual ecm bonus. Gellente is scram range + damp and amarr is TD + nos. And its actually amarr thats getting the short end of the stick because web range ew is redicilously powerful while TDs are utter crap and nos aint that great anymore.
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.01.28 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
And its actually amarr thats getting the short end of the stick because web range ew is redicilously powerful while TDs are utter crap and nos aint that great anymore.
Well huggin/rapier > curse/pilgrim in my experience for most cases. TP's are still utter crap imo. On the other hand with damps now being as crappy as tds i think the gallente also compete in the most useless ewar game. However most parties will agree that falcon is better than all of them and then some.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Clearspace Operations
Carpe Diem.
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:05:00 -
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Nano a Vigil and put a punch of nice Target painters on it and watch the inty's start getting hit by heavy missiles and medium artillery.
Target painting works great, you just have to get your head out of your ass to know it.
(PSSSST, guess what, they aren't just good for missiles! A larger sig radius makes GUNS hit more often too! HOLY COW!)
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
Nano a Vigil and put a punch of nice Target painters on it and watch the inty's start getting hit by heavy missiles and medium artillery.
A sane inty pilot will have his mwd running anyway. His sig is already through the roof. Paint him all you want heavy missiles still will barely hit him because he is too fast. Of course if you use a webber instead of a painter theres no problem...
Originally by: Megan Maynard
Target painting works great, you just have to get your head out of your ass to know it.
You just have to understand game mechanics to know they aren't very hot.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
Nano a Vigil and put a punch of nice Target painters on it and watch the inty's start getting hit by heavy missiles and medium artillery.
Target painting works great, you just have to get your head out of your ass to know it.
(PSSSST, guess what, they aren't just good for missiles! A larger sig radius makes GUNS hit more often too! HOLY COW!)
better off using a hyena with a web and a TP.
oh and torp raven + painters = ohshi--
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