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Larno Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.01.28 09:02:00 - [1] Edited by: Larno on 28/01/2008 09:04:03 Chimera Fitting: Capital Shield Booster I Dread Guristas Shield Booster Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Booster Amplifier Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Semiconductor Memory Coil I/II (expensive) Semiconductor Memory Coil I/II Semiconductor Memory Coil I 13,126.61 shield per 10 seconds (75.2/80.1/85.1/90.1 resists) sustainable *forever... nerf? Oh btw, you have enough cap left over to run two large smartbombs forever as well. And this is just with crappy low meta-level items. Wyvern: Capital Shield Booster I Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Photon Scattering Field Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Semiconductor Memory Coil II Semiconductor Memory Coil II Semiconductor Memory Coil I 14,523.13 shield per 10 seconds (90.6/87.9/90.9/93.9 resists) sustainable forever*... mega nerf? Same as previous setup, you have enough cap left over to run two large smartbombs forever.... and then you have another 100 cap per second left over, give or take. I got no problems with a ship being this powerful, but at the end of the day, a Thanatos/Nyx or Archon/Aeon can't touch this, its not even close. ---------- "Whining gets you stuff, that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.28 09:22:00 - [2] where are all these carrier 1v1s happening? sounds awesome. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Larno Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.01.28 09:32:00 - [3] Originally by: ry ry where are all these carrier 1v1s happening? sounds awesome. Cause you would be better off fitting damage mods in your lows? ---------- "Whining gets you stuff, that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Qianzing Yanshu	Posted - 2008.01.28 09:40:00 - [4] When I rebuild your setup for a Wyvern in EveFit I only 11668SP/10sec. and that with all skills Lvl5. Do you apply maximum bonuses from other ships/leadership-skills/implants?
Riho Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.01.28 09:53:00 - [5] i hope the OP didnt use a crystal set as it doesnt work whit cap booster :P ---------------------------------- This is Me
Larno Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.01.28 09:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Qianzing Yanshu When I rebuild your setup for a Wyvern in EveFit I only 11668SP/10sec. and that with all skills Lvl5. Do you apply maximum bonuses from other ships/leadership-skills/implants? Don't know what the exact stacking penalty is but: Base 7200 shield boost x 1.45 (Pith X-Type) = 10,440, x 1.45 = 15138 (its obviously less than this after you take into account the stacking penalty. I'm using EFT 2.4.1. ---------- "Whining gets you stuff, that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Calexis Atredies Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.28 10:20:00 - [7] /me coughs... I'm sorry did you never notice that caldari carriers are meant to be the best at tanking?? Did you ever notice that their racial bonuses per level are to their shields? We dont complain that the nyx has that nice bamage bonus, or that crystals dont affect our caps unlike your slave sets... Lols at a gallente char saying caldari is "overpowered"
Qianzing Yanshu	Posted - 2008.01.28 10:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Larno Originally by: Qianzing Yanshu When I rebuild your setup for a Wyvern in EveFit I only 11668SP/10sec. and that with all skills Lvl5. Do you apply maximum bonuses from other ships/leadership-skills/implants? Don't know what the exact stacking penalty is but: Base 7200 shield boost x 1.45 (Pith X-Type) = 10,440, x 1.45 = 15138 (its obviously less than this after you take into account the stacking penalty. I'm using EFT 2.4.1. Me silly... I mixed up the names of carrier and mothership. I meant the carrier. I have a discrepancy there between your numbers and mine, too.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.28 10:36:00 - [9] Problem with fluxes is twofold: 1) the increase in cap/s isn't that much higher from PDU's 2) they totally destroy your buffer I use cap power relays instead - they give a ton more cap, at the cost of a small boost penalty.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.28 10:44:00 - [10] Yeah, in case NOBODY comes around with anything NOS/NEUT, you can perma-tank somewhere around 5-8k incoming DPS. So what ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.28 10:59:00 - [11] That seems compareble to a single cap rep dread tank. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.28 11:45:00 - [12] Not to burst your bubble, the tank really is amazing. 10k DPS with some mild faction gear, but the cap is very..'unstable'.. a single battleship loaded with heavy neuts will take you under your optimal recharge when your tank is running.
Larno Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.01.28 11:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Calexis Atredies /me coughs... I'm sorry did you never notice that caldari carriers are meant to be the best at tanking?? Did you ever notice that their racial bonuses per level are to their shields? We dont complain that the nyx has that nice bamage bonus, or that crystals dont affect our caps unlike your slave sets... Lols at a gallente char saying caldari is "overpowered" Your argument doesn't hold, Amarr ships get the armor resistance bonus, but still totally suck compared to the Caldari ships. Originally by: Akita T Yeah, in case NOBODY comes around with anything NOS/NEUT, you can perma-tank somewhere around 5-8k incoming DPS. So what ? The Wyvern setup has plenty of extra cap, and still, an armor tanking capital setup would also be vulnerable to nos/neut. With the amount of cap left over after being nos/neuted, the shield tanking ships still have better cap per HP efficiency than the armor tanking ships. ---------- "Whining gets you stuff, that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Larno Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.01.28 11:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Sokratesz Not to burst your bubble, the tank really is amazing. 10k DPS with some mild faction gear, but the cap is very..'unstable'.. a single battleship loaded with heavy neuts will take you under your optimal recharge when your tank is running. Noone says you have to always run your shield booster permanently. Hey it's nice but it just doesn't work like that. You can turn it on and off when you need to and you still have a better tank than a similarly fitted armor tanking ship, if the armor tanking ship was also under fire from a nos/neut BS. ---------- "Whining gets you stuff, that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.28 12:05:00 - [15] So, how come nobody's whining about the Amarr carrier/mothership then ? It has the same resist bonus, armor has better base resists to begin with, and it can (marginally) perma-run up to THREE cap reps, putting the peak tankable damage above that of a Caldari carrier/mothership. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Stefan F Enrave Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.28 12:06:00 - [16] Well on sub-capital ships "you" armortankers have the advantage of fitting ewar mods on capital s hips "we" have the advantage of a better tank. Hmm let me think what shiptype was used again most of the time?
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.28 12:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Sokratesz on 28/01/2008 12:17:18 Originally by: Larno Originally by: Sokratesz Not to burst your bubble, the tank really is amazing. 10k DPS with some mild faction gear, but the cap is very..'unstable'.. a single battleship loaded with heavy neuts will take you under your optimal recharge when your tank is running. Noone says you have to always run your shield booster permanently. Hey it's nice but it just doesn't work like that. You can turn it on and off when you need to and you still have a better tank than a similarly fitted armor tanking ship, if the armor tanking ship was also under fire from a nos/neut BS. Howmuch experience do you have in one exactly? I'm pretty new with it but i guess its more than you. In a large capfight, you want to permarun your tank, or at least half your tank if you've got dual armor reppers. Amarr Capitals have a few advantages over the caldari ones: 1) armor resist mods are way cheaper than comparable shield mods 2) there are various implants (akemon, heirloom, slave set) to drastically increase the armor HP, these dont exist for shield 3) the armor compensation skills actually do something useful for active tanks whereas the shield compensation skills are useless unless youre totally out of cap (no shieldtanking cap pilot will use only passive gear, since its just not on par with the active ones)
angelena Caldari AND THEN NO YOU	Posted - 2008.01.28 12:20:00 - [18] And 1 arazu will damp it and make it useless and not be able to lock anything.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.28 12:37:00 - [19] Originally by: angelena And 1 arazu will damp it and make it useless and not be able to lock anything. 'Immune to all forms of electronic warfare' And for the chimera..just always carry an ECCM and a sensorbooster ;)
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.28 13:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Larno Originally by: ry ry where are all these carrier 1v1s happening? sounds awesome. Cause you would be better off fitting damage mods in your lows? what? no. you're missing the point. carriers don't exist in a vacuum* there are other factors (often in the form of other ships shooting you, sometimes not) that come into play. as virtually everybody else in the thread has already mentioned. well they clearly do, what with this being a space game and all, but i mean a metaphorical* vacuum. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:05:00 - [21] It really doesn't seem to be much of a problem. In reality the armour tankers have it better because it's far more common to find remote armour repairers on carriers/motherships than remote shield repairers. That's far more important that the ships personal tank in real combat. --- MOZO
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:19:00 - [22] Lol Larno. Tell you what, ill attempt to go to your level of debating. The Archon can tank just as good my Chimera, and you can fit sensor boosters. nerf? Now...what do i win?
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:30:00 - [23] Their higher tanking level is the only real reason to fly the caldari carriers at all. Anyway, they get messed up very badly by neuts, so I don't really see a problem.
Eclip SUBLIME L.L.C.	Posted - 2008.01.29 02:14:00 - [24] fit a sensor booster and a warp scram for killing carriers and run ur numbers again in EFT. EFT should be banned by noobs coz they have no idea about the game fullstop. fits some tackle to u chimera and a sensorbooster to lock anything b4 it warps off and ur tank diminishes remarkable. Fit it to a thanatos or archon and nothing much changes other then a little cap recharge. also even tho EFT says ur cap stable u proberly arnt since a capital booster takes so much cap u can actually dip under ur optimum recharge rate and cap urself out. CPR's are usually a much better option especially the TS ones due to the lower booster reduction. Resulting in you abole to use shield transfer mods. a chimera isnt much good with alot of other carriers that have remote armor reps fitted either they kinda die first in that respect. -------------------------------------------------- It is not what u are underneath, but what you do that defines you
Malthros Zenobia The Cold Wind Foundation	Posted - 2008.01.29 02:46:00 - [25] There's a nerf for your setup, it's called Nos and Neuts. Spider-tank with cpital cap and shield xfers, you won't need to worry about having your cap sustain itself, because you'll be sustained while sustaining others. If you're going to play with EFT, I can setup an Aeon that tanks 12607 DPS, with 3.8million effective HP, and that is with no gang bonus and no implants: Lows: 3x Shaqil's EANM 1x DCU II (there's a COSMOs one that is better iirc) 4x Capital Armor Repairer Mids: 3x Chelm's Cap recharger 1x empty space for whatever you want Highs: 6x whatever Rigs: 2x CCC II 1x CCC I 91.7/86.5/84.4/83.3 resists Capacitor: -427.6 +449.5 343750 armor, this does not include Slave implants, or the 8% Akemon Armor hardwiring. I'd say it's pretty comparable to your Wyvern, especially given the Insanely huge HP buffer the Aeon can have. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.29 03:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Calexis Atredies /me coughs... I'm sorry did you never notice that caldari carriers are meant to be the best at tanking?? Did you ever notice that their racial bonuses per level are to their shields? We dont complain that the nyx has that nice bamage bonus, or that crystals dont affect our caps unlike your slave sets... Lols at a gallente char saying caldari is "overpowered" the amarr one gets a resistance bonus too :D and anyways here comes the neuts to push your p00p in
marie claude Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.29 03:38:00 - [27] SLAP! stop asking for nerfs. cap ships are supposed to be hard to kill.at what they cost a titan should be almost unkillable. trinity = EPIC FAIL
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.29 04:15:00 - [28] op confuses overpowered invulnerability hardeners with cap flux II and caldari carriers being overpowered. If you put two billion isk in faction mods and t2 rigs on a chimera it better tank well. Put 40 bil in kit an wyvern and you better be getting a tank like that. putting equivalent kit on an archon or aeon gives a tank thats barely weaker than the caldari ships, leaves them with more cap, more usable midslots, and most importantly an armor tank for spider tanking.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.29 05:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Larno Chimera Fitting.............. Somebody just discovered EFT by the looks
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.29 07:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Eclip Edited by: Eclip on 29/01/2008 02:20:52 fit a sensor booster and a warp scram for killing carriers and run ur numbers again in EFT. EFT should be banned by noobs coz they have no idea about the game fullstop. fits some tackle to u chimera and a sensorbooster to lock anything b4 it warps off and ur tank diminishes remarkable. Fit it to a thanatos or archon and nothing much changes other then a little cap recharge. also even tho EFT says ur cap stable u proberly arnt since a capital booster takes so much cap u can actually dip under ur optimum recharge rate and cap urself out. CPR's are usually a much better option especially the TS ones due to the lower booster reduction. Resulting in you abole to use shield transfer mods. a chimera isnt much good with alot of other carriers that have remote armor reps fitted either they kinda die first in that respect. Ur wyvern fitting uses uber modsin excess of 35 billion. and ur chimera fit costs more then ur ship. No matter how much u spend on tank if everyone is shooting at you in a carrier ur dead. much better to spend tht isk on another carrier which u can get back on the battlefield with. Oh i nearly forgot runa remote capital rep with an archon and chimera with approiate faction fittings and the archon runs for 3 times as long and tankes the same sustainable amout of DPS. Shield is for burst taking armor is more for slug fests. Type that again without so much 'u' and 'ur' and i might read it. My god what an awful bit of text.

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