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Devian 666 Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.29 03:41:00 - [1] In recent conflicts both hactors and dictors have been used inside pos shields. This activity does not put the hactor or dictor at risk while allowing them to effectively tackle attacking ships. The use of area effect weapons within a pos shield with no risk to the person using them is contrary to the eve philosophy of taking risks to get kills. There is also the issue of imbalance as there is no counter to this activity. This mechanic needs to be altered so that no area of effect warp disruptors or weapons will activate within the pos forcefield. Any discussion is welcome. Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.29 04:30:00 - [2] I don't think this should be changed, because if they change it they could also possibly change bubbles outside of the pos from effecting ships inside the pos. And i rather like putting large bubbles outside of a pos to trap the doomed inhabitants A bigger eve Annndd..Player Factions
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Eve University	Posted - 2008.01.29 04:41:00 - [3] Originally by: ghosttr I don't think this should be changed, because if they change it they could also possibly change bubbles outside of the pos from effecting ships inside the pos. And i rather like putting large bubbles outside of a pos to trap the doomed inhabitants It should be changed. Just as carriers have to sit outside the shields to deploy fighters should 'dictors of any sort be required to sit outside the shield to use bubbles.
Devian 666 Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.29 10:38:00 - [4] Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Originally by: ghosttr I don't think this should be changed, because if they change it they could also possibly change bubbles outside of the pos from effecting ships inside the pos. And i rather like putting large bubbles outside of a pos to trap the doomed inhabitants It should be changed. Just as carriers have to sit outside the shields to deploy fighters should 'dictors of any sort be required to sit outside the shield to use bubbles. You both have very relevant points. I support the use of anchorable bubbles and dictors/hactors outside of the pos shield. That is something that can be countered and puts assets in play. That is actually strategic and requires risk. It's the ability to activate the dictor/hactor bubbles inside the pos forcefield where you can't shoot at them, and therefore you do not risk the ships. No counter and is therefore boring. Also getting kills with no risk is clearly unbalanced. Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
Conrad Rock Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.29 13:51:00 - [5] I agree completely. The problem is activating a bubble from within the POS shields, not activating them outside teh shields to trap the people inside, which works fine. It really doesn't look like it was intended to be like this.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.29 13:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Devian 666 Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Originally by: ghosttr I don't think this should be changed, because if they change it they could also possibly change bubbles outside of the pos from effecting ships inside the pos. And i rather like putting large bubbles outside of a pos to trap the doomed inhabitants It should be changed. Just as carriers have to sit outside the shields to deploy fighters should 'dictors of any sort be required to sit outside the shield to use bubbles. You both have very relevant points. I support the use of anchorable bubbles and dictors/hactors outside of the pos shield. That is something that can be countered and puts assets in play. That is actually strategic and requires risk. It's the ability to activate the dictor/hactor bubbles inside the pos forcefield where you can't shoot at them, and therefore you do not risk the ships. No counter and is therefore boring. Also getting kills with no risk is clearly unbalanced. but you need ships outside the shield to do the shooting..... --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Devian 666 Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.29 19:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Arana Tellen Originally by: Devian 666 Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Originally by: ghosttr I don't think this should be changed, because if they change it they could also possibly change bubbles outside of the pos from effecting ships inside the pos. And i rather like putting large bubbles outside of a pos to trap the doomed inhabitants It should be changed. Just as carriers have to sit outside the shields to deploy fighters should 'dictors of any sort be required to sit outside the shield to use bubbles. You both have very relevant points. I support the use of anchorable bubbles and dictors/hactors outside of the pos shield. That is something that can be countered and puts assets in play. That is actually strategic and requires risk. It's the ability to activate the dictor/hactor bubbles inside the pos forcefield where you can't shoot at them, and therefore you do not risk the ships. No counter and is therefore boring. Also getting kills with no risk is clearly unbalanced. but you need ships outside the shield to do the shooting..... That and pos have guns. Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
xttz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.29 19:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Devian 666 There is also the issue of imbalance as there is no counter to this activity The counter is not going within 20km of a hostile POS with a hostile dictor inside.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2008.01.29 21:30:00 - [9] We need a POS-Module that deploys the bubbles then?
Devian 666 Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.29 21:56:00 - [10] Originally by: xttz Originally by: Devian 666 There is also the issue of imbalance as there is no counter to this activity The counter is not going within 20km of a hostile POS with a hostile dictor inside. Yeah it's not like the bubble would pull you towards it or anything. Stop poasting you are terrible. Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
Law Enforcer Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.01.29 22:11:00 - [11] uh, question: who in the hell gets within 20km of a hostile pos anyways?
Devian 666 Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.29 23:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Law Enforcer uh, question: who in the hell gets within 20km of a hostile pos anyways? In recent engagements a lot of people. Originally by: Darkrydar Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
Internet Knight	Posted - 2008.01.30 02:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Law Enforcer uh, question: who in the hell gets within 20km of a hostile pos anyways? Kill the guns. Then you can get at whatever range you want. Or bring in capital ships. They're not afraid of starbases. --- How to resolve Singularity character syncing
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.30 03:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Law Enforcer uh, question: who in the hell gets within 20km of a hostile pos anyways? You do realize that territorial war does happen in this game, right?
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.01.30 10:36:00 - [15] Edited by: thoth foc on 30/01/2008 10:37:35 Originally by: Devian 666 In recent conflicts both hactors and dictors have been used inside pos shields. This activity does not put the hactor or dictor at risk while allowing them to effectively tackle attacking ships. The use of area effect weapons within a pos shield with no risk to the person using them is contrary to the eve philosophy of taking risks to get kills. There is also the issue of imbalance as there is no counter to this activity. This mechanic needs to be altered so that no area of effect warp disruptors or weapons will activate within the pos forcefield. Any discussion is welcome. The simple solution is to add a standings requirement to POS shields ah misread.. and assumed you meant inside a hostile POS.. dont really care about inside friendly POS's it's just part of the risk of attacking a POS.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.01.30 11:09:00 - [16] I disagree with some ideas being put forward, the op makes a valid point and read what he is saying CAREFULLY. Having red standings, imo, should not stop you getting into a hostile pos and bumping/bubbling the happless owners in, if the password doesnt get leaked then it doesnt happen, if you cant trust everyone in your blob then maybe you should cut back on a few of them. If you can bubble people outside who are attacking the pos from inside the shield then it is a problem, as they can be killed but you are untouchable. If you can get inside and bubble people in then it is ok, because imo, you cant be hurt, they cant be hurt, alls fair. POS's are a tad too safe... the DD through shield thing kinda sucks (pretty sure that'll be fixed, msn > petitions) but making people in a pos 100% safe is a bit crap. Just my ideas of how I would like it to work though...
True rage	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:04:00 - [17] Originally by: umop 3pisdn people outside who are attacking the pos...they can be killed but you are untouchable they can be killed, it's normal, they attacked ! you are untouchable : In a real war, we like used tank against troopers, bombers against tank, or submarines against boat. War is not a fair game. War is not a one vs one.

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