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AnKahn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:32:00 - [1] I am a Caldari mission runner (currently) who uses the Drake and Raven for lvl 4 missions. I'm saving isk for my eventual return to PvP. I found my Caldari boats fine for search and destroy gangs and gate camping. High sec wars not so much. I like the merc style of play but that usually involves spreading out solo and picking off enemy travelers. Caldari suck 1 vs 1 as you all know as tackle is a problem. So I'm training Gallente. Drone skills and armor skills are coming along. Gun skills are lagging behind. SO, for a crosstraining Caldari we should assume most have low gun skills unless they torture themselves with Caldari rail boats. Keep in mind this is PvP, as PvE is covered. With this background info please suggest, Vexor vs. Thorax and Brutix vs. Myrm Domi looks good and cheap compared to the Raven for PvP I think also. I have time. The more time I don't PvP the more isk I have and the more skillpoints I will bring to the fight. Of course PvP is really the most fun you can have, training and testing new ships is a distant second but still fun.
Don Guru Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:55:00 - [2] I prefer the brutix and the thorax over either counterparts. Why? They dps with turrets, this gives them the option of using that 50m3 dronebay for utility rather then some cheap dps boost. The thorax is pretty much unbeatable 1v1 cruiser wise if it uses ECM drones and is not cursed with bad luck. The vexor is still a solid ship, probably tied for number 2 cruiser with the rupture, can be nano'd to for fun. But the only reason as to why the thorax is better is the blasters, and the fact that it has that dronebay avavible. Same goes for the Brutix vs Myrmidon debate. Brutix wins, its just that simple. Use ECM drones for solowork and gangs. Yadda yadda this is my alt.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.30 16:56:00 - [3] Edited by: Cambarus on 30/01/2008 16:59:54 Vexor/myrm hands down. The Thorax and brutix need to get into web range to start shooting, whereas the vexor can orbit at 20km, scram and put medium drones on the other guy. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Hank Soral	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Cambarus Edited by: Cambarus on 30/01/2008 16:59:54 Vexor/myrm hands down. The Thorax and brutix need to get into web range to start shooting, whereas the vexor can orbit at 20km, scram and put medium drones on the other guy. Necessity to engage targets @ closer range does not mean drone ships are better than the Thorax/Brutix. Try using a sensible argument to discredit these ships next time.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Hank Soral Originally by: Cambarus Edited by: Cambarus on 30/01/2008 16:59:54 Vexor/myrm hands down. The Thorax and brutix need to get into web range to start shooting, whereas the vexor can orbit at 20km, scram and put medium drones on the other guy. Necessity to engage targets @ closer range does not mean drone ships are better than the Thorax/Brutix. Try using a sensible argument to discredit these ships next time. In one way the argument is valid, if your Brutix or rax is tackled and held down being able to sit at range and let the drones do the work you can be in serious trouble.
Sahriah BloodStone Caldari Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:15:00 - [6] Hey, like you i have PVE covered with caldari and have moved on to Gallente for pvp because i like there style of play... Honestly not having played with the vexor much i cant give an accurate comparison but the way i see it is EDIT: Just go to the bottom and read if you cant be bothered here Tank Vexor/Myrmidon Gank: Thorax/Brutix Thorax: High: 4x Light Neutron Blaster II 1x Med Nos Meds: 10mn MWD warp disrupter II med cap booster (400's) Lows: 2x Med Armor Rep II 1x Damage control 2x Mag field stab II 5X hammerhead II Weak resists with a very nice damage output from this setup. I get around 1400m/s with the MWD. I have 2 armor repairer's mainly for the Rep amount i get from them. I find that the sheer amount of rep lets me live long enough to kill an enemy without dieing but the fit only lets me fit Light Neutrons...they do nice damage surprisingly something comparable to heavy electrons The brutix i love flying because of the amount of damage you can pump out of it High 7x Heavy Electron blaster II Med Cap booster (800's) warp disrupter II web 10mn MWD (1100ish m/s) Low 2x Medium armor rep II 1x mag field stab II 1x Armor explosive hardener II 1x Energized adaptive nano membrane II 5x Hammerhead II Again Duel reps for staying alive long enough to slaughter the enemy, some people may disagree but i find it effective Myrmidon's i use for staying alive, usually if my loving FC says im bait :D Its done me well High 5x Medium Electron Blaster II 1x Med neut II Med Warp disrupter II web cap booster (800's) 10mn MWD (1000ish m/s) sensor booster II OR Cap recharger II Low 2x Med armor Rep II 1x Kinetic hardener II 1x Therm hardener II 1x Explosive hardener II 1x Energized adaptive nano membrane II 5x Hammerhead II With the remaining space in the drone bay i usually fit a combination of either Light II drones, possible ECM drones or logistic, anything really. As you can see i have an obsession with Duel reps :) Hope this helps In a nutshell Myrmidon for survivability, Brutix for sheer poppage, annd thorax rules
AnKahn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:19:00 - [7] Thanks for the replies. I know there are similar threads, so those reading this feel free to ignore mine. I'm just trying to add in the idea of "What Gallente ships should a Caldari pilot fly?" Maybe a better title, but sure to be loled. I just think the blaster Thorax would be fun because it can tank better?(extra low) Also its kind of fun MWDing right tward someone with blasters firing. However someone in another thread admited to losing to a 1600 plated Vexor in his blaster Thorax. This is just for fun guys. I guess if the situation is serious I bring out the Torp Raven, but I'm really looking to learn to PvP better.
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:25:00 - [8] This thread is so full of fail that I'm not even gonna try and post.
Caios Caldari Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov This thread is so full of fail that I'm not even gonna try and post. Posting to say that you aren't posting fails bigger than anything else on this thread. Anyway, I think blaster and drone boats fly different enough that there's not much point in going into the "which is better" debate other than to say that you should fly whichever you find most comfortable flying. That being said, I'd say go with drone ships until you've got a good T2 blaster repertoire, as drones are much more forgiving skill-wise than guns (just be ready to lose more than a few).
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Hank Soral Originally by: Cambarus ... Necessity to engage targets @ closer range does not mean drone ships are better than the Thorax/Brutix. Try using a sensible argument to discredit these ships next time. Trolls FTL, but I hate having my advice called nonsensical, so: Thorax is a cruiser. It has no real tank. If it gets webbed, it dies, quickly. Vexor can orbit outside web range. Vexor wins. Myrm wins purely because of its slot layout. I can fit an awesome tank, has more room for ewar and has the same advantage as the vexor in terms of range. Oh and let's not forget the fact that if you want to go closrange with a vexor or myrm you have the option of fitting nos/neuts in the highs Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

Katrina Coreli The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:41:00 - [11] Edited by: Katrina Coreli on 30/01/2008 18:42:14 Given your bias to drone skills its a no brainer, go for the vexor The rax only realy comes into its own with ECM drones and solid gunnery skills For the Brutix and Myrm its yet again abit of a skill issue, personally i love the brutix and dislike the myrmi The brutix builds on the thorax in a big way in that it can actually take alot of pain as well as dealing it out, its a very fun ship to fly P.S I Would ignore alot of ths setups in this thread
Praxis1452 The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone Hey, like you i have PVE covered with caldari and have moved on to Gallente for pvp because i like there style of play... Honestly not having played with the vexor much i cant give an accurate comparison but the way i see it is EDIT: Just go to the bottom and read if you cant be bothered here Tank Vexor/Myrmidon Gank: Thorax/Brutix Thorax: High: 4x Light Neutron Blaster II 1x Med Nos Meds: 10mn MWD warp disrupter II med cap booster (400's) Lows: 2x Med Armor Rep II 1x Damage control 2x Mag field stab II 5X hammerhead II Weak resists with a very nice damage output from this setup. I get around 1400m/s with the MWD. I have 2 armor repairer's mainly for the Rep amount i get from them. I find that the sheer amount of rep lets me live long enough to kill an enemy without dieing but the fit only lets me fit Light Neutrons...they do nice damage surprisingly something comparable to heavy electrons The brutix i love flying because of the amount of damage you can pump out of it High 7x Heavy Electron blaster II Med Cap booster (800's) warp disrupter II web 10mn MWD (1100ish m/s) Low 2x Medium armor rep II 1x mag field stab II 1x Armor explosive hardener II 1x Energized adaptive nano membrane II 5x Hammerhead II Again Duel reps for staying alive long enough to slaughter the enemy, some people may disagree but i find it effective Myrmidon's i use for staying alive, usually if my loving FC says im bait :D Its done me well High 5x Medium Electron Blaster II 1x Med neut II Med Warp disrupter II web cap booster (800's) 10mn MWD (1000ish m/s) sensor booster II OR Cap recharger II Low 2x Med armor Rep II 1x Kinetic hardener II 1x Therm hardener II 1x Explosive hardener II 1x Energized adaptive nano membrane II 5x Hammerhead II With the remaining space in the drone bay i usually fit a combination of either Light II drones, possible ECM drones or logistic, anything really. As you can see i have an obsession with Duel reps :) Hope this helps In a nutshell Myrmidon for survivability, Brutix for sheer poppage, annd thorax rules Brutix is better like this 7x heavy neutron blaster II's 1x 10mn mwd 1x stasis webifier II 1x warp disruptor/utility in gang utility slot/small cap booster 3x magnetic field stab DCU Power Diag/RCU depending Hammerhead's for gang ECM for solo ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
Anika Mobius	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:01:00 - [13] Vexor gets damage bonuses to both Hybrids and Drones making it the winner in my book. Hammerhead II's and T2 Rails really deliver a fast pounding if all you need is DPS. For those times when you need flexibility send out your ECM, tackling, or neut drones FTW. My typical drone load out looks like 5x Hammerhead II 5x Acolyte EV-300 1x Berserker SW-900 I always keep the the Hammerheads out, and one of the other sets as needed.
Takimoshi Lucky Hydra Corp SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:04:00 - [14] Edited by: Takimoshi on 30/01/2008 19:04:19 The other thing you have to worry about with Thorax is when you or the other person mwd, tracking with the guns can become an issue. Drones don't have that issue. I've personally flown Vexor/Myrmidon as a Caldari pilot and I enjoy the drone advantage quite a bit. The larger bay allows you to customize what you use depending on the situation. And as was said before the nos/neut for close combat is pretty decent.
Sahriah BloodStone Caldari Underworld Protection Agency The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Praxis1452 Brutix is better like this 7x heavy neutron blaster II's 1x 10mn mwd 1x stasis webifier II 1x warp disruptor/utility in gang utility slot/small cap booster 3x magnetic field stab DCU Power Diag/RCU depending Hammerhead's for gang ECM for solo Interesting fit, i must admit i do love the idea of neutron blasters on the brutix so i tried this in EFT. It doesn't fit without AWU 5 (i have 4 sadly)and i dont really like not having a Armor rep on there. Would Ion's be a sort of inbetween weapon because ive heard they arnt worth it.
AnKahn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov I'm not even gonna try and post. Because your so good at flying fake ships in a game you think we should bow down and give you a cookie? Anyway, thanks to the others for their reply. I admit I am unlearned in the way of Mr. Gallente. I apologise for getting my Caldari stink in their shiny (fake) ships. lolz Also, even at the frigate level the superiority of Gallente ships over Caldari is obvious. And THEY call Caldari EZmode.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:32:00 - [17] Originally by: AnKahn Originally by: Kuzya Morozov I'm not even gonna try and post. Because your so good at flying fake ships in a game you think we should bow down and give you a cookie? Anyway, thanks to the others for their reply. I admit I am unlearned in the way of Mr. Gallente. I apologise for getting my Caldari stink in their shiny (fake) ships. lolz Also, even at the frigate level the superiority of Gallente ships over Caldari is obvious. And THEY call Caldari EZmode. i dont have what to say for u .. only that other games may be better for u
AnKahn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:48:00 - [18] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: AnKahn Originally by: Kuzya Morozov I'm not even gonna try and post. Because your so good at flying fake ships in a game you think we should bow down and give you a cookie? Anyway, thanks to the others for their reply. I admit I am unlearned in the way of Mr. Gallente. I apologise for getting my Caldari stink in their shiny (fake) ships. lolz Also, even at the frigate level the superiority of Gallente ships over Caldari is obvious. And THEY call Caldari EZmode. i dont have what to say for u .. only that other games may be better for u Ok. You are wise to use an alt to post, sir. Games should be fun and challanging. I enjoy EvE more than anyother game and it's my RL money and time I'm spending. I admit I dont know anything about Gallente ships. Lighten up.
Takimoshi Lucky Hydra Corp SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:49:00 - [19] Originally by: AnKahn Originally by: Kuzya Morozov I'm not even gonna try and post. Because your so good at flying fake ships in a game you think we should bow down and give you a cookie? Anyway, thanks to the others for their reply. I admit I am unlearned in the way of Mr. Gallente. I apologise for getting my Caldari stink in their shiny (fake) ships. lolz Also, even at the frigate level the superiority of Gallente ships over Caldari is obvious. And THEY call Caldari EZmode. Well hold hard there for a second. In pvp yeah I'll give it to Gallente 9 times out of 10 for various reasons. However I have ratted and run missions with both Gallente and Caldari and Caldari hands down for pve.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.30 22:22:00 - [20] Originally by: AnKahn Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: AnKahn Originally by: Kuzya Morozov I'm not even gonna try and post. Because your so good at flying fake ships in a game you think we should bow down and give you a cookie? Anyway, thanks to the others for their reply. I admit I am unlearned in the way of Mr. Gallente. I apologise for getting my Caldari stink in their shiny (fake) ships. lolz Also, even at the frigate level the superiority of Gallente ships over Caldari is obvious. And THEY call Caldari EZmode. i dont have what to say for u .. only that other games may be better for u Ok. You are wise to use an alt to post, sir. Games should be fun and challanging. I enjoy EvE more than anyother game and it's my RL money and time I'm spending. I admit I dont know anything about Gallente ships. Lighten up. 1 this is not alt .... 2 i agree that u don't know about gallente ( more like about every other ship tho) 3 i totally don't like your attitude

AnKahn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.30 23:14:00 - [21] Sorry dude, I remember you now. Just forget what I flamed you for. Nothing personal. I do know the Drake and the Raven and have an opinion about them. Some disagree but many agree with me. I try not to get personal. Noway I'll figure out what I said to make you climb on to my post just to flame me back. Peace brother. If you care about attitude you're probably a good guy. Remember we all have our bad days.
AnKahn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.30 23:37:00 - [22] Edited by: AnKahn on 30/01/2008 23:38:23 Oh, and for those who don't know me For the Drake I fit 3 LSE II and active hardeners to taste. 3 Purger rigs. 7 HML and a tractor beam. For the Raven I fit XL SB II, Boost amp II, Large Cap Inject II with 800s, a target painter (pwnage, whatever) and Active Hardeners to fill the mids, because I cap inject I use three resistance rigs. And Seige launchers. That's for PvP. For PvE prob go for the CCC rigs and drop the cap injector. Switch to Cruises Hardly controversial. Sort of inside the box thinking. Edit to add the Cruises for PvE
Takimoshi Lucky Hydra Corp SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 03:29:00 - [23] Originally by: AnKahn Edited by: AnKahn on 30/01/2008 23:38:23 Hardly controversial. Sort of inside the box thinking. As a person who occasionally runs missions with Caldari (ok so more than occasionally) there isn't really such a thing as "outside the box" when it comes to ships and setup for Caldari PvE.
Edriahn Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:55:00 - [24] There's nothing more pitiful than overtanked brutix...
Wardeneo Gallente N.E.O NEW EVE ORDER Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Cambarus Edited by: Cambarus on 30/01/2008 16:59:54 Vexor/myrm hands down. The Thorax and brutix need to get into web range to start shooting, whereas the vexor can orbit at 20km, scram and put medium drones on the other guy. pffff drones have 2 get close, as drones dont orbit at 20km out of blaster range :) and a rax normally has a web, so web and shoot the drones - there dead after a while the vexor/mryrm will loose most of its dps so whether it has blaster or rails it will either have 2 go get help, sit ther wasting railgun ammo or get into web range (if blasters are fitted) also unless ur nano-ing ur vexor i think the rax is faster so a rax will generally catcha tanked vexor wardeneo If brute force doesn't work..... your not using enough :)
AnKahn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:21:00 - [26] Edited by: AnKahn on 31/01/2008 16:24:31 Ok guys, Now the post is again on the friendly side I'll tell you my noob antics with my brand new Thorax. Fitted out using suggestions from all over the place. Keep in mind the guns are tech one so kinda cheap and relatively useless, just to trying them out in game. I tryed a fit with Heavy ions (because I got the idea they were easier to fit than neutrons. I discovered I had the skills for MAR II so bought one, put one EANM I X2, suitcase I, and then found I could only fit a 400 plate. I considered a mag stab. Mids 10 MN MWD, med cap inject, and warp disrupt (for show) I did not like it, read how 1600 rolled tungstun was the stuff, so I downgraded to small neutrons and was able to fit by dropping one eamn, replacing with a RCU and then I could slap on the 1600 plate. So, rather than got to low sec and die instantly I took on a lvl 2 mission. Warp in, start getting aggro, launch my Hammerhead IIs. Rats are 10 km out so I kick on my MWD. Crap, I'm in dead space. Then my shield melts and I warp out saying "Piece of junk ship". Then I realize "Oh yea, ARMOR tanking, doh!" Warped back in (thru a gate of course) and managed to recover 3 of my Hammerheads. Finished the mission with the hammerheads cause I could never get in range for the guns. Armor repped ok but can see why dual rep is better. Yes, I'm noob. But I learned by doing a lot last night. Next post for gun questions (again Noob ones). Edited for typos
AnKahn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:34:00 - [27] Rather than start another post and attract, you know the flamers, I'll ask anyone who has followed my journey of discovery this next couple of questions. I understand transversal. To get in blaster range do you hit approach and MWD straight at someone?? If you hit orbit at 1000 m the effect would be the same if you are starting at 10 km right? So your enemy would have some time with you at 0 transversal velocity for a bit befor you start orbiting. But because range is a factor for both ships this is not a problem?? I figured out last night that for missions rails make more sense (well duh!). But do I have to worry more about tracking with blasters or rails? All I can think of for now. Have patients with me. Imagine the noob questions when EvE goes live on Steam.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:58:00 - [28] Originally by: AnKahn Rather than start another post and attract, you know the flamers, I'll ask anyone who has followed my journey of discovery this next couple of questions. I understand transversal. To get in blaster range do you hit approach and MWD straight at someone?? If you hit orbit at 1000 m the effect would be the same if you are starting at 10 km right? So your enemy would have some time with you at 0 transversal velocity for a bit befor you start orbiting. But because range is a factor for both ships this is not a problem?? I figured out last night that for missions rails make more sense (well duh!). But do I have to worry more about tracking with blasters or rails? All I can think of for now. Have patients with me. Imagine the noob questions when EvE goes live on Steam. u do hit approach if ship u going to got guns same size as yours or smaller, cos there will not be big difference in damage u take and u want to get in your optimal fast in other hand if u lets say want to fight bs in inty going straight forward for him will make u go boom wery fast tho blasters got better tracking then rails, but with rails its easier to keep your transversal under control cos with blaster is good idea to say 2-8 km from target ( depending on blaster size ( your optimal))
Damir36 Gallente PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:59:00 - [29] As I got the same Problems, very good Droneskills coupled with poor Gunneryskills, I fly the Vexor or even a Navy-Vexor. The Vexor can stay outside the Blasterdamage and still do over 400 DPS. And that with a tank of 15.000 effective HP. Normaly I fly with something like this, but you have always the Option to change to a 1600 Plate and change the Rails from Medium to small. The biggest Problem of the Vexor is, that it has only 3 medslots, so you have to help your targeting with riggs if you want to catch anything. (not optimal) Second Problem is, you can fit 3 Large Drones but if you loose them your Damageoutput becomes nonexsistant. But I would always agress a Thorax in a Vexor and orbit it at scramblerrange without getting to much Damage from Blasters. And 3 Oger II with maxed Droneskills do a lot of Damage. [Vexor, railvex, Tech I Guns] Internal Force Field Array I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Dual 150mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge M Small I-ax Regenerative Projector Ancillary Current Router I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Targeting System Subcontroller I Ogre II x3 And now look for the Navy-Vexor. 6 Lowslots for nearly BS Tank and/or Damagemods, 5 Turrets (Dual 150mm Meds bcs of Powergrid) and 4 Oger II. Nearly the equal of an Ishtar because the one more lowslot compensates the resists and 2 more Turretslots for the missing Drone. OK, would not want to go after a Ishtar in that, but if the Hac Pilot is new in his ship he has a Problem and I have seen lots of Ishtars with Tech I Drones. Grn¯e Damir Beware: German Link!:) Deutschprachige Piloten gesucht
AnKahn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:38:00 - [30] Thanks for the replies. Wierchas, that indy vs the BS thing I actually understand now. So for Caldari pilots I hope they crosstrain in order to better understand the enemy. Thanks Damir for the better drone skills than gunnery skills insight. (You're Gallente for goodness sake!) Vexor the right choice for me. I was afraid of that cause a bought the Thorax way earlier. Should have waited, but you know impulse buying a new toy thing. People have said skip the Myrm and goto Domi (and they are dirt cheap). But cant see floating around in a Domi unless ganged. Question is Torp Raven vs. Domi and I think the Raven wins unless its a suicide run. Navy Vexor, on the other hand, sounds really nice (after everything tech II of course). I'm not in game, at work here. How much they run? I have much more respect for you gun guys now. You really have to pilot your ships. I can play eve and sip a beer, much more relaxing.



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