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Sgt Brasco
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Posted - 2008.01.30 16:55:00 -
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I'm a Level 4 *****, but now want to try my hand at pvp.
GOLDEN RULE: fly what you're GONNA and can AFFORD to lose.
With no experience this means frigates, so I'm just asking for suggestions on what caldari and gallente frigates i should look at, with a mind to climbing in Caldari or Gallente interceptors and AFs which i can already currently fly.
Any other info/advice would be great to.
Thanks
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.01.30 17:12:00 -
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Personally, I like the Kessie for Caldari though the Merlin can put up a mean tank and at least respectable damage numbers. I've never flown anything gallente beyond the noob ship (I originally rolled Gallente but later that same day I decided Caldari was cooler), though I hear the Tristram can be pretty nasty.
My favorite PvP frig is the punisher though. Set up as a bleeder you get respectable firepower, (especially versus frigs that generally don't have much of an omni-tank), a pretty good tank and reasonable speed.
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.01.30 18:30:00 -
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Rifter !!! For teh win !
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Haradgrim
The Wild Bunch
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.01.30 18:47:00 -
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The kestrel is a great PVP frigate, its pretty high dps and reasonably versatile. However, since you mentioned interceptors: I am of the belief that the Crow (caldari interceptor) is the easiest ship to learn PVP in, its fast enought that with cheap fittings its is incredibly hard to kill and it manages to be useful by being one of the best fast tacklers in the game.
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Speed Tanker
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Posted - 2008.01.30 18:49:00 -
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Basically the requirements are high transversal velocity (TV), ability to maintain a TV while orbiting outside of web range, and missiles.
Rifters are great, but the need for ACs to track at high TV can mean you're missing a lot. On the upside, medium weapons track a lot slower than small weapons so as long as you stay above the tracking speed of the medium weapon but within the tracking speed of your small weapons you're golden. A BS will almost never hit you, but you probably won't even get through their shields let a lone armor.
Fear the drones and Caldari (damn missiles).
That said I really like the Enyo and the Nemesis. The Nemesis has the ability to pound Cruisers while mounting a MWD and staying the heck away. 
If you're just worried about tackling, just use the cheapest ship you can get your hands on as tacklers have a short life-span anyways. 
That's my $0.02
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.30 20:32:00 -
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For plain T1 frigates, fly a Condor. A T1 frigate will pretty much instantly die against anything other than another T1 frigate (which you will almost never fight), while doing very minimal damage. The only use for a T1 frigate is as a throwaway suicide tackler in gangs. You MWD in, get a lock and point ASAP, and hope you can survive a few seconds for your backup to arrive and take over.
Interceptors, on the other hand, are good. The Crow is definitely a good ship, and apparently after the latest patch, the Ares has gone from useless to awesome.
Assault frigates are all equally bad, don't bother with any of them. The Harpy is half-decent in a very narrow role, but even then it's probably not worth it. And all of the other ones are just horrible, worse than their T1 cruiser counterparts in every single way.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.01.30 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Brasco
I'm a Level 4 *****, but now want to try my hand at pvp.
GOLDEN RULE: fly what you're GONNA and can AFFORD to lose.
With no experience this means frigates, so I'm just asking for suggestions on what caldari and gallente frigates i should look at, with a mind to climbing in Caldari or Gallente interceptors and AFs which i can already currently fly.
Any other info/advice would be great to.
Thanks
Kestrel or Incursus probably. You can get a T2 blaster fit on an Incursus and I guess T2 rockets on a Kestrel is also workable.
If you have good skills for both maybe a Tristan?
Obviously your capabilities are quite limited in any of these ships and you'll have to pick your targets accordingly.
Depends how you mean try your hand though. Solo to get the hang of things? In a gang as a tackler?
Inties that aren't the Crow are not particularly wallet busting.
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Psorion
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Posted - 2008.01.30 21:05:00 -
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Tristan / Merlin / Rifter (for me) in that order..
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Takimoshi
Lucky Hydra Corp
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.30 21:20:00 -
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I've got to agree with the Crow on the inty's. Just tech 2 outfitted one not too long ago and it's ridiculous - with quality AND high price (I don't remember how much it cost, but the total was upwards of 30 million).
I have a few corpmates who have tested out their Enyos and the stuff I was reading in chat about their dps and tanking was pretty cool. I have an Ishkur sitting in a station collecting dust. To be perfectly honest in a gang with better targets to shoot at so it's left alone, it can put out some nice damage with tech 2 drones and hybrids, but I just don't have the interest in hybrids to train them.
I don't fly Caldari AF simply because you can either 1) tackle OR 2) tank and garunteed there are gonna be frigates that are better at either. I don't know much about the minmatar simply cause I like to fly stuff that didn't just recently come out of a scrapheap Although I have heard that if you are going to fly an AF, Wolf is one of the best to use.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.01.30 21:24:00 -
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I've had luck using a Kessie with rockets and standards, so of course it leaves the question - how does a vengence fair? Seems like it has the potential to be pretty nasty for a frig even with the terrible agility. So long as you select your targets well I woudln't think you'd have a problem. Anybody ever try PvP in one?
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.01.30 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
I've had luck using a Kessie with rockets and standards, so of course it leaves the question - how does a vengence fair? Seems like it has the potential to be pretty nasty for a frig even with the terrible agility. So long as you select your targets well I woudln't think you'd have a problem. Anybody ever try PvP in one?
the veng got the most powerfull frig tank in the game. as long as your targets isnt fast and you got time and ammo you should be able to wear them down
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.01.30 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Originally by: Derek Sigres
I've had luck using a Kessie with rockets and standards, so of course it leaves the question - how does a vengence fair? Seems like it has the potential to be pretty nasty for a frig even with the terrible agility. So long as you select your targets well I woudln't think you'd have a problem. Anybody ever try PvP in one?
the veng got the most powerfull frig tank in the game. as long as your targets isnt fast and you got time and ammo you should be able to wear them down
I'm gonna have to try them then. I wouldn't bring one into 0.0 warfare, where it's flaws are easily exploited (since everyone in the universe has a web or a neut out there), but lowsec piracy is probably what I'd aim for with one.
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KentuckyFriedJedi
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Posted - 2008.01.30 22:13:00 -
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PvP frigates... I'll usually use a kestrel or a rifter, as they have more HP than most other t1 frigs, have the best DPS of the t1 frigs (afaik) and they have 3 mids for a full tackle setup (mwd, web, scram) which is basically what PvP frigates are for, as a few others have pointed out; tackling a target, then trying to live long enough to hold that tackle till your buddies show up...
throw as much damage in your high slots as possible (rifter usually means 3 autos, 1 missile, kestrel means 4 missile (standard if you can fit 'em, rocket if you can't) and I'll usually fill the lows of either ship with capacitor power relays to sustain that MWD, web and scram simultaneously for as long as the ship is alive; few things are worse than tackling someone that can't track you and losing your point/web to your capacitor failing.
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.30 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
the veng got the most powerfull frig tank in the game. as long as your targets isnt fast and you got time and ammo you should be able to wear them down
Which means its tank is only slightly less than a decently fitted T1 cruiser. Seriously, the Vengeance is useless. It tanks well for a frigate, but "for a frigate" is the key part here... for a PvP ship in general, the tank is underwhelming at best. Meanwhile, the damage output is just pathetic, anything other than a T1 frigate can tank it until downtime. You're pretty much limited to hunting industrials and other non-interceptor frigates, which is a pretty pathetic target list.
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Ka Jolo
Ministry of Destruction
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Posted - 2008.01.31 11:58:00 -
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Limiting the choices to Caldari or Gallente, if you're talking T1 frigates I'd go with the Incursus (see my blog, linked below in my sig, for my experiences with this ship). However, I've heard others say they prefer the Tristan; a good pilot, of course, can do well in most any combat frigate. For T2 frigates I agree with those recommending the Crow. (These opinions assume solo PvP.)
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.31 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
I'm gonna have to try them then. I wouldn't bring one into 0.0 warfare, where it's flaws are easily exploited (since everyone in the universe has a web or a neut out there), but lowsec piracy is probably what I'd aim for with one.
Everyone sensible has a web in any location, low-sec or whatever.
If you are pirating noobs, it's much better to use a T1 frigate so when the target turns out not to be a noob, you lose very little in comparison, and piracy is all about cutting losses while maximising efficency 
The reason I dislike all AFs is that, basically, the difference between what a T1 frig can kill and what a AF can kill is negligible (basically, other T2 frigs with a bit of luck, but it's risky) considering the substantial price difference between a well-fitted AF and a well-fitted T1 frig.
Any PvP fit cruiser will kill you, and every attack versus a noob ratter is gambling wether the guy is PvP fit or not. I'll always sooner gamble in a cheap ship.
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Arrak1s
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Posted - 2008.01.31 13:07:00 -
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I can't rate the Punisher enough as a cheap PvP frig (relative) it can be a giant killer if you come across an impatient solo tackler. A Crow kill mail still has pride of place in my mail box.
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