Hello,

As we all know MAC OS (and Linux) has the same problems with lack of testing (Linux with wine and MAC with crossover support). I want to get to CSM and focus on technical issues that both communities have - especially with your input!

Thanks :)

PS. Post to like if you agree in JSC: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=69467&find=unread

That does not seem like a reason to give up. We should continue to pound on CCP for better performance.

No surrender.

If you want someone who actually plays the game using a Mac to be on CSM7, support and vote for Trebor Daehdoow.

AFAIU he was on CSM6. Did he made anything for Mac players? He doesn't have a sole word about Mac players in that post you're referring to. What's the point in voting for him?

I play on a Mac, I'm always pushing for more love for the Mac client behind-the-scenes, and I've also consistently pushed for improvements to the bug-reporting system (which is a disaster in general, and a nightmare for Mac-related bugs).

I've been a Mac-user and programmer since *before* the Mac was released -- I beta-tested the Mac 128k -- and found the first major bug in the ROM.

So after releasing Crucible Mac client became worse (constant freezes, lost avatars, broken patches). And that's after you were elected for previous CSM. How does this prove that you were "pushing for more love for the Mac client"? Is there any documented incentives which prove that you personally made Mac client better (even if so far Mac client became worse)?

Bluntly, the Mac client is not a high-priority item for CCP, and there's a lot more that can go wrong with it because of the extra emulation layer.

I was in fact pointing out some annoying Mac client issues to CCP just this morning. Like the fact that typing quickly while composing an evemail can switch your focus to the chat window (which itself has annoying pauses).

But the real core issue is that the EVE bug reporting system is broken, and that's where I've put in a lot of work. CCP can't fix bugs if they don't know about them, and the EVE bug reporting system is an exercise in futility and masochism. For Mac bugs, it's even worse.

My favorite UI bug, for example, was repeatedly filtered as non-reproducible despite the fact that at one point I included a video showing the bug! I finally demoed it live during a summit session just to point out the problems with the bug reporting system.

I will not vote for you because failure to get the job done for Mac users is no reason to get my votes, yes votes i have several paid accounts like most players. Unlike most players none of mine are stable and playable today.

Sorry to hear that, but the blunt fact of the matter is that getting CCP to do things is a long-term exercise involving multiple rounds of bashing your head into a brick wall.

Fortunately, I have a thick head, so I'll keep at it as long as the voters let me.

Sorry to hear that, but the blunt fact of the matter is that getting CCP to do things is a long-term exercise involving multiple rounds of bashing your head into a brick wall.

Fortunately, I have a thick head, so I'll keep at it as long as the voters let me.

Bluntly, the Mac client is not a high-priority item for CCP, and there's a lot more that can go wrong with it because of the extra emulation layer.

I was in fact pointing out some annoying Mac client issues to CCP just this morning. Like the fact that typing quickly while composing an evemail can switch your focus to the chat window (which itself has annoying pauses).

But the real core issue is that the EVE bug reporting system is broken, and that's where I've put in a lot of work. CCP can't fix bugs if they don't know about them, and the EVE bug reporting system is an exercise in futility and masochism. For Mac bugs, it's even worse.

My favorite UI bug, for example, was repeatedly filtered as non-reproducible despite the fact that at one point I included a video showing the bug! I finally demoed it live during a summit session just to point out the problems with the bug reporting system.

Thank you for the work on the bug reporting I stopped filling them out last year when two of mine that I filled after a patch stayed opened and unfiltered right up through the next patch three months latter. It's pointless!

But the "Mac client is not a high-priority item for CCP" is really not an excuse. Just a heads up, but a lot of people (not just on the mac forums) are stating to see through the "not a high-priority item for CCP" excuse the CSM members use now for things they or the CSM doesn't care to push. The CSM has no problems pushing for some things, while saying they can't push for others. It's becoming quite obvius.

Such as, your thread on PI, something that CCP doesn't seem to care much about anymore. "I thought I'd write them down and see what support they generated; if it's sufficient, I'll write up a CSM proposal and start bri... er, lobbying the devs. Your CSM tax ISK at work, etc., etc." So you'll lobby for PI improvements, but can't lobby for the MAC client?

From your re-elect thread

"I will in particular continue to push for improvements in the User Interface, for iterations on widely-used parts of the game (such as Trade, Industry, and Mission gameplay), for increased resources to be devoted to game performance issues (both on the server and in the client)"

From you own blog.
"All in all, these tidbits are great news. As long as players and the CSM keeps the pressure on, I think we're going to see interesting stuff on SiSi in the coming months." I think what the MAC users are asking for is a little "pressure" love from the CSM on the state of the MAC client.

Look, Trebor, please don't feel i'm attacking you here, that is not my intent. Frankly all the CSM members are doing this and I could point out the contradictions they do as well. I'm just saying you guys need to stop blaming CCP for things the CSM doesn't care about. If SOV warfare, or PI improvements are more important to you fine, just say so. Hell I might even agree. But don't act like your hands are tied on some things, and miracle workers on others.

The simple fact is the MAC client is fundamentally broken for many people and it's frustrating! The crashes, and freezes Crucible brought have been going on now for what three months now. Konflict has done a great job, but it seems like he's the only one working on the MAC side at times. I see more de-bugging by users on the forums than I do CCP. Just the the other night I was getting "space lonely" and really started missing the old small gang I used to fly with when I realized the gang broke up because most of the guys where on MACs and could no longer play the damn game after last summer. There's some sort of "butterfly effect" reference here but I think we all get the point that the MAC client is ruining the game experience not just for the people it directly effects. I would think that would be an easy thing to convey to CCP.

Thank you for the work on the bug reporting I stopped filling them out last year when two of mine that I filled after a patch stayed opened and unfiltered right up through the next patch three months later. It's pointless!

The CSM has no problems pushing for some things, while saying they can't push for others. It's becoming quite obvious.

Such as, your thread on PI, something that CCP doesn't seem to care much about anymore. "I thought I'd write them down and see what support they generated; if it's sufficient, I'll write up a CSM proposal and start bri... er, lobbying the devs. Your CSM tax ISK at work, etc., etc." So you'll lobby for PI improvements, but can't lobby for the MAC client?

Look, Trebor, please don't feel i'm attacking you here, that is not my intent.

Frankly all the CSM members are doing this and I could point out the contradictions they do as well. I'm just saying you guys need to stop blaming CCP for things the CSM doesn't care about. If SOV warfare, or PI improvements are more important to you fine, just say so. Hell I might even agree. But don't act like your hands are tied on some things, and miracle workers on others.

The simple fact is the MAC client is fundamentally broken for many people and it's frustrating!

Trebor can you use your influence to help organize a riot? CCP only responds when they have to obviously. I will vote for leadership and boldness please demonstrate these attributes when our fellow Mac users are in such dire need.

Power To The Players!

How the hell are we supposed to riot???

I can barely stay connected long enough to swap skills