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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2008.01.30 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 30/01/2008 23:46:54
From the dev blog:
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By far the largest problem is that armor tanking is quite a lot more popular than shield tanking and EM by far is the highest resistance on armor for all races.
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The solution we've been looking at to fix this is quite simple and straight forward. Remove 10% off the EM resistance on all Tech 1 ships and re-calculate the racial bonuses for the Tech 2 ships from there. To maintain a correct ratio between shield tanking and armor tanking we'd also remove 10% from the explosive resistances on shields.
The flaw in the reasoning is pretty obvious to me, and I highlighted where it occurs. Armor and shield tanking are not balanced, armor tanking is far more popular, and so there is no call to nerf explosive resistance on shields to balance things. Nerfing EM armor resists alone brings balance between armor and shields. Nerfing both keeps them unbalanced.
I mean I really don't get it. You correctly identified the problem, but then the solution gratuitously perpetuates it!
Also, shields are the only defense that has one damage type at zero base resist. Armor at least gets 10% to it's weakest resist. Shields get nothing for EM. Nerfing Explosive as part of the Amarr rebalance is simply a foolish consistency.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.30 23:49:00 -
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what's wrong with the official thread?
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.30 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 30/01/2008 23:53:51
Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 30/01/2008 23:51:36
Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 30/01/2008 23:51:13
Originally by: MotherMoon
what's wrong with the official thread?
This:
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2008.01.31 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
what's wrong with the official thread?
I didn't see one because there's no sticky.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.31 00:05:00 -
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Its linked in the dev blog you quoted.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr
The Imperial Guards
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Posted - 2008.01.31 00:28:00 -
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Again
Its like using a Bandage to fix a broken leg
EM resist never wass a issue apart from on 92.5% em resist ships.
Doing 0dps due to no cap and Armour Compensation skills prenerf broke Amarr Damage as before Armour Compensation skills, EANM issues did not exist.
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Ariel Dawn
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.31 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
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Its like using a Bandage to fix a broken leg
EM resist never wass a issue apart from on 92.5% em resist ships.
Doing 0dps due to no cap and Armour Compensation skills prenerf broke Amarr Damage as before Armour Compensation skills, EANM issues did not exist.
A clear example of why people don't take you seriously.
Guess what T2 Minmatar ships are armor tanked?
Wolf
Muninn in rare cases (95% of the have no tank when arty setup)
Thats it. A single assault frigate.
Amarr have the best short-term DPS and tanking capabilities; and can do either very well when focused (but not both for any decent amount of time). Amarr is fine, it's just a large number of raving fools that have been convinced by these forums that it is otherwise.
And before you go 'hurr hurr u dat dem dere must fly gellte/mintar/cadary derp', last time I checked there is no class restriction in place in EVE. It takes a whole month to train a race's guns to large, and another one to fly all their sub-BS T2 ships.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.01.31 00:58:00 -
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I would like to point out that Mojo JoJo's Ms painted sigs got locked 
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr
The Imperial Guards
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Posted - 2008.01.31 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Again
Its like using a Bandage to fix a broken leg
EM resist never wass a issue apart from on 92.5% em resist ships.
Doing 0dps due to no cap and Armour Compensation skills prenerf broke Amarr Damage as before Armour Compensation skills, EANM issues did not exist.
A clear example of why people don't take you seriously.
Guess what T2 Minmatar ships are armor tanked?
Wolf
Muninn in rare cases (95% of the have no tank when arty setup)
Thats it. A single assault frigate.
Amarr have the best short-term DPS and tanking capabilities; and can do either very well when focused (but not both for any decent amount of time). Amarr is fine, it's just a large number of raving fools that have been convinced by these forums that it is otherwise.
And before you go 'hurr hurr u dat dem dere must fly gellte/mintar/cadary derp', last time I checked there is no class restriction in place in EVE. It takes a whole month to train a race's guns to large, and another one to fly all their sub-BS T2 ships.
Read what I wrote?
I dont care about minmaters as I want their guns to start using cap to be balanced with other turret races. I stated Armour Compensation Skill sare broken due to prenerf, and CCP are trying to fix their own Prenerf problem by ading a new problem.
just delete Armour Compensation Skills or un-nerf it and EANM ends overnight, just like how EANM did not exist prior to RMR expansion
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.01.31 01:45:00 -
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Just put up or shut up tbh
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.31 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 31/01/2008 02:00:08
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
RABBLE RABBLE!
Trolling, but this time using the bold tags.
This is a problem, and in the very next post you don't care and something which isn't a problem of any sort is suddenly a problem 
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In Theory
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Posted - 2008.01.31 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Guess what T2 Minmatar ships are armor tanked?
Wolf
Muninn in rare cases (95% of the have no tank when arty setup)
And Amarr T2 ships have high resists too... must suck trying to get through T2 resists.
But I digress, the main issue is that a lot of Amarr T1 ships (with lasers already being a subpar weapon) just couldn't cut it against the high armor em resists on many npc rats and on other player ships. Oh well.
BTW: I met a hurricane the other day that, after cutting through the shield, his armor stayed at 90% and didn't move. YAY em damage.
This, in the end was a poorly implemented change, while not entirely unfounded-- lowering shield resists further was unwarranted... I like that em resist on armor was lowered, but explosive on shields is rough... any race (other than Amarr because we can't make weapons that explode apparently) that might possibly have to worry about using explosive damage against shields has viable options to change to... Amarr? we can't change out from using a 70/30 EM/Thermal weapon... yay laserbeamspewpew.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.31 03:36:00 -
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For all of Jonny's posts, I suggest people don'g forget the still relatively new "Report" button.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.01.31 04:06:00 -
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CCP Games
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