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Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Sinder Ohm /me buys more republic fleet EMP ammo CCP fixed Amarr by making PROJECTILES on Amarr ships EVEN more attractive! time to fit autocannons on my amarr battleships and cruisers lol bait prophecy with autocannons ftw lol
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:48:00 - [32] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 31/01/2008 08:48:48 Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Originally by: Sinder Ohm /me buys more republic fleet EMP ammo CCP fixed Amarr by making PROJECTILES on Amarr ships EVEN more attractive! time to fit autocannons on my amarr battleships and cruisers lol bait prophecy with autocannons ftw lol qft First Projectiles get 100% cap reduction. And Amarr Lasers have a upto 100% damage reduction when cap runs out after a minute or two. Now minmatar get Massive Damage boost. Republic fleet ammo just shot up in price, and Vagabonds will be doing more damage! Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:49:00 - [33] Remember when they were going to completely nerf carriers? Yeah... let's do that again. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:51:00 - [34] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 31/01/2008 08:54:24 Originally by: Jonny JoJo qft lol jonny jojo quoted me FOR TRUTH! Am I doomed?!
Hoegen Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:08:00 - [35] Actually both Amarr and Matar got boosted since everybody have a lower explo and EM resistence... ------- Naked Chick!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Hoegen Actually both Amarr and Matar got boosted since everybody have a lower explo and EM resistence... I didn't get it either but now I see, the minmatar EMP ammo does so much more damage that it is better than tech 2 ammo now on BOTH shield and armor tanks. so you have the right ammo for the job everytime.
Wynsdae Minmatar Division 9 RSGE	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:26:00 - [37] Originally by: Sinder Ohm /me buys more republic fleet EMP ammo Truth
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:31:00 - [38] Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 31/01/2008 09:33:35 I think it sucks that shields explosive resistance is reduced when shields done even have a base resistance to EM, armor has 10% to its lowest resistance shields have 0% to their lowest resist
Vagel	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:44:00 - [39] Well - that does it for me -I've kept my lasers and only trained lasers, thinking they would be fixed sometime. But since THIS is the Amar love, i'll start train projectiles and fit those on my amar ships. Projectiles just got another edge over lasers, but this time it was an OMNI EDGE - and it will allways be effective. EMP ammo - and autocannons... yea, that's what Amar is reduced to using after this silly idea. If lasers are ever going to be used: Fix the DARN FITTING REQS Give the Amar ships DPS bonus, using lasers Cut capacity use on all amar ship - make it a buildin rolebonus. Reduced Cap use by 50% on all Amarr ships. Increase the tracking on pulse lasers by 20% That would put lasers inline with hybrid - of cause, nowhere near the projectiles.. but usable.
evriss	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:41:00 - [40] Tbh, i fly matari on this char so this change makes me happy, but my 25 million SP cladari char now will be EVEN WORSE in PvP than he ever was. WELL DONE ZULU - PLEASE START PLAYING THE GOD DAM GAME.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:55:00 - [41] Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 31/01/2008 10:55:37 Originally by: MotherMoon minmatar EMP ammo does so much more damage that it is better than tech 2 ammo now on BOTH shield and armor tanks. so you have the right ammo for the job every time. Meanwhile in CCP HQ Dev 1: Ok guys we need to boost Amarr before the forums explode what can we do? Dev 2: hmmm Dev 3: erm Dev 4: I dunno Dev 5: I know guys! lets boost projectile ammo by nerfing resists making it the perfect all use ammo!
Hober Hardin	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:19:00 - [42] Quote: The solution we've been looking at to fix this is quite simple and straight forward. Remove 10% off the EM resistance on all Tech 1 ships and re-calculate the racial bonuses for the Tech 2 ships from there. To maintain a correct ratio between shield tanking and armor tanking we'd also remove 10% from the explosive resistances on shields. I'm a bit sceptical about this, it seems quite a sweeping change to apply this to all ships, changing the attributes of so many ships by what is quite a large amount is going to hit some ships hard.. ..for instance, take the Jaguar used in the blog example (Gloss over the fact its an Assault Frigate and pretty much useless anyway, you'll still get the point) Jaguar base resistances - Before changes Shields EM - 75%, Exp - 60%, Kin - 40%, Therm - 60% Armor EM - 92.5%, Exp - 10%, Kin - 25%, Therm - 67.5% - After changes Shields EM - 75%, Exp - 50%, Kin - 40%, Therm - 60% Armor EM - 90%, Exp - 10%, Kin - 25%, Therm - 67.5 One of the most popular setups for this ship is to fit a passive shield tank based on a Medium Shield Extender or two.. ..reducing the explosive resistance by 10% has a quite a big effect on this, what was bearly a decent shield tank will be liable to break quicker and exposes paper thin armour which has a poultry 2.5% less EM resistance than now. I'm all for thinking up new setups, but this is a ship that has 4 Mid Slots and 3 Lows.. ..the passive tank setup was based on the high natural shield resistances, there isn't enough room on the ship to introduce a shield hardening module to cater for the change without making a change for the worse somewhere else.. ..with the base armour points, resistances and only 3 low slots theres little chance of fitting an armour tank, nor's there a chance of getting a decent speed or ew tank, so in all likelyhood pilots will end up fitting the same passive tank unable to do anything about the changes making a bearly passable shield tank even weaker. So taking this into consideration this ends up as not only a boost for Amarr it's a boost for anything attacking the poor old Jaguar (which was never the best of ships anyway).. ..it's seems far from simple or straight forward, some ships are quite finely balanced, surely instead of sweeping changes across the board this should be based on reviewing and making changes to every ship individually?
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:25:00 - [43] All i can really do is laugh at this nerf/buff It's really more a buff to minmitar than anything else.. but good work CCP i'm glad after years of thought going into this (or leaking out onto the carpet... whichever...) you've got a perfect solution..
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:33:00 - [44] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 31/01/2008 11:34:04 Amarr pilots using projectiles can now gain a free "damage mod" thanks to these changes. hang on - Did I say Amarr pilots using Projectiles? Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Perfect Diamond	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:53:00 - [45] Originally by: RC Denton And in the blog zulupark notes that armor tanks are more popular than shield tanks in pvp. Thats because those who are amarr have to armor tank. There is not such thing a amarr shield tanking. Thats just a plain fact. Hope it never changes.
Perfect Diamond	Posted - 2008.02.01 17:55:00 - [46] Wow Jonny is back. Thought you got banned. I've had fun reading his posts.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:57:00 - [47] Shield tanking is already taking it in the shorts because shield tanking ships do not have enough medium slots. The most medium slots a shield tanking BS has is 6. After fitting pvp required mods, that leaves them with 3 slots for a tank, which is ludicrously bad. Many armor battleships have 7 slots low slots for tanking, and the pvp required mods just go in mids. CCP needs to add mid slots to shield tanking ships and in some cases, power grid so they can actually fit an active shield tank.
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.01 19:09:00 - [48] Zulupark shield tanks his shorts?

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