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Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.02.01 13:43:00 - [31] Originally by: Tirak Lu'Mathra Originally by: Tharrn You should maybe talk to your chums who were actually in The Bleaks last night about how they liked our performance. Mr. Tharrn, if you are referring to the engagement in Ohide, when we were on our way to take out a 7:th Fleet, I would not brag so much about it if I were you - we destroyed one of your Purifiers and took down the 7:th Fleet tower we came for. You seem to have missed the part where we prevented you from entering a further ADU and then skinned your gang of merry men before you could destroy yet another one. We can't be everywhere, but you surely seemed scared wherever we were active. I suppose you have been conditioned in your 'Burn Providence' campaign by the CVA to duck and cover when a glint of gold comes into view. Now recruiting!
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.02.01 13:46:00 - [32] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon The rate you shoot them, is the Empire running out of messengers by now, pilots Blake, Tharrn? No, I did not make it up. No, if someone is paranoid about it, it is not me. Yes, your complete dismissal of the subject did serve to get me to pay closer attention to it. Looking for a way to join in and help the Defiants without becoming traitors to the Republic? Sorry, a PR stunt of that kind won't fly. Now recruiting!
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.02.01 13:57:00 - [33] They day I join the Defiants will be the day when the Republic government directly tells me to, and even then I will argue the order before carrying it out. Speaking of PR stunts, trying to equate those loyal to the Republic with the traitors and terrorists just because I ask a question is the weakest one I saw from your kind for months. Would you care to answer the question, by the way? Elsebeth Rhiannon -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.01 14:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Speaking of PR stunts, trying to equate those loyal to the Republic with the traitors and terrorists just because I ask a question is the weakest one I saw from your kind for months. It's not because you ask questions that EM are labelled as terrorists and as traitors to the Republic. It's because of their interference with legitimate trade within Amarrian borders. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.02.01 14:08:00 - [35] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 01/02/2008 14:09:07 Blake, you're losing your touch. I was not talking about your petty war with Electus Matari here, at all. Trying to distract a legitimate question about the relationships of our nations by talking about that conflict? Call me paranoid all you want, but I would be surprised if I was the only one to get the feeling that the loyalist Amarr are desperate to steer the discussion away from the actual rumors I mentioned. Elsebeth Rhiannon -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.01 14:24:00 - [36] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 01/02/2008 14:09:07 Blake, you're losing your touch. I was not talking about your petty war with Electus Matari here, at all. Trying to distract a legitimate question about the relationships of our nations by talking about that conflict? Call me paranoid all you want, but I would be surprised if I was the only one to get the feeling that the loyalist Amarr are desperate to steer the discussion away from the actual rumors I mentioned. Elsebeth Rhiannon There was no distraction or deflection. Your question was answered. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Bulram McCath	Posted - 2008.02.01 14:41:00 - [37] Edited by: Bulram McCath on 01/02/2008 14:41:04
Bulram McCath	Posted - 2008.02.01 14:43:00 - [38] Edited by: Bulram McCath on 01/02/2008 14:43:27
Tirak Lu'Mathra Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.02.01 14:44:00 - [39] Haha, Shut up Bulram... Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Tharrn You seem to have missed the part where we prevented you from entering a further ADU... Yes Tharrn, I did miss that part û we have so many run-ins with you and you know as well as I do that we both have our victories. At the end of the day you are the ones with your pants down and we are the ones with the stick û you have your 7:th fleet that are open to our attacks. When we do loose a few of our ships it is a price we are willing to pay û you on the other hand do not have a choice but ôvaliantlyö die defending your poor 7:th fleet.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.01 15:23:00 - [40] We will gladly die defending the Empire. We are the Anointed Children of God, there is nothing to fear. Death is the final glory. ----------------------------------------------
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.02.01 16:32:00 - [41] I have not heard any of those rumours either, Lady Rhiannon. Care to share with us who the source may be, so we may discuss it and see how much truth there may be behind those claims? In any case, I see nothing wrong with it even if they were proven true. The Bleak Lands were attacked one year ago, and the Fleet had to mobilize. The Bleak Lands are attacked again now. By the news, we know that many of those planets depend on interestellar trade and transport to supply their needs. So, I find it completely natural that, after two umprovoked attacks, the Bleak Lands are fortified to help solve this, and prevent a third one. Afterall, if I kicked you once in a place, and a second time, wouldn't you place a guard there to prevent a third? Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.02.01 16:36:00 - [42] Edited by: Sepherim on 01/02/2008 16:37:30 As for the other topic being discussed, no side has the statistisc to prove the success or defeat in this battle. And, unfortunately for all involved, it will probably last for long and still claim many more lifes, both of Minmatarr and Amarr. Discussing if one side is more succesful or not than the other, is an empty discussion, since you can't possibly agree at all. As things stand, there is but one truth we can both agree on: The Mimatarr have the tactical advantage, because they can attack together, when and where they like; meanwhile, the Amarr have to spread to cover a whole constellation. It is an advantage for the Minmatarr, true, is it enough? We will see. For now, all we know is that the Bleak Lands are being covered with fire and bodies. Let it stay that way, until we can discuss it with solid facts. Or else this is just empty chit-chat and boasting. The real truth is that we die for our cause, they die for theirs... the only victorious is Death. Lets hope that our pilots find Heaven, and that those who oppose us aren't treated too terribly in Hell. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.02.01 16:57:00 - [43] It is a rumor, Sepherim, and as such naming its source would be difficult. I do not remember who I heard if from the first time; it has been discussed on practically all of the Matari channels I follow at least once, often more. Certainly it is no secret that the Amarr too have their factions who do not always agree. I think it must be clear to any peace-loving ones that the Defiants are a perfect excuse for the more war-mongering ones. Even when the Defiants might be a real threat to begin with, exaggerating that threat and trying to confuse the difference between the Defiants and the Republic would be advantageous to many. I was merely curious to hear to a loyalist comment on this, but to be honest I did not seriously expect anything but propaganda and evasion. The degree of evasion is telling in its own way, of course... Elsebeth Rhiannon -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Garion Avarr Amarr Zero Zero Traders	Posted - 2008.02.01 18:15:00 - [44] Rhiannon, I cannot tell you have refreshing it is to hear that there are Minmatar who understand that such violence against the Empire only helps the anti-peace factions. I have heard no such rumor as the one you mention, but that is the end result of any terrorist attack on the Empire: it gives those who are opposed to peace more power, more excuses to use in their foolish quest for war. ________________________________ This is not a signature.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Logistics The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.01 19:28:00 - [45] I feel relieved knowing that the loss of Heretic Army's battleships is being avenged by our stalwart and fearless allies in the Ushra'Khan. FREEDOM VICTOR! Bring them and their families the pain, shame and misery that their slaves endure. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Logistics The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.01 19:30:00 - [46] Originally by: Rodj Blake It's because of their interference with legitimate trade within Amarrian borders. The Empire is a terrorist rogue state. No such "legitimate trade" exists. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.02.01 19:54:00 - [47] I thank you for the kind words. Yes, I am very worried personally about the escalation attempts that I perceive being rampant by several parties. Rest assured that those of us loyal to the Republic still hope for peace, and that despite what your propaganda machine would have you believe, not even close to all Matari are in favor of attacks on foreign territory. Elsebeth Rhiannon -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.02.01 20:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Tharrn You seem to have missed the part where we prevented you from entering a further ADU and then skinned your gang of merry men before you could destroy yet another one. We can't be everywhere, but you surely seemed scared wherever we were active. I suppose you have been conditioned in your 'Burn Providence' campaign by the CVA to duck and cover when a glint of gold comes into view. There are two points to be discussed here. First, I've take the liberty of emphasizing the key statement in your quote above. While you may have managed to avert a single assault on a 7th Fleet installation, you failed in your attempts to save another. Nor were you anywhere in sight when a vast raiding armada consisting of two (2) frigates destroyed another five such facilities mere hours later. Don't get me wrong; I'm sure that you are trying your best to cover the gaping holes left in the armor of the Empire by the incompetence of Saracen, and I don't downplay the combat ability of your patrols. But -- and this leads into the second point I wanted to mention -- you seem to be under the mistaken belief that victory on this battlefield has even the slightest to do with winning a skirmish or two. In the pursuit of our mission against the 7th Fleet, we have absolutely nothing to gain by engaging you and everything to gain by using the same hit and fade tactics that we have used time and time again against the often overwhelming forces that oppose us. The same tactics, by the way, that the Defiants used brilliantly in opening this campaign in the first place. While our pilots may choose to engage your forces (we are, after all, at war), those engagements are largely irrelevant to the mission to cripple the 7th Fleet. So by all means, continue your sporadic patrols. No doubt you will manage to engage us from time to time, and you may even score tactical victories in some -- or even many -- of these engagements. But we will continue scoring strategic victories against your precious 7th Fleet while you are not looking. You remind me of a man proudly showing off the personal transmitter that stopped a bullet that would have otherwise killed him -- all the while bleeding from a half dozen other mortal wounds recieved at the same time. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Dantalus Portos Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.02.01 20:55:00 - [49] Fortunately, the strength of the magnificent 7th Fleet is such, that your attacks are merely a boil on their side. You are a boil that we take great pleasure in lancing again, and again and again ...
Sahaquiel Faust Gallente Heretic Logistics	Posted - 2008.02.04 12:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Gaius Kador We will gladly die defending the Empire. We are the Anointed Children of God, there is nothing to fear. Death is the final glory. Grand Inquisitor Kador: if death is indeed the final Glory... please seek it out immediately ----- providing shootydeath since the last time i checked
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.02.06 01:06:00 - [51] Seeking death is a sin. We are to go on with our duties with all out hability and capacity until death finds us. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2008.02.06 05:17:00 - [52] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Certainly it is no secret that the Amarr too have their factions who do not always agree. I think it must be clear to any peace-loving ones that the Defiants are a perfect excuse for the more war-mongering ones. I'll reiterate a point I made when the 7th fleet first entered the theater, that this public excursion is but the tip of an iceberg. While on the surface doing good for the Empire, it may conveniently hide alterer motives as well. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Public Comm "KhanidPublic"
Jacinda Molanth	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:16:00 - [53] So......much.......SPIN! I'm very dizzy from all the spin I see here. I think I'll lie down for a while.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:38:00 - [54] Are you calling me a spinmerchant? ----------------------------------------------
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Logistics The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:03:00 - [55] No, Gaius, merchants are defined by their ability to successfully sell their products. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.06 23:36:00 - [56] I'll stick to dispensing holy wrath then, for free. ----------------------------------------------
Jacinda Molanth	Posted - 2008.02.07 00:14:00 - [57] Originally by: Gaius Kador I'll stick to dispensing holy wrath then, for free. If you must Mr. Kador. I am located in Pator. Come and give me, an unbeliever, some holy wrath. I quake at your approach. I warn you however, you will lose whatever vessel you came in. I find it hard to fear a bald old man with a red towel on his head. Best Regards,
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.07 00:59:00 - [58] I was actually gracing Andreus with a few seconds of my time. You can rot in Pator for all I care. ----------------------------------------------
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:52:00 - [59] Tsk. Spoon feeding the heathens, Inquisitor? That is my job. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.02.08 18:08:00 - [60] Not that you are doing it any better. Elsebeth -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.

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