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TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3 on 01/02/2008 20:43:01
Edited by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3 on 01/02/2008 20:42:35
Well at least I can see that there is a certain amount of interest.
Ok so, first of all, here's my wallet balance, for those who want me to prove that I have the funds to finance a bit of the operation.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/521/wallbalancetu4.jpg
Second of all, to answer at the same time the two people there, I'm not going to be taking more on the profits because I feel that if I want to gain a reputation as a good trader and if I want to be able to make my own corporation that could offer such services one day, I need to be not too greedy, and take care of my customers.
After all, why are there trusted people in this game ? Because they succeeded in handing out services. Pirates are pirates, traders are traders, benefactors are benefactors, etc.
Beeing new and wanting to build a company of trading, hoping to gain the trust of the market, in the hope of gaining access to alliances, bigger customers, 0.0 markets, etc. Is that such a stupid idea ? I think not.
As to why I want more money when I already have enough, well the answer is : I don't have enough ^^
I tried doing this with 4 billion, I made a little money but way not enough. For example, attacking the market of ORE and minerals would require an insane amount of money.
I don't intend on targeting minerals, but the products I will be targeting need way more than a mere 18 billions for the operation to work. The quantity of products on the market is very important.
So I need your money because my money alone is not enough.
I think all this clears it up now. I'm not going to explain which product I'm targeting to show you why 18 billions is not enough. If I did that, then my plan can just go to trash since it will be revealed.
Lastly, on the side question, a french MBA has no value in a lot of companies around the world, or only a little value. American MBAs are much more reknown. 2 years at JP Morgan Chase doesn't make my whole career plan, and I won't rely on it. So my french MBA gave me very good basics, but to access higher spheres, I need a better name on my diploma. Simple no ? :)
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:13:00 -
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Give your API key to someone trusted on this forum.
Screenshots are worthless.
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TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:16:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Give your API key to someone trusted on this forum.
Screenshots are worthless.
well i'm only posting a screenshot because someone asked me for it. I'm ready to comply to anything.
What is this API thing ? Never heard of it... I'm french ^^
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Tallann
Amarr
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:21:00 -
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You have 21 billion credits but you don't know what an API key is? You said it was a bought character, how long exactly have you been playing Eve?
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TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tallann
You have 21 billion credits but you don't know what an API key is? You said it was a bought character, how long exactly have you been playing Eve?
I've been playing eve for about 11 months now. But that is completely irrelevant, stop trying to make point of information that you're only bringing out to break my efforts.
I'm showing how much money I have, I've explained everything about my business. I've given all the possible credentials, and I've answered all the questions honestly, didn't try to hide my alt, posted with my other char, etc.
Now, all I'm asking is what is an API key, answer me simply and I will comply with that information. Easy enough to understand ?
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Admiral Grevious
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:39:00 -
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Here is info on the API key:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/api/doc/
If you click here, while you're logged in, you should be able to go right to it:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/api/default.asp
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
Now, all I'm asking is what is an API key, answer me simply and I will comply with that information. Easy enough to understand ?
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tallannvorr
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: tallannvorr on 01/02/2008 21:40:09
Ipo's are all about trust as every single person that reads this forum regularly knows. Especially if you don't lay out a very very detailed business plan of exactly what your going to do.(which you don't for ok reasons)
Having played for 5 months now I simply find the concept that you don't know what an API key is after playing for 11 months to be a bit crazy. It basically means you have never read, or used, Eve-mon, EFT, or made use of a single out of game service or item. From downloading your wallet journal to anything else...
For a trader to have made 21 billion without having ever exported there wallet, or known that they could do so, or a mission guy testing fits in EFT, or never having used eve-mon to determine a skill path just seems a bit far fetched to me. Especially since these things are plastered all over the forum, and constantly spoken about in game as being near essential tools. Is it impossible? of course not, but it is highly suspicious. I guess providing your API key or more of your wallet journal to one of the more highly esteemed members of the forum would prove help to explain.
Damnit-Alt post<--Tallann Not that the alt nature matters since noone knows who I am anyways.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:52:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
Now, all I'm asking is what is an API key, answer me simply and I will comply with that information. Easy enough to understand ?
You fail on so many levels you are totally done. Good bye.
QFT but if you need a few more reasons:
Totally unknown character
No meaningful business plan
No disclosure of main
Weird ALT name
No reputation
No history
Asking for too much ISK
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: tallannvorr
For a trader to have made 21 billion without having ever exported there wallet, or known that they could do so, or a mission guy testing fits in EFT, or never having used eve-mon to determine a skill path just seems a bit far fetched to me. Especially since these things are plastered all over the forum, and constantly spoken about in game as being near essential tools.
Just for the record I had made way more than 21 billion before I ever used an outside program. I create all of my own tools. In the past 6 months I've tried some 3rd party programs, but I still mostly use my own excel spreadsheets. I've yet to see a single wallet export program that would in any way improve the way I trade. They only provide some nifty information, but nothing that is essential in any way or even profitable (for me anyhow).
I also have never used EVE-Mon or any skill tracking program. Again, I made my own.
I also am friends with a few people who probably don't know what the API Key is, though they are programmers for other MMORPG's so they probably would be able to figure it out.
My point is, failure to know what an API key is not proof this guy is a scammer.
I was quite certain this was a scam from the first few posts that were made.. but now it appears to be a genuine failure to communicate due to the language barrier.
I am not even remotely thinking of investing as I am going to be doing my own market manipulation and I know for a fact I am not going to scam, but I also know that I will not be able to accommodate every investor here in my IPO. So if he can prove himself to be trustworthy somehow I see no harm in some competition.
Finally, even though I could have gotten 100+ billion to do some manipulation I've decided to start with only 20B or so because I wanted to start small. Considering this guy has no reputation and wants 60B I'd say he is starting way too big.
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TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
Now, all I'm asking is what is an API key, answer me simply and I will comply with that information. Easy enough to understand ?
You fail on so many levels you are totally done. Good bye.
QFT but if you need a few more reasons:
Totally unknown character
No meaningful business plan
No disclosure of main
Weird ALT name
No reputation
No history
Asking for too much ISK
- My business plan is perfectly meaningful. If you are not interested in high risk investment that's your problem, not mine. Some people like it.
- I have disclosed my main char, read back on first page.
- Nobody asks you to be so disrespectful if you don't agree with someone.
- You judge my alt name when I explained already that I bought if from someone. Will you judge me if I'm black ? That's how you think ?
As for not knowing what is an API key, well I make it my thing to never use 3rd party programs, so i wouldn't know about this API key and the programs around EVE, even if I had been playing for 2 years or more. Can you blame me for that ? No.
I have done just fine in EVE for the past 11 months, I made plenty of money. And only idiots never learn and change their minds.
I learn every day, and if someone asks me for this API key, I will comply.
So don't come agressing me here, I'm only asking to be heard, and my intentions are honest. If you're not interested and you think I'm a scammer or that I will never achieve this, then just don't post here. Let the interested people ask me for EVERY info they want, I will disclose it.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
Thank you for this honesty. I might be starting big, that's a point of view. But I'm happy you back me up on the API thing.
Not using and not knowing are two different things. Not knowing what the api key suggests several things: ... bah. Started working on a nice detailed post here and I realized one thing, why bother? |
TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3 on 01/02/2008 22:23:05
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
Thank you for this honesty. I might be starting big, that's a point of view. But I'm happy you back me up on the API thing.
Not using and not knowing are two different things. Not knowing what the api key suggests several things: ... bah. Started working on a nice detailed post here and I realized one thing, why bother?
No Please, elaborate. I'd be more happy to know what the famous editor of the EVE Guardian has to say about an unknown player. You've obviously taken me into target for tonight so why don't you go ahead and detail for me the multiple reasons of my failure.
Humour me.
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The Socialworker
Minmatar
The Socialworkers
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:42:00 -
[44]
Easy Tiger. You've made a small profit from small scale market manipulation and now seem to
think that you can just massively up the scale and it will work the same. It looks to me like
you are setting yourself up for a big fall here if you do find the investors.
In my experience you can get away with this sort of thing only on a small scale, in niche markets,
and in short time scale, and only because you slip under the radar.
I've seen people go down bloody twice this year trying to pull a stunt like this, and at the time
I guessed that they raised their isk here. They showed up in a blaze of glory with isk falling out of
their back pockets, and no experience at all in the markets they were moving into as far as I could
see. They both made plenty of mistakes, but the main points that screwed them up where the amount
of slack in the markets in the form of huge stocks being held by some traders and industrialists, and
the bloody mindedness of other traders, who were prepared to go out of their way in terms of pricing
and finding stock. I think they both just about brock even or made a small profit, but I know I made a
mint out of them and I wasn't the only one.
The bigger the move you are trying to make on the markets, then the less 'ownable' the market is.
In my experience I've only managed to make stunts like this work on the bigger scale when I've been
active in a market for a long time, clocked an undervalued market, and made a big jump in all the
hubs at the same time, using up every spare market order that your skills allow. In other words clinging
to the back of the market beast and giving it a kick now and then, rather than owning it.
So if you were to just fly into. say.. heimatar and molden heath and try and buy up all the erm.. drones
you would go down very bloody.
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TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:58:00 -
[45]
Edited by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3 on 01/02/2008 22:58:39
Originally by: The Socialworker
Easy Tiger. You've made a small profit from small scale market manipulation and now seem to
think that you can just massively up the scale and it will work the same. It looks to me like
you are setting yourself up for a big fall here if you do find the investors.
In my experience you can get away with this sort of thing only on a small scale, in niche markets,
and in short time scale, and only because you slip under the radar.
I've seen people go down bloody twice this year trying to pull a stunt like this, and at the time
I guessed that they raised their isk here. They showed up in a blaze of glory with isk falling out of
their back pockets, and no experience at all in the markets they were moving into as far as I could
see. They both made plenty of mistakes, but the main points that screwed them up where the amount
of slack in the markets in the form of huge stocks being held by some traders and industrialists, and
the bloody mindedness of other traders, who were prepared to go out of their way in terms of pricing
and finding stock. I think they both just about brock even or made a small profit, but I know I made a
mint out of them and I wasn't the only one.
The bigger the move you are trying to make on the markets, then the less 'ownable' the market is.
In my experience I've only managed to make stunts like this work on the bigger scale when I've been
active in a market for a long time, clocked an undervalued market, and made a big jump in all the
hubs at the same time, using up every spare market order that your skills allow. In other words clinging
to the back of the market beast and giving it a kick now and then, rather than owning it.
So if you were to just fly into. say.. heimatar and molden heath and try and buy up all the erm.. drones
you would go down very bloody.
Well thank you for not judging my "weird alt name" or my un-knowledge of API keys, or showing me the disrespect some others have in this thread.
I'm happy you talked to me out of your own experience etc. I'll take this into account.
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The Socialworker
Minmatar
The Socialworkers
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:39:00 -
[46]
Originally by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
Edited by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3 on 01/02/2008 22:58:39
Originally by: The Socialworker
Easy Tiger. You've made a small profit from small scale market manipulation and now seem to
think that you can just massively up the scale and it will work the same. It looks to me like
you are setting yourself up for a big fall here if you do find the investors.
In my experience you can get away with this sort of thing only on a small scale, in niche markets,
and in short time scale, and only because you slip under the radar.
I've seen people go down bloody twice this year trying to pull a stunt like this, and at the time
I guessed that they raised their isk here. They showed up in a blaze of glory with isk falling out of
their back pockets, and no experience at all in the markets they were moving into as far as I could
see. They both made plenty of mistakes, but the main points that screwed them up where the amount
of slack in the markets in the form of huge stocks being held by some traders and industrialists, and
the bloody mindedness of other traders, who were prepared to go out of their way in terms of pricing
and finding stock. I think they both just about brock even or made a small profit, but I know I made a
mint out of them and I wasn't the only one.
The bigger the move you are trying to make on the markets, then the less 'ownable' the market is.
In my experience I've only managed to make stunts like this work on the bigger scale when I've been
active in a market for a long time, clocked an undervalued market, and made a big jump in all the
hubs at the same time, using up every spare market order that your skills allow. In other words clinging
to the back of the market beast and giving it a kick now and then, rather than owning it.
So if you were to just fly into. say.. heimatar and molden heath and try and buy up all the erm.. drones
you would go down very bloody.
Well thank you for not judging my "weird alt name" or my un-knowledge of API keys, or showing me the disrespect some others have in this thread.
I'm happy you talked to me out of your own experience etc. I'll take this into account.
NP. Some of the regular characters in this forum can get a bit carried away with themselves
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DaBiatch
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:04:00 -
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this guy is a scammer
DO NOT GIVE HIM ISK
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:06:00 -
[48]
Originally by: DaBiatch
this guy is a scammer
DO NOT GIVE HIM ISK
got proof?
---DISCLAIMER---
I am not say that he is or is not a scammer, but the above quoted statement, does require some proof in my mind.
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Obviously this guy read my post, saw that people were willing to give me more money than I would even accept, and thought he could get the same amount of willing investors.
Are you kidding me? You're so full of yourself.
I think you meant to say, he saw Ricdic's 100b offering, saw people throwing 20 billion at it (20 billion from an individual!) and thought there was some big bucks to be had here.
You didn't get nearly the same response as Ricdic, and you'll never be nearly as influential as Ricdic. Stop pretending.
I really don't see this going anywhere, sorry guy, start a lot smaller and work up to it. Spend a month leading everyone on with just a few billion and then you can push it up to 40 billion. It worked for me.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:23:00 -
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It's hard to tell with this one. The guy seems to be answering all questions fairly. Obviously I do believe 60b is a big wad of cash to put into an unknown. So to the OP let's get that API key, I can take a look ingame if you want.
Personally I think this might work if you had someone handle your orders (or at least a portion of them) so you never had the full amount of cash on hand (like Shar did with Rdir). Either way we need to see that you have done this before on a decent scale (spending 2 hours trying to turn a market isn't counted as experienced).
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:12:00 -
[51]
Originally by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3
Edited by: TWiZT3DCaRNaG3 on 01/02/2008 22:06:47
- Nobody asks you to be so disrespectful if you don't agree with someone.
- You judge my alt name when I explained already that I bought if from someone. Will you judge me if I'm black ? That's how you think ?
In EVE you get to choose your name when you create the character so I judge you by your name, the fact that you bought it does not change that in any way. I also judge you an annoying idiot for implying I'm a racist.
Based on your complete lack of a reputation, lack of knowledge of the game, lack of history, limited time playing the game, alt name, lack of security, lack of a meaningful business plan (I'm gona buy everything up and then sell it for more is not a business plan) and generally belligerent attitude I would say your IPO is going to fail miserably.
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DaBiatch
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:44:00 -
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yes he scammed me
so i will make an effort to make ppl aware about him
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:58:00 -
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Why not post with your main in the first place?
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BhurakStarkiller
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:08:00 -
[54]
Shady character... |
Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:11:00 -
[55]
Originally by: DaBiatch
yes he scammed me
so i will make an effort to make ppl aware about him
Can you give details?
5% Mining & Manufacturing Implants |
DaBiatch
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:20:00 -
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well I have chatlogs for your ummm his scam and if he wishes he has the right to call me a liar but chatlogs and transactions tab dont lie
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:33:00 -
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Can you furnish proof? I don't mean to say I doubt you but to shut this guy's IPO down and thus insure he doesn't scam anyone else proof is needed.
5% Mining & Manufacturing Implants |
Aslord
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:55:00 -
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he scam me too. selling EFS shares. i sent isk but get no shares.
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:56:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Riethe on 02/02/2008 14:01:09
Guys he scammed me too.
edit: proof: http://j.ath.cx/wallet/
Keep refreshing until you find a balance that is large enough to be convincing.
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Myadra
Amarr
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.02.02 14:02:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Myadra on 02/02/2008 14:04:13
1 note:
to OP, Another odd thing, is i did search on sell forums for your character, its never been sold before. maybe it was via a private sale for isk.? but just adds more doubt that its a pvp alt you purchased. sounds more like a alt of a alt. or something fishy, most go to the character sell forums when their looking for a spare character for fun
But anyway, those API's of skills/wallet could clear up things up I think, (the feel of this..) which to me even feels wrong , anyway if you choose someone to vouch for you, like disclosing it to someone in Eve bank. (API stuff of character skills / wallet) who seem to be trusted here. then could re-do this whole post, disclosing everything like should of done from start, main etc, people backing you up, someone vouching for you etc, and explanation why you need so much isk to manipulate things, I can understand why but others might seem not to. and also, post it with your main or original character.
All in all, its the way this whole thing was done and worded just sounded/felt wrong from the start. better luck next time around.
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