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Happy Bunny
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Posted - 2008.02.01 19:51:00 -
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So we've all read the latest Dev Blog from CCP Zulupark, and anybody who has read the comments left by the Eve Community has probably had to go and wash their brain out to clear some of the bile away.
Seriously, that guy must have the ****tiest job in the world.
No matter what the guy does he gets flamed all the way to hell.
Okay, so the proposed carrier change was always gonna **** people , but at least that never actually happened. ( Thank **** ). But the response to the armor resist re-jig has left me frankly stunned. 90% of the truly vitrilic whines left in response are screaming and *****ing for changes to things that the blog clearly states will be looked at. And how the christ anyone can complain about it anyway is beyond me. The crying about EM damage has been epic and ongoing, probably for close to 2 years now theres been at least 5 threads a week complaining that EM damage sucks against armor.
It egst fixed so that EM DAMAGE, not just alser turrets, no longer sucks against armor.
And whats the response?
A mega-whine that it's actually a stealth Minmatar boost, when anyone whos actually used then knows that you use Barrage against armor and Phased Plasma against shields anyway.
So i just thought I'd sya well done Zulupark for not doing what I'd do in this situation and issue a perma-ban to everyone that pesronally attacked me on the forums for trying to fix a problem that hasnt been tackled for damn near 2 years. ( Which is actually longer than a lot of the loudest whiners have even been playing.)
/me gives Zulupark beerz
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:15:00 -
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Well as long as the only changes that are coming off his desk are HUGE nerfs while there are options to do it without nerfing everything but actually by giving love to certain parts of the game then yes sure he'll get my hats off too. But as it stands now he only seems to be able to approach difficult issues by short term major nerfs with huge possible long term issues coming from it. He's nerfing the very base balance of the game as if the carrier nerf didnt get enough hate allready.
Seriously CCP need to stop alienating their customers by nerfing everything hardcore, patch after patch with each nerf getting bigger and bigger. Look what this way of thinking got Dark Age of Camelot into...
For the love of all Make changes through LOVE not NERFS.
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JetJon
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:21:00 -
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i watched Planetside do the same thing, fel into the crapper when dev started nerfing everything to sute the whinners.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: JetJon i watched Planetside do the same thing, fel into the crapper when dev started nerfing everything to sute the whinners.
Did they nerf that huge missile thing with only three shots? I like that one. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2 |
bldyannoyed
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: JetJon i watched Planetside do the same thing, fel into the crapper when dev started nerfing everything to sute the whinners.
Did they nerf that huge missile thing with only three shots? I like that one.
They did as it happens.
Made it take 4 shots to kill a MAX instead of 3.
Which was ***.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:34:00 -
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Love and Ner.. Change are two sides of the same medal.
It just happens to depend on which side people see themselves.
Ah well, most of the complaints were due to the explosive reduction anyway. As if anyone cared about EM resistance.. Honestly I could do without the exp reduction. Although 5% instead of 10% would probably be best.
Anyway, got to agree with the OP. Keep up the work Zulu, and ignore all the idiots.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: DrAtomic Well as long as the only changes that are coming off his desk are HUGE nerfs while there are options to do it without nerfing everything but actually by giving love to certain parts of the game then yes sure he'll get my hats off too. But as it stands now he only seems to be able to approach difficult issues by short term major nerfs with huge possible long term issues coming from it. He's nerfing the very base balance of the game as if the carrier nerf didnt get enough hate allready.
Seriously CCP need to stop alienating their customers by nerfing everything hardcore, patch after patch with each nerf getting bigger and bigger. Look what this way of thinking got Dark Age of Camelot into...
For the love of all Make changes through LOVE not NERFS.
Specifically, what nerf are you talking about this time? Armour resists?
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Specifically, what nerf are you talking about this time? Armour resists?
It's in the latest Dev Blog by CCP Zulupark.
To the OP I agree that Zulu gets a lot more flak than he deserves. Even in this case. I do think however they need to rethink how they present info to the community. This one was purported to be an effort at an Amarr buff. Amarr pilots did not see it as much of a buff and it amounted to a buff via a nerf to everything (including Amarr ships). And, oddly, Minmatar benefited from this and few people think that is really necessary.
I understand what they are trying to achieve. It's just so far all the promised "oomph" to Amarr has been the sound Amarr players make when getting kicked in the nads (again). I think the fear was this was more of the same.
It looks like some other Amarr changes are indeed in the works which actually focus on some Amarr ships which is good.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: bldyannoyed
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: JetJon i watched Planetside do the same thing, fel into the crapper when dev started nerfing everything to sute the whinners.
Did they nerf that huge missile thing with only three shots? I like that one.
They did as it happens.
Made it take 4 shots to kill a MAX instead of 3.
Which was ***.
I LIKED the missile thingy. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2 |
TigerWoman
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:48:00 -
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for some reason i think zulu is the new guy, so he needs to post the not cool changes and gets all the flaming. its kinda like being the new guy at a certain team and the guys just throw you into the cold water. he will have his flamesuit soon ;)
anyways sisi changes look good so far. if the current sisi build would have been the topic of the devblog it would have been waaaaaaaaaaay less flaming.
so amarr players: go to sisi and then thank mister zulu ;)
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Danjira Ryuujin
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h This one was purported to be an effort at an Amarr buff. Amarr pilots did not see it as much of a buff and it amounted to a buff via a nerf to everything (including Amarr ships).
I don't think there is anything they could do to get this right in the community's eyes. The resists change is serious, and needs feedback from the community before other changes can be introduced. On the other hand it seems that 90% of the people on the forums are reactionary idiots that will blow up if someone doesn't sing a song, paint a picture, and do a dance to explain EVERYTHING to them all at once. This devblog was just a tiny part of the "amarr ooopmh". Hell the thread even said that. Yet there were dozens of responses complaining that they wanted cap reduction and fitting changes for energy weapons.
This resist change was mentioned maybe 6 months ago, and yet still people came out of the woodwork like this was the first time they had ever heard about it.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Danjira Ryuujin This resist change was mentioned maybe 6 months ago, and yet still people came out of the woodwork like this was the first time they had ever heard about it.
The devs did mention many times that they thought a primary issue was unduly high EM resists found in armor omnitanks and that armor tanks were prevalent by far in PvP. I am guessing most people felt they would do something to decrease the effectiveness of an omnitank via nerfing some modules effectivness and/or making shield tanking appear more attractive.
However I do not think the community expected this across the board lowering of resists and particularly including explosive resist tweaks to the mix as well. And with all the Amarr issues this hardly looked like anything to be particularly happy about. Given the glacial pace that CCP approaches these things (they have been talking about Amarr getting some love since at least a year ago) the fear is we'd see this and then they'd forget about it for another year. As it happens there appear to be some unannounced changes to Amarr ship on SiSi which is good but till someone spotted that all people had ot go on was the Dev Blog.
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Danjira Ryuujin
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:05:00 -
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The shield resist adjustment was a bit strange. Previously when they talked about resists they mentioned moving 10% from explosive to EM for shields. Still it makes sense if they were going to adjust armor tanking downward that they would also have to adjust shield tanking downward.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:16:00 -
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I think constant change is good. Everything needs a tweak. As long as devblogs come out with changes Im happy. So hats off for Zulu for making all these changes. It prolly is a ****ty job with all the flamers out there but we Amarr havent been this happy for 2,5 years. Thanks!
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Eve University
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:53:00 -
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Then how about some POSITIVE change instead of swinging the almighty nerfbat? Is it that hard to give Amarr specific love to their ships and weapons, instead of chopping away at everyone? I always thought it was easier to balance buffing/nerfing ONE thing to fix an issue - at least, that's what I was told when they took my 5-heavy-drone Myrmidon from me.
Zulupark needs to get a better feel for the forums and how to not come off as bad as he does if he wants any hats off.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Then how about some POSITIVE change instead of swinging the almighty nerfbat? Is it that hard to give Amarr specific love to their ships and weapons, instead of chopping away at everyone? I always thought it was easier to balance buffing/nerfing ONE thing to fix an issue - at least, that's what I was told when they took my 5-heavy-drone Myrmidon from me.
Zulupark needs to get a better feel for the forums and how to not come off as bad as he does if he wants any hats off.
Maybe you didn't notice. Plus tracking disruptors reduce falloff, making them very powerful. Enough positive change? Actually, boost and nerf is purely perception.
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General StarScream
Borg Collective hive mind
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:00:00 -
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ye not like amarr was any bad?
watch this vid
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:50:00 -
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Every serious change or proposal has been way over the top and unwarrented. Thats why he's getting so much flack.
There is no balance here, it's just nerf and buff.
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Angelic Eviaran
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Then how about some POSITIVE change instead of swinging the almighty nerfbat? Is it that hard to give Amarr specific love to their ships and weapons, instead of chopping away at everyone? I always thought it was easier to balance buffing/nerfing ONE thing to fix an issue - at least, that's what I was told when they took my 5-heavy-drone Myrmidon from me.
Zulupark needs to get a better feel for the forums and how to not come off as bad as he does if he wants any hats off.
Gallente is now brought back to normal mode. Many were too used to easy mode pvp and the rest of the races are hat off for this.
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Lebowske
Nosferatu Security Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lebowske on 02/02/2008 02:03:40 Being a dev and sticking your head out like that (zp) requires items of a round nature. Regarding the change, I have no idea if it will have the right effect - but that remains to be seemed. until that - live long & prosp ... ah **** it, gl, zp.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Angelic Eviaran
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Then how about some POSITIVE change instead of swinging the almighty nerfbat? Is it that hard to give Amarr specific love to their ships and weapons, instead of chopping away at everyone? I always thought it was easier to balance buffing/nerfing ONE thing to fix an issue - at least, that's what I was told when they took my 5-heavy-drone Myrmidon from me.
Zulupark needs to get a better feel for the forums and how to not come off as bad as he does if he wants any hats off.
Gallente is now brought back to normal mode. Many were too used to easy mode pvp and the rest of the races are hat off for this.
Do you even PVP? Gallente ships being the be all and end all of PVP is a myth and a ******* stupid one at that.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:19:00 -
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Ah well, if that means that from now on I can claim to be playing EVE in hardcore mode, I can live with it.
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