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Dabora Blade
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Posted - 2008.02.02 08:28:00 -
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i started playing eve around november 2004 and really got into it mid 2005 when i started this character. but just lately i cant seem to get into eve anymore its just not the game i started back then. its lost its edge that drew me to it in the first place it definatly seems that over the last few years its been edging further and further towards pvp.
and i use pvp as the actual fighting term.. not the smart ass comment of the market is pvp lol. but one of the reasons i liked this game was the option not to pvp but now you cant even mine in peace or even rat with out the risk of some one trying to loot your gear and provoke you into pvp. i myself am a pvp fan but now the option of a hassle free game time is nearly gone, using this as an example but there are many things that have changed far to many to list here.
im not looking for a thread of flames im just asking some of the long term players if this is the game they started back then or if the changes along they way have let the game down in some ways?.
and no you cant have my stuff :) ( thought i would get that in before the smart ass ) i dont intend on quitting just yet.
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.02 08:39:00 -
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I know what you mean, but one of teh great things about EVE is when you have had enough...set a long skill, go away fin dyrou self out side of game. Perhaps go out and do things unrelated to EVE. Then when you come back, everything wil be new and exciting again. Thats what I did.
Im just annoyed becuase I can't log in at he moment an dmy mission is goign to expire...sigh...
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Dabora Blade
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Posted - 2008.02.02 08:50:00 -
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lol yeah problem is im running out of 4 to 5 skills to train  looks like a break with minor sp gain for a while
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.02 08:54:00 -
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yep, it will help. What is actually bothering you in EVE...
Noobs in BS
ISK buyers/sellers
Comercialisation f the actual game (Large increment of player base)
You have done everything you can in game...
What I am fast begining to relise, in EVE the godlike chars from genisis when it all began, are now leaving making me wonder: -
"We strike to become perfect and reach our prime...but when we get there it makes us unhappy becuase theres nothing left to reach". You must be the 20th person over 3 years to say..."I have had enough eve doesnt do it for me any more..."
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Sam Browne
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:26:00 -
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I can understand where you are coming from, it isn't the game you were playing in 2004. It has both become bigger and smaller with more choices and options open, but it's still providing me with the new challenges I look for, and have looked for since Nov 2003.
The game's playerbase has mushroomed, which is brilliant (4k online at once used to be something I'd be chuffed with), but with it comes the lack of privacy associated with 40k online poddies who all want their own chunk.
New regions have been added (not-enough for that omg space is really really big imho) but the actual size has been negated by jump clones, faster ships and jump ships et al.
There's a multitude of stuff do do career-wise, PvP, (I tried, failed at epic level so looked elsewhere and found:) Exploration, Invention, Salvage, Bounty hunting, Rigging to just mention some of the new stuff, but not to exclude High Level Missioning, Mining and Manufacturing which are full time careers on their own if you want them to be...
After all the waffle, to answer your question Dabora, for me most of the changes have just required amendment or adjustment to my aims. Apart from small (dare I say not-fully-realized adverse effects - e.g. nano, infinate cloak ability, Non-stealth bomber) hiccups yet to be cured, the only thing I think did the game a dis-service is Clone Jumping. There are benefits I know well, but to my mind it should take time do get to the other end of the cluster, whereas now, Space is no longer big, it's just a daytrip away.
Oh, and personally, I hate Warp Jammers. If someone is prepared to sacrifice low slots to provision WCS, then they should indeed have WCStability. Jmho.
Just my thoughts. Have a nice day 
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:37:00 -
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The game suffers from what plagues all games eventually. It has grown beyond the practicality of its original inception.
There simply isn't enough hard core combat pvpers in the gaming industry that want an eve type game. As a result the game is somewhat out of balance.
Early on there were not so many builders so they got higher prices because they could only build so fast. Now more builders have joined and thus more competition, the builder population has grown faster than the combat population.
The other major problem is the game time investment. A casual gamer has practically no chance in EVE, they simply cannot earn the isk fast enough to enjoy some parts of the game. Some of these are the hard combat pvpers eve needs to rebalance the system but due to the design they simply can't compete.
EVE's bubble will expand perhaps a bit further then look for it to deflate some as people go to look elsewhere for their challenges.
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:47:00 -
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A casual gamer has practically no chance in EVE, they simply cannot earn the isk fast enough to enjoy some parts of the game.
I dont aggree with this, GTC and easy ways to make hundreds of millions on one kill spring to mind.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:16:00 -
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Play any MMO a few years and this starts to happen. Ive experienced it multiple times myself. MMOS always change, and usually always change is for the worst. Either through game mechanics, or popularity. When something good gets popular it usually becomes fake feeling, all the things that used to make it good get isolated and molded and then spewed out in cheap plastic copies, and the masses who don't know better just look around and see everyone else assuming they should be satisfied and feel satisfied themselves, only those who remain from the real thing know the difference=p
This is also how reality works, and why its probably better than people don't live forever. They would become far too frustrated at how all the newbies are doing everything wrong.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:26:00 -
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Try to remember that part of what you older players are going through is that your missing the nastalgia of the proverbial old days. Lets face it. You had great fun back then cause it was all new to you and you had no past EVE history to hold it up against, or compare it to.
The new players on the other hand are now like you were back then. They can't know what your talking about and they have no past memories to draw a criticism from like you can do now.
Point is it would be like this with any MMO you put that much time and effort in. Just as it is for many things in real life.
Just remember one thing. If you do leave; and then if you can't find anything comparable to take it's place; even if its not an MMO (might be a relationship IRL) you likely will one day (perhaps a year or more) down the road hope you can log back in.
If you can't come back for whatever reason you might find yourself like I am today after a few years being away from my last MMO and actually missing your ALTS like they were real people as well as glorifying the good ole days.
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Conrad Rock
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:29:00 -
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Hopefully the new asteroid belts will help you regain some of that quiet.
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Sevan Rax
Blue.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:29:00 -
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Bored? need a change? try this!
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Voodoo Dog
Gallente
Pilots of the Apocolypse
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:35:00 -
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I am not an older player to comment on the "good old days", but I do believe a section of EVE space should be completely PvP free, maybe just the 1.0 security sections of space, just to give EVERY player a place he can fully enjoy, even the carebears.
and no i am pure Pvp and so is my main
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Daedalus DuGalle
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Voodoo Dog
I am not an older player to comment on the "good old days", but I do believe a section of EVE space should be completely PvP free, maybe just the 1.0 security sections of space, just to give EVERY player a place he can fully enjoy, even the carebears.
and no i am pure Pvp and so is my main
I miss the feeling of being poor to be honest. I used to plan ahead for the next week thinking how long it'll be before I can upgrade to a Tristan. I used to be all paranoid and think everybody was out to get me when I hauled a 1mil mod around. 
Nowadays I'm not rich, but I'm well aware of the relative ease with which you can get isk. I miss the sense of wonder.  If only everything could be made expensive again. If only fleet battles would be mainly between cruisers and not BS.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Hawkings
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A casual gamer has practically no chance in EVE, they simply cannot earn the isk fast enough to enjoy some parts of the game.
I dont aggree with this, GTC and easy ways to make hundreds of millions on one kill spring to mind.
Not everyone buys GTCs, I never have actually. That's a problem when you point to that as the only way a casual gamer can compete, by spending more real money than the other players. That's why they either stay small scale play or they move on. They can play other games to get their thrills that cost less than the subscription price plus GTCs to compete in EVE.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Conrad Rock
Hopefully the new asteroid belts will help you regain some of that quiet.
I suspect many folks may quit if they remove all of the static belts. Casual players will simply not have time to track down a belt and mine, they'd have time to do one but not both.
It's going to hurt the game more than help it.
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Sellzora
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:33:00 -
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Been playing sinse 03 and I know how U feel. The game that U loved for years. Isn't lovin U back anymore. I just log in to change skills anymore these days. Hoping the feelin comes back. For me I think its the plp in the game that has turned me off. To many younger plyrs ply this game and they show it. About 6 months ago I was PVP'n in my Geddon and locked up with a Domi was great fight then the gate fired and 15 ships where on me. Needless to say I lost my ship. Then the smack started. Then I said to myself OMG I got popped by bunch of 12yr olds. With out a doubt 03 was filled with a better class of plp. All I can say is hang in there one day EVE will love you back. GL
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sellzora
Been playing sinse 03 and I know how U feel. The game that U loved for years. Isn't lovin U back anymore. I just log in to change skills anymore these days. Hoping the feelin comes back. For me I think its the plp in the game that has turned me off. To many younger plyrs ply this game and they show it. About 6 months ago I was PVP'n in my Geddon and locked up with a Domi was great fight then the gate fired and 15 ships where on me. Needless to say I lost my ship. Then the smack started. Then I said to myself OMG I got popped by bunch of 12yr olds. With out a doubt 03 was filled with a better class of plp. All I can say is hang in there one day EVE will love you back. GL
omg , good post
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sellzora
Been playing sinse 03 and I know how U feel. The game that U loved for years. Isn't lovin U back anymore. I just log in to change skills anymore these days. Hoping the feelin comes back. For me I think its the plp in the game that has turned me off. To many younger plyrs ply this game and they show it. About 6 months ago I was PVP'n in my Geddon and locked up with a Domi was great fight then the gate fired and 15 ships where on me. Needless to say I lost my ship. Then the smack started. Then I said to myself OMG I got popped by bunch of 12yr olds. With out a doubt 03 was filled with a better class of plp. All I can say is hang in there one day EVE will love you back. GL
The trouble is when those new players joined they asked how they could possibly compete with the vets. The vets laughed at them and told them it was an MMO, and that they should team up! And they did, in frigates and crusiers initially but now many have graduated to BS - hence your experience.
Dont be to alarmed though, it will be at least another 8-12 months before they all have carriers.
C.
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Paladineguru
Gallente
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:52:00 -
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I've Played since beta, its not the same game, sometimes its better ,sometimes its worse, take a long break witha long skill dude, its the key to long term eve sanity. Most of us older than 2004 will tell you we all take long breaks. this gamewould consume your lifeif you didnt.
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Starraker
Vengeance Associates
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:38:00 -
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I miss two things:
Being poor and scrapping all your isk together just for T1 stuff.
The vast emptiness, it used to be possible to just fly around seeing just a few people. The fact that every system is filled with at least 5-10 people makes space feel less vast. But it does lead to more interaction (fill that in with whatever you like) with other players.
What really annoys me is the ammount of isk buying noobs. Who think they will have a better experience when they are in a BS in a few weeks. I loved building up to new ships, getting better at everything along the way. I took me a whole year to get to a BS.
These people also seem to think they need to have the best of the best in modules. Why waste your isk on deadspace stuff for 5% more efeciency. It is fun to screw around in low sec in your T1 fitted frig. It is much more fun then running lvl 3 missions as efficient as possible.
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DR STUMPY
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dabora Blade
it definatly seems that over the last few years its been edging further and further towards pvp.
completely the opposite tbh, there are more ways than ever before to avoid combat.
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