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Crom Domison
Starwinders The Unwilling.
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:21:00 -
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Hey. I'm a 20mil SP pilot in a corp I love, but truth be told they don't do alot of PvE.
Many of my fellow pirates rely on buying PLEXes or using alts for their sustenance ISK. I cannot afford either of these means and thus I have come here in search of my own means of making ISK. I do however have restrictions:
I obviously have a low security status that will inevitably plummet in the coming future - so high-sec is a no-go for me. I can fly Minmatar Battlecruisers/HACs with the core tech 2 modules & guns fitted, can also fly Loki's, Minmatar and Gallente Drone-boat Battleships (No Tech 2 guns however).
Also the region of space we reside in is very active with other roaming gangs - so soloing safely is going to be pretty hard, also considering most of my corp mates are inactive during the daytime till about 7pmish.
So I am wondering if any kind-hearted, fellow pirates out there (juxtaposed?) could help me find some footing in this area. Do you have any advice as to what I can do?
Thanks - Crom |
Plutonian
Intransigent
92
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:55:00 -
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You can trade (skills are quick to train on an alt... can be easily added onto a hauler alt).
You can rat in quiet systems. (Nearly as boring as missions TBH.)
You can purchase/train an alt for Empire stuff (Missions/Incursions/etc).
You can do lowsec exploration. (Cannot help here... never done it, but heard it is fairly lucrative.)
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.02.14 06:37:00 -
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Plutonian wrote:You can trade (skills are quick to train on an alt... can be easily added onto a hauler alt).
You can rat in quiet systems. (Nearly as boring as missions TBH.)
You can purchase/train an alt for Empire stuff (Missions/Incursions/etc).
You can do lowsec exploration. (Cannot help here... never done it, but heard it is fairly lucrative.)
Lowsec exploration is lucrative. There's also WH PVP and PVE as well.
Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Johanne D'Arc
Rhine and Courtesan
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Posted - 2012.02.14 07:56:00 -
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Fly 10-15m isk arty thrashers and live off the loot you get from silly frig pilots carrying way too much ammo and fitting fancy mods. |
Rancyin
Trans-Solar Works
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Posted - 2012.02.14 08:46:00 -
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Fit a Ishtar. Scan down DED sites. rince and repeat. should be able to solo upto 8/10.
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Xylorn Hasher
Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2012.02.14 08:51:00 -
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I started a pirate career more than 2 years ago with around 1 Bil ISK in my wallet, 3 fitted canes, Hound and a Jaguar. Now i have more than 15 Bils ISK all earned in lowsec without any help from from hisec alts ( except from hauling loot to hubs ). Sure i have lost some ship for around 3 Bils ISK worth in that time.
My tip for you and every other pirate who wants to be quite rich is: Probing, probing and PI.
PI done in low makes you easly 150m / week per char and its only 5 days of training for 5 planets.
Plexes, Radars and other stuff is all about luck, my experience average profit from that activity is 200-300m per 2 hours of job every day.
You may ask so why i have only 15 Bils? Well im lazy. I do probing like once or twice a week only - there is no need to farm more as im paying my subs with $$.
Also having all sites probed in your neighborhood gives you obvious advantage
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Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
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Posted - 2012.02.14 09:03:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote: PI done in low makes you easly 150m / week per char and its only 5 days of training for 5 planets.
This. PI is very easy money in lowsec. Train up your other two accounts and make almost passive ISK. Plexes are too random for my taste. PI is steady and easy.
Or be a good pirate and loot more than you lose ;) |
Plutonian
Intransigent
92
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Posted - 2012.02.14 09:19:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:I started a pirate career more than 2 years ago with around 1 Bil ISK in my wallet, 3 fitted canes, Hound and a Jaguar. Now i have more than 15 Bils ISK all earned in lowsec without any help from from hisec alts ( except from hauling loot to hubs ). Sure i have lost some ship for around 3 Bils ISK worth in that time. My tip for you and every other pirate who wants to be quite rich is: Probing, probing and PI. PI done in low makes you easly 150m / week per char and its only 5 days of training for 5 planets. Plexes, Radars and other stuff is all about luck, my experience average profit from that activity is 200-300m per 2 hours of job every day. You may ask so why i have only 15 Bils? Well im lazy. I do probing like once or twice a week only - there is no need to farm more as im paying my subs with $$. Also having all sites probed in your neighborhood gives you obvious advantage I'm impressed. You, sir, would be a traditional lone-wolf pirate. That's what I need to do... drop this e-honor, frig-duel bullshit and get serious about hurting people.
Do you use a single account?
How many hours would you say you play per week? Do you suffer long empty roams once you're known in local and have to pull up stakes and find new areas?
Any advice?
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Xi 'xar
Mise en Abyme
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Posted - 2012.02.14 09:53:00 -
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I tried some PI a while back but found it too boring to deal with.
Lowsec exploration, including the odd wormhole can be quite lucrative.
Also, don't forget your salvager (even as an offline heatsink). Salvaging T2 / T3 wrecks (which you have hopefully taken part in killing) can quite easily pay for many of your losses and / or keep you in ships. http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/explore-low-sec/ http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/live-low-sec/ http://mrsnypes.blogspot.com/2010/07/burnt-lands.html
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Zosius
Silver Octopus Blind Octopus
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Posted - 2012.02.14 10:24:00 -
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Rancyin wrote:Fit a Ishtar. Scan down DED sites. rince and repeat. should be able to solo upto 8/10.
I love how some people blabber anything without thinking. First off, there is no 8/10 in low sec. And to explore in null you need scout or your ishtar will die before you get decent loot in your cargo.
Second. He is not gallente. Ishtar is too skill intensive to be effective. Not to mention you need to know region. You could not solo 6/10 in blood region with ishtar. Probably not even 5/10.
I would suggest doing ratting with cloaky ship. Best income with little risk if ur careful. Exploration is an option, but need quite extra skills. Can do radars/mags/4.10s in bc easy.
Missions. Though i personally never passed lvl2 standings, my friends get nice rewards from lowsec missioning. Just take some ships with fits to quiet system with a station and do some grinding.
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Karl Planck
131
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:14:00 -
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cause no one else suggested it, poker (EOH), if your good at it |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.02.14 19:28:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:I started a pirate career more than 2 years ago with around 1 Bil ISK in my wallet, 3 fitted canes, Hound and a Jaguar. Now i have more than 15 Bils ISK all earned in lowsec without any help from from hisec alts ( except from hauling loot to hubs ). Sure i have lost some ship for around 3 Bils ISK worth in that time. My tip for you and every other pirate who wants to be quite rich is: Probing, probing and PI. PI done in low makes you easly 150m / week per char and its only 5 days of training for 5 planets. Plexes, Radars and other stuff is all about luck, my experience average profit from that activity is 200-300m per 2 hours of job every day. You may ask so why i have only 15 Bils? Well im lazy. I do probing like once or twice a week only - there is no need to farm more as im paying my subs with $$. Also having all sites probed in your neighborhood gives you obvious advantage
I gotta say that it's rare to hear of any pirate admitting to doing PI. One may even refer to you as a Pirate-Bear :) Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Johanne D'Arc
Rhine and Courtesan
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Posted - 2012.02.14 19:37:00 -
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Doing PVE doesn't automatically tag you a carebear, only an idiot thinks that way. Carebears are the risk averse cowards that have no interest in any combat or generally contributory participation in the game and just ***** up ISK and spend it on dumb overly expensive ships. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:13:00 -
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Johanne D'Arc wrote:Doing PVE doesn't automatically tag you a carebear, only an idiot thinks that way.
Agreed. I'm not consistent with anything often enough to do PI, but I do a lot of exploration. It pays the bills and yields shiny mods for my PVP ships that I don't have to pay for. (cue some annoying min/maxer talking about opportunity cost like anybody but them cares) |
Crom Domison
Starwinders The Unwilling.
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:43:00 -
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Crom Domison wrote:Edit: Here is my skillsheet - What can I do with this skillset in lowsec that will make me ISK? (Shield Management is now lvl 5 though and I got the skills to overheat modules too) http://eveboard.com/pilot/Crom_Domison
I added this to the OP as it may help my cause a little.
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Xearal
SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.15 04:36:00 -
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As a non-pirate who lives in low sec, I highly recommend Exploration as well.
It's a lucrative profession and with your pew pew skills you should be able to easily manage ded plexes and whatnot.
All you need is some scanning skills and some hacking for the radar sites.
It's also very much a random profession, as some days you won't find many sites, and the ones you do find have lousy loots, while on other days, you find sites all over the place and hit those big bonanza's.
It's my profession of choice when I'm not in high sec hauling manufacturing stuff.
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Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.15 04:44:00 -
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Protip: Learn salvaging 5 and put a salvager in your utility high slot (assuming it doesnt break the fit and isnt being used for anything else). Kill anything T2 or T3, salvage it..
I used to make enough to replace the odd ship loss here and there (so dont be ****) and it gives you a good incentive to actualy fight when you are low on cash.
Also a highsec alt is a good idea so it can make the money for you. (Corp theft is great for this and I highly recomend it, but dont ever do this to your pirate corp or you will never pirate again)
Edit: You WILL get laughed at by your fellow pirates when they catch you doing this, but toughen up as its an easy way to make 15-20Mil a day. |
Xylorn Hasher
Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:54:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote: I gotta say that it's rare to hear of any pirate admitting to doing PI. One may even refer to you as a Pirate-Bear :)
Yep someone might say that, in that case i would be the first carebear with -10 sec status. But thing is: I DON'T CARE. I'm pirate, an opportunist, true free man. I do what i want, go where i want and kill what i want. No policy, no bonds no bullshit. That day two years ago i went below -5 sec status was the best day in this game. This is my definition of a pirate.
Those to say to someone a carebear just for doing a plex in low forgot from where they got their ISKies. And i tell ya they usually run lv4 missions in hisec on alts or rat in null on alts that are part of pet corps, all this just to keep perfect -10.00000 ? I lol on them. It's as pathetic as putting a bounty on your own head cuz noone sane enough wont put hundreads of mils on someone's head with current game mechanic.
Plutonian wrote:
I'm impressed. You, sir, would be a traditional lone-wolf pirate. That's what I need to do... drop this e-honor, frig-duel bullshit and get serious about hurting people.
Do you use a single account?
How many hours would you say you play per week? Do you suffer long empty roams once you're known in local and have to pull up stakes and find new areas?
Any advice?
First thing. There in no such a thing like e-honour. Yes i honor ransoms and ill let you go if you pay. But don't expect much more. Even if you are 2 days old player in a Thrasher on belt or harmless Hoader on gate i'll engage kill your ship and pod you if you are too slow to warp away. That's because you have loot and a corpse that i can have. In the end of the day only counts that you killed your prey. No matter how.
I own two accounts. I play 4-5 hours per day, more at wekends. Yes lowsec is sometimes empty, but hunting is all about being in right place on right time. You must be patient cuz this job is far from insta action. Well i operate in Heimatar area. I think 90% of my kills were made in same 3 or 4 systems. You can check my KB on battleclinic.
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Xylorn Hasher
Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:09:00 -
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Or just have some luck like i had a few minutes ago:
300m worth Mammoth kill |
Plutonian
Intransigent
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:36:00 -
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Nice kill. And thanks for the advice.
I was really hoping the 'traditional pirate' role you do would be less time intensive. I guess I was hoping that by dropping the e-honor thing I'd have a wider selection of targets which would shorten hunts.
I'm at a crossroads; I keep trying to find a way to keep Eve manageable, but can't find anything resembling a casual play-style. Even flying T1 frigates solo can leave you hunting for hours some nights. Not to mention the logistics side of things. Perhaps what I'm seeking does not exist in a MMO.
Eve always steals more time than I'd like... more time than I'm willing to allow.
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Sprite Can
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Posted - 2012.02.16 06:12:00 -
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PVP in the literal sense of shooting each other with spaceships is going to be time intensive no matter how you approach it, really. EVE can be played pretty casually from a PVE perspective, or in Market PVP. Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.16 06:18:00 -
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Plutonian wrote:Nice kill. And thanks for the advice.
I was really hoping the 'traditional pirate' role you do would be less time intensive. I guess I was hoping that by dropping the e-honor thing I'd have a wider selection of targets which would shorten hunts.
I'm at a crossroads; I keep trying to find a way to keep Eve manageable, but can't find anything resembling a casual play-style. Even flying T1 frigates solo can leave you hunting for hours some nights. Not to mention the logistics side of things. Perhaps what I'm seeking does not exist in a MMO.
Eve always steals more time than I'd like... more time than I'm willing to allow.
RvB or faction war are for you my friend. |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
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Posted - 2012.02.16 10:31:00 -
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Lana Torrin wrote:RvB or faction war are for you my friend.
Seconded.
RvB is by far the best place for the casual Eve player looking for pvp. |
papamike
Precipice Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:29:00 -
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I heard its alot of station hugging and neutral repping. C/D?
*not a troll post- actual question*
I flew in FW years ago. At the start it was awesome because it had loads of targets willing to pvp.
Dont know how it is now though... kinda died out. |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:56:00 -
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Station games are a part of pvp. You won't see any of them during fleet ops in RvB but otherwise there's plenty of screwing around. But there's usually a fleet to join and when a location is agreed on for a battle you're certain to get a good fight. Not necessarily the epitome of pvp in Eve but for casual players who don't have the time to roam for hours it's the next best thing. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
150
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:00:00 -
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Run scams.
Read link in sig if this confuses you. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Plutonian
Intransigent
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:23:00 -
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I will give RvB a try. Many thanks.
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