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elitatwo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.03 03:15:00 -
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At first, YES i am whining and YES i am serious. Now back to topic. The Scorpion is supposed to be a Battleship period. Well if you "compare" all Battleships in the game you may notice that a Scorpion has just 6 high slots and not 8 like all other Battleships. Second it is neither a turret, nor a missile boat even if it could fit both of those. The Scorpion as she now is in the game is just an oversized Blackbird with some ecm bonus' on it - yea well um how is it supposed to harm anyone if she does not can hurt anyone? Shouldnt a Battleship be capable of dealing damage - at least some? Even the new Widow got 5 launcher hardpoints and a rof bonus on it. So why cant the Scorpion be revised and get the missing two high slots with launcher hardpoint to be "in line" with other Battleship. My solution would be as follows: High slots: 8 (6 missile launcher no turrets) Med slots: no change Low slots: no change +10% Capacitor capacity (base)
Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus: % bonus to cruise and siege missile launcher rate of fire and 10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo velocity per level
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Kun'mi
Amarr An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.02.03 03:20:00 -
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uh cause then it's a raven with uber ECM and/or tank?
scorp is fine. if anything, i'd give it a slight boost to ECm effectivness again. those things are deadly in fleets and even small gangs
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elitatwo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.03 03:31:00 -
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Ooops! I meant High slots: 7 (5 launcher no turret) To be quite similar to the Widow.
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Westly Synpa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.03 03:36:00 -
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this is stupid your stupid. Its main weapons are ECM not missiles.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.02.03 04:18:00 -
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The failure in this thread has hit critical levels!
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Originally by: Tarminic I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
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Vrenth
Gallente White Shadow Imperium imPure.
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Posted - 2008.02.03 04:22:00 -
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The scorpion is one of the most deadly ECM ships to date, and due to it's high ammount of mids, it is also the longest range ECM ship. The ship is not meant to "kill" anything, although is capable of being combat fit if you ahve nice missile/hybrid skills. The change you suggest completely changes it's role, making it no better than a raven. In conjunction with your other post, it would make it a washer board raven, capable of doing nothing special and frankly being a boring ship to fly. The scorpion is fine.. --------------------------------- Let's make CLONE VATS useful! |
Frances Ducoir
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.03 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: elitatwo
YES i am serious. Now back to topic. a Scorpion has just 6 high slots and not 8 like all other Battleships.
tldr version... wtf
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.02.03 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 03/02/2008 09:37:33 Your Scorpion isn't effective as a gank machine? Well... it's not supposed to be a DPS machine. It's supposed to pick 3 other ships in the enemy gang, and make them not work anymore. It does this quite well. However, ECM boats share a common weakness: They do DPS like a whiny toddler and have a tank only slightly better than an acid-soaked paper bag.
It's a big Blackbird. That's the point, and it's the ONLY dedicated T1 Ewar battleship. To be honest, the only other things it could be in the Caldari lineup (Missile spammer or rail sniper) are taken, and another would be redundant. In fact, a common complaint about the other race's BS lineups is that X BS is redundant, as they all have 2 BS with the same role. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth |
Gypsio III
Darkness Inc. Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:29:00 -
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What is this rubbish? The Scorp is the most powerful BS in the game.
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geomagick
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Posted - 2008.02.03 11:07:00 -
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Used in its intended role the Scorpian is extremely effective. It can really turn the tide of a battle. On the other hand if you want a damage dealing ship that looks like a scorpian get a Rattlesnake, although I wouldn't recommend this for PVP as it's a tad expensive. |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.03 11:19:00 -
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Looks like somebody is trying to run L4 missions in their scorpion.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Karjala Inc. Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.03 11:39:00 -
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Scorpion is a fine ship. Only problem with it is survival, even compared to other ecm ships. It's big, fat, slow with paper-thin tank if fitted with ecm.
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Gordon Red
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.02.03 11:50:00 -
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The Scorp has ECM => main weapon and purpose (HP and such are in line with the other BS).
You want to change nothing on their low/med, just +2 high slots... do you ever noticed that ALL ships from the same class haveing the same amount of over all slot numbers? => "your" Scorp would be => unbalanced <= !!!
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a51 duke1406
Order Of The Sentinel
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Posted - 2008.02.03 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: a51 duke1406 on 03/02/2008 12:22:41
Originally by: elitatwo At first, YES i am whining and YES i am serious. Now back to topic. The Scorpion is supposed to be a Battleship period. Well if you "compare" all Battleships in the game you may notice that a Scorpion has just 6 high slots and not 8 like all other Battleships. Second it is neither a turret, nor a missile boat even if it could fit both of those. The Scorpion as she now is in the game is just an oversized Blackbird with some ecm bonus' on it - yea well um how is it supposed to harm anyone if she does not can hurt anyone? Shouldnt a Battleship be capable of dealing damage - at least some? Even the new Widow got 5 launcher hardpoints and a rof bonus on it. So why cant the Scorpion be revised and get the missing two high slots with launcher hardpoint to be "in line" with other Battleship. My solution would be as follows: High slots: 8 (6 missile launcher no turrets) Med slots: no change Low slots: no change +10% Capacitor capacity (base)
Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus: % bonus to cruise and siege missile launcher rate of fire and 10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo velocity per level
Domi gets 6 high slots. I never do the whole trolling thing, or at least try to avoid it but you sir are very very stupid.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.03 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 03/02/2008 13:01:39
Originally by: elitatwo
The Scorpion is supposed to be a Battleship period. Well if you "compare" all Battleships in the game you may notice that a Scorpion has just 6 high slots and not 8 like all other Battleships.
WTB: Dominix with 8 high slots .
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Redd Lenses
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.04 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 03/02/2008 13:01:39
Originally by: elitatwo
The Scorpion is supposed to be a Battleship period. Well if you "compare" all Battleships in the game you may notice that a Scorpion has just 6 high slots and not 8 like all other Battleships.
WTB: Dominix with 8 high slots .
WTB: Dominix with 8 mid slots
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Sonya Rayner
Unicorn Enterprise Blind Octopus
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Posted - 2008.02.04 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Redd Lenses
Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 03/02/2008 13:01:39
Originally by: elitatwo
The Scorpion is supposed to be a Battleship period. Well if you "compare" all Battleships in the game you may notice that a Scorpion has just 6 high slots and not 8 like all other Battleships.
WTB: Dominix with 8 high slots .
WTB: Dominix with 8 mid slots
WTB: Dominix with 8 low slots
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente The Beer Barons
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Posted - 2008.02.04 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sonya Rayner
Originally by: Redd Lenses
Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 03/02/2008 13:01:39
Originally by: elitatwo
The Scorpion is supposed to be a Battleship period. Well if you "compare" all Battleships in the game you may notice that a Scorpion has just 6 high slots and not 8 like all other Battleships.
WTB: Dominix with 8 high slots .
WTB: Dominix with 8 mid slots
WTB: Dominix with 8 low slots
WTB: Dominix with 8 Rig Slots
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prathe
Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.02.04 20:53:00 -
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(0.o)
scorpions fine
have a nice day
btw ccp if you get a chance i think tempest should have 8 lows no stacking penalties on gyros , 12 turrets and come pre-domination fitted .
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Steph Wing
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Originally by: Sonya Rayner
Originally by: Redd Lenses
Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 03/02/2008 13:01:39
Originally by: elitatwo
The Scorpion is supposed to be a Battleship period. Well if you "compare" all Battleships in the game you may notice that a Scorpion has just 6 high slots and not 8 like all other Battleships.
WTB: Dominix with 8 high slots .
WTB: Dominix with 8 mid slots
WTB: Dominix with 8 low slots
WTB: Dominix with 8 Rig Slots
WTB: Dominix with all of the above.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:54:00 -
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Unlike all other T1 battleships, the Scorpion is a dedicated ECM boat. EWAR is Caldari's specialty, they are better at it than anyone else, and more invested in it than anyone else. Hence, instead of a fighting ship like all other races get, their t1 BS is an EWAR boat. It's a larger blackbird, and you should treat it as such.
Trying to do anything involving damage with the scorpion is probably doomed to failure from the get go. If you want a combat caldari BS, spend the copule hours it takes to get to a Raven.
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Chencherra
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2008.02.05 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: a51 duke1406
Domi gets 6 high slots. I never do the whole trolling thing, or at least try to avoid it but you sir are very very stupid.
/signed
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.05 15:06:00 -
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You can solo very well in a Scorpion - I'd wager that you could kill more or less every other battleship ingame with it 1vs1. Maybe except for a FoF Raven... or another Scorpion
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.02.05 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: elitatwo The Scorpion is supposed to be a Battleship period.
It's the most specific battleship in the galaxy... It uses ECM, there are no other EW battleships... So, not exactly another battleship!
Originally by: elitatwo Well if you "compare" all Battleships in the game you may notice that a Scorpion has just 6 high slots and not 8 like all other Battleships.
Ok, give 8 highs to the dominix, using drones is clearly not enough.
Originally by: elitatwo Second it is neither a turret, nor a missile boat even if it could fit both of those.
Use both, jam people, kill people, it's a really good ship. Have a friend tackling the target and you're sure to make a defenseless kill.
Originally by: elitatwo The Scorpion as she now is in the game is just an oversized Blackbird with some ecm bonus' on it - yea well um how is it supposed to harm anyone if she does not can hurt anyone? Shouldnt a Battleship be capable of dealing damage - at least some?
When someone doens't fight back, you have plenty of time to kill his cap boosters... That's what ECM is for. Again, use both turrets and missiles to have the highest possible damage output.
Originally by: elitatwo Even the new Widow got 5 launcher hardpoints and a rof bonus on it. So why cant the Scorpion be revised and get the missing two high slots with launcher hardpoint to be "in line" with other Battleship.
What is being inline? I'm not sure we define this the same way. You can do enough damage to kill other BS if you keep them jammed... Most PvP tanks rely on cap boosters, you rely on jamming people while they run out of boosters...
Originally by: elitatwo My solution would be as follows: High slots: 8 (6 missile launcher no turrets) Med slots: no change Low slots: no change +10% Capacitor capacity (base)
Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus: % bonus to cruise and siege missile launcher rate of fire and 10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo velocity per level
Buy a rattlesnake (as you want an ECMless scorpion)! Seriously, killing the only special battleship to make it all like the others is crap! This ship is a big blackbird, and it makes it cool. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.05 15:38:00 -
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The Scorpion is a super nice ship - as caldari I'm ofcourse sad we don't get a cheap battleship with a deadly rack of guns.
I won't go into a super long discussion about the versatility and super powerfull nature of this ship, but those 4 lowslots can make it able to survive massive damage or fit plenty of distortion amplifiers. The 8 medslots are godly!!
Those 6 hi-slots ( 4 / 4 ) are not the most lethal in the world but anything else would be crazy. Making it missiles only is the worst suggestion ever. Railguns are needed for proper fleet sniping if you fit weapons. Trust me you have many good combinations of launchers, guns and neuts to fit.
Oh: The cap doesn't have ANY issues at all - I'm a nice guy!!
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Cyberjunk
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.05 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Cyberjunk on 05/02/2008 15:52:06 So the scorp doesn't do enough damage so you suggest we chance it into a freacking tier 1 raven missle boat?
Has it ever occoured to you that the Scorp is supposed to be an ECM boat and that it's main job is to prevent an enemey from firing back rather then doing uber damage?
If you want do have an scorp for level 4 missions get yourself a rattlesnake dude.
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Ciara Daag
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.02.05 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: elitatwo At first, YES i am whining and YES i am serious. Now back to topic. The Scorpion is supposed to be a Battleship period. Well if you "compare" all Battleships in the game you may notice that a Scorpion has just 6 high slots and not 8 like all other Battleships. Second it is neither a turret, nor a missile boat even if it could fit both of those. The Scorpion as she now is in the game is just an oversized Blackbird with some ecm bonus' on it - yea well um how is it supposed to harm anyone if she does not can hurt anyone? Shouldnt a Battleship be capable of dealing damage - at least some? Even the new Widow got 5 launcher hardpoints and a rof bonus on it. So why cant the Scorpion be revised and get the missing two high slots with launcher hardpoint to be "in line" with other Battleship.
My solution would be as follows: High slots: 8 (6 missile launcher no turrets) Med slots: no change Low slots: no change +10% Capacitor capacity (base)
Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus: % bonus to cruise and siege missile launcher rate of fire and 10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo velocity per level
My solution would be,meet me on the test server sometime,in your favorite battleship,and see how long you last against my scorp. 1v1,if I can break your tank,no matter how long it takes,I can kill you. It of course might be true that I cant break your tank,but then its a stalemate.
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Demarcus
Killjoy. G Thanks Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.05 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Westly Synpa this is stupid your stupid. Its main weapons are ECM not missiles.
ECM are defensive electronic counter measures not weapons, so that makes you the stupid one. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.05 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: Westly Synpa this is stupid your stupid. Its main weapons are ECM not missiles.
ECM are defensive electronic counter measures not weapons, so that makes you the stupid one.
A weapon is an instrument to do harm. If being blind and without offensive capabilities is not "harm" for you, your definition is really restrictive.
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