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ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.03 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: ghosttr on 03/02/2008 06:51:28
All of the basic cruisers (Cruisers that only require cruiser 1 to use) have a secondary bonus on top of their support role bonus (rep bonus, etc) except the augoror. The minmatar and the caldari ships have bonuses to mining and the gallente one has a large cargohold. But the augoror lacks any bonus other than the support bonus.
The augoror needs another bonus, even if it is only a mining bonus to put it in line with the other racial cruisers.
Also the Maller seems to cost a bit more than the other racial cruisers, costing an average of 9-10m with the most expensive of the other races cruisers costing only 7-8m. The Maller needs to have its material requirments reduced a little bit to put the price in line with the other races cruisers.
Also amarr need another firgate, they lack a dedicated probing frigate that other races have, and currently the Crucifier hull is doing double duty, serving as a hull for both the covops and ecm ships.
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Eka Maladay
Gallente
The Elliance
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Posted - 2008.02.03 08:07:00 -
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augoror does have one, read carefully:
Special ability: 10% bonus to armor hitpoints per level. 10% bonus to capacitor need of energy transfer arrays per level. 500% bonus to range of energy transfer arrays.
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Ro Bustus
Dark Prophecy Inc.
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:16:00 -
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Also amarr seems to be missing its t1 frig with a bonus for scan probes unless im mistaken |
Tes Quin
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Posted - 2008.02.03 16:16:00 -
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they DON'T miss a mining cruiser, the maller can fit 5 turrets (like the gallente thorax), the caldari and minmatar miners mount only 3. it makes them not as good for mining when highly skilled, yes, BUT someone HAS to be last for the sake of versality.
they miss a tech1 tackilng frig and the aforementioned exploration frig:
- up the base cap on the crucifier and remove the cap bonus to lasers. add a tech1 scanning bonus.
it would than gain the use of a cheap neut frig, and the racial t1 scanning frig
- add a 3. mid to the executioner
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ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Tes Quin
they DON'T miss a mining cruiser, the maller can fit 5 turrets (like the gallente thorax), the caldari and minmatar miners mount only 3. it makes them not as good for mining when highly skilled, yes, BUT someone HAS to be last for the sake of versality.
they miss a tech1 tackilng frig and the aforementioned exploration frig:
- up the base cap on the crucifier and remove the cap bonus to lasers. add a tech1 scanning bonus.
it would than gain the use of a cheap neut frig, and the racial t1 scanning frig
- add a 3. mid to the executioner
The maller is the amarr equivalent of the thorax or the caracal, but those are tier3 cruisers that reqquire cruiser 3.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.03 20:34:00 -
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Moa, not caracal.
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.02.03 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tes Quin
they DON'T miss a mining cruiser, the maller can fit 5 turrets (like the gallente thorax), the caldari and minmatar miners mount only 3. it makes them not as good for mining when highly skilled, yes, BUT someone HAS to be last for the sake of versality.
they miss a tech1 tackilng frig and the aforementioned exploration frig:
- up the base cap on the crucifier and remove the cap bonus to lasers. add a tech1 scanning bonus.
it would than gain the use of a cheap neut frig, and the racial t1 scanning frig
- add a 3. mid to the executioner
Good luck fitting 5 80-CPU lasers onto a Maller with room for anything else. You'll be burning at least two lowslots on CPU-IIs just to fit that. No, the Gallente and Amarrian mining cruisers are the Vexor and Arbitrator. 5x Mining Drones T2 and as many lasers as you can cram on there.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.03 22:04:00 -
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turrets grid usage needs to be toned down or increase the base grid on the turret amarrian ships.
ever tried to fit beams in a frigate bar the retribution?
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Tes Quin
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Posted - 2008.02.03 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jurgen Cartis
Good luck fitting 5 80-CPU lasers onto a Maller with room for anything else. You'll be burning at least two lowslots on CPU-IIs just to fit that. No, the Gallente and Amarrian mining cruisers are the Vexor and Arbitrator. 5x Mining Drones T2 and as many lasers as you can cram on there.
you need co-procs for the Osprey as well, if u want any other mods besides the lasers, sure the Maller does not mine that good, but how good is a combat fit Osprey in a lvl2 mission, compared to a Maller or Thorax?
verslity in different hip types. and good point with the drones.
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Sonya Rayner
Unicorn Enterprise
Blind Octopus
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Posted - 2008.02.04 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
turrets grid usage needs to be toned down or increase the base grid on the turret amarrian ships.
ever tried to fit beams in a frigate bar the retribution?
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:26:00 -
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i am very strongly in favour of a a very much needed increase to the CPU and Grid on the Zealot and Omen with the extra slot... im fitting RCU's and PDS's to fit my pulses as it is and it is gunan be hard to fit that 5th slot as much as we needed it
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Oniko Sengir
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
i am very strongly in favour of a a very much needed increase to the CPU and Grid on the Zealot and Omen with the extra slot... im fitting RCU's and PDS's to fit my pulses as it is and it is gunan be hard to fit that 5th slot as much as we needed it
agree.
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Sonya Rayner
Unicorn Enterprise
Blind Octopus
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Posted - 2008.02.05 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
i am very strongly in favour of a a very much needed increase to the CPU and Grid on the Zealot and Omen with the extra slot... im fitting RCU's and PDS's to fit my pulses as it is and it is gunan be hard to fit that 5th slot as much as we needed it
Well, with my current setup i'll be able to fit fifth heavy pulse just fine, although it definitely could get a little CPU boost too ;)
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Verx Interis
Amarr
Aurora Security
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.02.05 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sonya Rayner
Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
i am very strongly in favour of a a very much needed increase to the CPU and Grid on the Zealot and Omen with the extra slot... im fitting RCU's and PDS's to fit my pulses as it is and it is gunan be hard to fit that 5th slot as much as we needed it
Well, with my current setup i'll be able to fit fifth heavy pulse just fine, although it definitely could get a little CPU boost too ;)
I think all Amarr ships need a CPU boost. I always seem to have loads of PG left, even if I use a Laser CPU rig... Either that or Lasers need to use less CPU.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.05 12:17:00 -
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Pilgrim
First thing that needs to happen, is a powergrid boost. 175 - 200mw of more grid. Also, there should be a script, for tracking disruptors, that can only be used on ships which recieve tracking disruptor bonuses:
150% increase to strength for optimal range disruption, falloff disruption, and tracking speed disruption. Yes, it should be able to lock down a turret-based ship.
Same thing would apply to the sensor dampening ships with their related ewar.
(Reasoning: A rapier can web 2-3 targets with a normal setup. A falcon can ecm 5-6 ships with a normal setup. Arazu and the Pilgrim can only lock down 1 ship now, with their normal fits).
Then, any one of these changes:
1) Energy Neutralizer capacitor use bonus
2) Armor resist bonus
3) Nos/Neut range bonus
4) Massively increased capacitor amount or regen (it should be able to run 2 neuts permeantely, without any other mods)
5).. the list goes on. Check the threadnaught in ships & modules.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.05 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Feng Schui
(Reasoning: A rapier can web 2-3 targets with a normal setup. A falcon can ecm 5-6 ships with a normal setup. Arazu and the Pilgrim can only lock down 1 ship now, with their normal fits).
the falcon can lockdown up to 6 ships if you get lucky that is. the situation where you can get only sucessfull jams on 2 targets is also visible.
my fitting is 1 racial of each + 2 multispecs. in a battle I can expect to lockdown up to 6 targets yes, but I'm realistically aiming for just 4, unless I lockdown tacklers with the other 2 multispecs or I get lucky with them.
but sorry about derailing the thread about that small inaccuracy.
the rest of the post recieves a /signed from me
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Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2008.02.05 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Feng Schui
Pilgrim
4) Massively increased capacitor amount or regen (it should be able to run 2 neuts permeantely, without any other mods)
I can run 2 neuts for about 5 minutes.
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