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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2008.02.07 02:01:00 -
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So my inventor toon invents some Sleipnirs, and I buy the adv mat to build the components, everything is going swell, market prices and history looks good, they're selling for 180-190 mil in most places, the build jobs finish and I place the products on the market.
And prices promptly crash below my build cost. There selling in Rens for 156 mil, 165 mil in Oursulaert and Jita. A few days ago none were below 185. Other Minmatar ships are not crashing. Just Sleipnir.
WTF happened?
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2008.02.07 02:34:00 -
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Maybe this has something to do with it. Sleipnir uses up a lot of ferrogel.
/me rushes off to Jita to get some 'gel
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.07 03:26:00 -
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nothing sleipnir-specific there, though. ferrogel ends up in roughly the same amount of components as any other command ship
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Weirana Gatorna
Gallente
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.02.07 10:45:00 -
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Maybe the changes to invention success rates on frigs/destroyers/cruisers/battlecruisers have something to do with it?
Some decryptors have also been "tweaked" I am told, so that may make the ones you have been using less profitable?
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Mikal Drey
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:00:00 -
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hey hey
Things to consider :
1) Component Market
The state of component prices atm have certainly priced me out the market and i now have BPC's of ships laying around in my hanger with build costs above the market. With success rates being poor my invention cost is also to high to place a compettitive priced ship on the market.
2) BPO holders
See Above. ATM they seem to have the advantage or ME levels compared to Invented BPC's and can place ships with tighter margins on the market and drive the price in their favor.
3) Saturation
If you saw the market and knew that you could choose a sleipnir build over a claymore which would you do ? Oh wait thats exactly what you did. Theres many many more people who thought on the same lines and ergo caused a saturation in the market. Did you check the claymore market ? I watched the huginn/rapier market and while the inventors flocked to produce the higher priced rapiers and drove the competition up the Huginn market remained relativly steady but did get a slight boost :))
4) Encryption Methods
These dropped considerably in price and allowed a greater influx of inventors qwhic would also add more competition to the market, drive prices down etc etc. You shopuld also consider that invention has been around enough now that the bandwagon became a steam train and more and more people saw ISKIES \o/ and trained accordingly.
5) Ship death/Popularity
Consider also that to have a decent market turnover on a ship it either needs to explode or have newly trained pilots. With the addition of the new ships you should get a spread of the distribution over pilots so sleipnirs may take a drop in popularity. Also with the addition of rigs and other "balancing" im certainly finding my ships last a little longer than usual and apart from a few HIC's and EAS i havebt felt the need to replenish my ship supplies quite yet. Again im pretty sure im not the only one.
im pretty sure theres other economial crap that some egghead/whizzkid can tell you that me as a layman has completely overlooked/missed
Mikal Drey
Inventor of fine Tech II Matari based products.
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Babeele
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:33:00 -
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I'd say you have two Sleipnir BPO owners competing for the same market. You, as inventor have no chance to match the price. That's why you will have to move on something else.
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Nummb
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.07 23:16:00 -
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How much do you need the isk now? Be a patient seller and just leave them on the market. If you set them up as a 3 month sell order then go do something else for a bit. The market usually corrects itself every once in a while and your ships will eventually sell.
You could also actively scout out people flying Sleipnirs and get some friends to gank them so that they need new ships 
 Originally by: Shadarle
Roleplaying may be a good way to get chicks... not sure it works for investors. Unless the investors are chicks.
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William Ortega
Grave Diggers
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.07 23:35:00 -
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I agree with Mikal. I personally think its points 1 and 3 that did the most damage. Prices will even out eventually, but meanwhile people will be stuck with either selling at a loss or having money tied up in non-liquid assets.
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:23:00 -
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The only time BPO owners will affect price is if the market demand is less than the BPO supply. Otherwise inventors will be the ones setting the price. These were sure to tumble as invention got much much cheaper and you could focus your effort on the more profitable command ships. The less profitable ones had more supply than demand so were being set in price by BPO owners. (especially with everyone inventing 'free' BPCs when the accidentally got one). Now the supply of these can meet the demand for less, the price will drop.
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