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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.07 10:54:00 -
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Economy doesn't need ISK sinks that much, because it appears that material gets produced at a higher rate then ISK does (obviously), which means that the ISK surplus generated is necessary for us not to have deflation (which is bad).
At any rate, it doesn't make sense to pay the crews anything then a very very paltry sum. As I said, 10K ISK in EvE is a huge sum - buys you a shuttle with 1K to spare, a relatively big technologically advanced ship with warp capability. Petty change for a pod pilot, but a enormous sum for expendeable crewmembers? ;)
Bonuses, even small, will absolutely be used on the very pimped setups, or setups which are min/maxing a few attributes (think speedfits, tank fits) which people already whine about. We don't need that.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.07 11:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Cpt Branko
Economy doesn't need ISK sinks that much, because it appears that material gets produced at a higher rate then ISK does (obviously), which means that the ISK surplus generated is necessary for us not to have deflation (which is bad).
At any rate, it doesn't make sense to pay the crews anything then a very very paltry sum. As I said, 10K ISK in EvE is a huge sum - buys you a shuttle with 1K to spare, a relatively big technologically advanced ship with warp capability. Petty change for a pod pilot, but a enormous sum for expendeable crewmembers? ;)
Bonuses, even small, will absolutely be used on the very pimped setups, or setups which are min/maxing a few attributes (think speedfits, tank fits) which people already whine about. We don't need that.
that's why making them a fuel "biomass" would be cool.
and maybe if you **** them off to much they run up to the deck where your pod is and they break it open and kill you.
"WE WILL NOT GO INTO HIGHSEC DAMN IT! WERE -10.00!!"
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Voodoo Dog
Gallente
Pilots of the Apocolypse
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Posted - 2008.02.07 11:06:00 -
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I like the concept of crew, but instead of generated crew, on the bigger ships i would like to see the option of multiple pilots in the one ship, operating guns/piloting etc...
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.07 11:20:00 -
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No I dont want crew on my ship...
I dont want to ride my pod home thinking about how many mothers and wifes I have to call today... Again...
me> Hello Mrs. Dirkson, I'm sorry your son has passed away.
mrs. Dirkson> Omg nooooooo my dear Kuiarian.
me> silence
mrs. Dirkson> What happened, did he fall bravely?
me> No, no he didn't fall bravely, actually he had been tinkering with the ships shield and armor resists before we went out and in the heat of the battle it turned out that we had a major malfunction in those systems being short 10% EM and 10% explosive.
mrs. Dirkson> Sobs uncontrollable
me> Hello Ms. Smith, I'm sorry to inform you that your last son has joined his 14 brothers
Ms. Smith> OMG NOT YOU AGAIN YOU &&$%#%^&*&#$%
me> I know this is hard to take loosing all of your 14 sons in 2 days time and you have my sympathy!
Ms. Smith> I'll have your sorry ass courtmarshalled <disconnects video phone whilst holding up her middle finger>
call #234552
me> Your son is dead and he was a utter failure...
Random mother> shocked in disbelieve
me> If he wasnt I wouldnt be searching for another crew, yet again, and taking a deep dip in my wallet, yet again...
Random mother> Utters incomprehensible words...
me> So jeah don't sign any of your other looser sons up for service, kk...
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N'irrti
Amarr
Reach Fuileach
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Posted - 2008.02.07 11:33:00 -
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I got dead frozen bodys in my cargo that's all the company i need on my ship 
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Brutoth Tain
Independant Recon and Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2008.02.07 11:54:00 -
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We can have crews as long as I get to have T2 Scotty, just imagine when you run out of cap.
We need more power!!
I'm sorry captain she canny do anymore, shes coming apart at the seams!!!!
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.07 11:58:00 -
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I still wish they changed heat to REALLY let us set how much we overheat :/
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Philip North
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:46:00 -
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This comes up a lot, and its pretty simple. The backstory clearly states there are crew the ships, the pod pilots simply do not think or care about them.
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Flootles
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:48:00 -
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I know! Let's over-complicate the game with needless features, that serve no purpose, and implement them in the typical inelegant way. Beautiful!
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Fallen Shadow
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Posted - 2008.02.08 00:28:00 -
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I want to thank all the people who added construtive ideas, but it does look like there is some interest.
To the people that are saying. "All I want is another bonus" Whats wrong with that, the idea is to add more depth to the feel of the universe. If you include it without some bouns everyone will complain about micro managing.
Myself, I like the idea of having a few key personal that I can mold and it would be cool to have something for not losing your ship all the time. (yes a bouns for Care bears)
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.08 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Fallen Shadow
To the people that are saying. "All I want is another bonus" Whats wrong with that, the idea is to add more depth to the feel of the universe. If you include it without some bouns everyone will complain about micro managing.
Myself, I like the idea of having a few key personal that I can mold and it would be cool to have something for not losing your ship all the time. (yes a bouns for Care bears)
Carebears ;)
Adding more bonuses != adding depth - if nothing, it makes for more maxed out setups, which we don't need in gameplay terms.
To have something for not losing your ship all the time means I have to do some NPC grinding for my ship to fully shine so I can pew-pew more effectively, what is just stupid really. Besides, it rewards ships that only partially engage (and run away if things don't go as expected) which is a valid tactic, but shouldn't be rewarded any more then it is now in contrast to going up close and personal what 'bonuses for keeping your ship alive for a while' penalize.
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Xerpex
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Xerpex on 08/02/2008 01:45:16
This is the least moronic idea for crews I have read. Adds personality to your ship, and pushes you to keep the long living ones for longer.
edit: It still has the potential for messing things up.
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Jason Travers
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:51:00 -
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How about this. Get rid of all ship bonuses and replace them with crew members. Like for each ship type you get 1-2 additional crew slots. A frig class gets 1, destroyer gets 1 cruiser 2, BC 2 or 3 and so forth and so on. It gives the pilot the option of setting their own benefits, but you can have only on of any given crew. Example you can only have on engineer. Their effectiveness would be based on your current skills. On something like a titan they should be able to carry one of every type.
Tactical officer (drones/missiles)
Electronics officer (electronics)
Engineering officer (engineering)
Gunnery officer (guns)
Communications officer (leadership)
Navigator (navigation)
Science officer (science/scanning)
These guys/gals should also be like the rig slots. You pull them they are gone and you have to hire new ones. Also they should start out fairly low in their bonuses but increase with the more combat experience with a cap on their abilities.
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Jack Jombardo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:16:00 -
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Finaly I had a place for all my captured Slaves and Janitors ....
WORK, let my shine ship blink!
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Spenz
Gallente
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Spenz on 08/02/2008 02:25:54
I would think crew members would be useful as a cheaper form of rig. Make them cheaper than rigs, remove the penalties that rigs have, but decrease their bonuses by 2/3's (just like boosters and synth boosters). If there is a problem with ultra high bonuses with rigs and crew on the same ship, just stacking penalize them.
If it's true CCP doesn't want to add them because it increases the human element, then why do they want to add planetary control/colonization/conquest and ground combat? You're going to be annihilating MILLIONS of innocent people in massive land campaigns and orbital bombardments. I don't see how adding crewmembers can top that.
Synth boosters made drugs more accessible to the masses. Crew imo would make integrated ship bonuses (rigs) more accessible to the masses who don't have 15 mil (at least) to spend on one add-on.
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ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:49:00 -
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All I want is a helmsman or a gunner, either of which who can do their job.
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I saw the Sign...!
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Herz Ing
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Posted - 2008.02.08 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Micia
Originally by: Ron Bacardi
I always wondered why the ships look like they have windows, when they all just have one pilot in a gooey pod. 
That's because your ship does actually have a crew; even the pod-piloted ones. 
Just my own opinion, but rigs should have been named "specialised crew" or something similar. Rig production should have been called "recruitment", or the like.
Still putting in the needed resources (and expenses) of creating an item that boosts certain capabilities... but setting it within the whole backstory universe.
Holy ****! I'm a mass murderer and I didn't even know it! I think I should go read the fiction now......
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Chelone
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Posted - 2008.02.08 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
I really wish that once your into sturture if people could instead shoot other parts of your ship.
engines, warp drive, even the self distrut mechanism.
and then you can ransom then or just steal the ship :P
or leave them there until they get out or burn to death.
Here we observe the sociopathic space pirate in its native habitat, gorging on the flesh of its victims.
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Cid Gurung
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Posted - 2008.02.08 03:55:00 -
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how about having crews be an issue only for battle ships and larger?
No bonuses, but just to allow cap ships to run like adding fuel?
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Liliane Woodhead
Intergalactic Charwomen
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Posted - 2008.02.08 04:05:00 -
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Fallen Shadow, my dear. You often forget that the crew is drinking beer. Modern La-Dai or Creodon design makes use of Hampst0rz.
... they are very easy to feed and fit. Okay, sometimes after patches they'll spin the wheel. But my crew is pretty wonderful 
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