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Sha4d13	Posted - 2008.02.07 15:45:00 - [1] I don't think anyone can seriously argue that self destructing in combat, so as to deprive your assailaints of a killmail, is anything other than lame. There can be no reason other than to deprive them of a killmail, to self destruct in mid combat. That being the case, is there any good reason why a warp disruptor (of whatever kind) should not interfere with the electronics which operate the self destruct sequence? i.e. You can't initiate self destruct whilst scrambled. Thoughts?
Sgt Napalm Synergy Fundacion	Posted - 2008.02.07 15:46:00 - [2] kay
Erialor Godsent Gallente Conisor Excavations Syndicate Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.02.07 16:05:00 - [3] Self-destructing as to make sure the agressor gets no loot - kinda makes sense to me that some might consider self-destructing instead of having their enemies enjoying their juicy leftovers... -- Get Your Crumplecorn signature here.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.02.07 16:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Sha4d13 I don't think anyone can seriously argue that self destructing in combat, so as to deprive your assailaints of a killmail, is anything other than lame. There can be no reason other than to deprive them of a killmail, to self destruct in mid combat. If you are killing someone only for a killmail, you should be playing Counterstrike. Also, self-destructing deprives the attackers of any loot. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Firkragg PREDATORS OF DESTRUCTION	Posted - 2008.02.07 16:07:00 - [5] Sometimes this backfires. I jumped into a 15 man camp of the local antipirates. A quick look at their gang make up showed mostly BS and CS so i made a run for it in my sac (not nano). I quickly burn out of weapons range of all but the cruise ravens but they have a nano cyclone keeping me scrammed and its slightly faster than my sac. I start shooting the cyclone and quickly burn through its shields and he activates the self destruct. HE continues to chase but e keeps running out of cap and dropping out of weapons range and then coming back into it and so after a while hes at 10% structure and runs off. By this time i have used up the 3 cap boosters i had started with and we are far enough out for people from the camp to warp on top of us so i make my escape. Seconds later i see in local "who exploded?". Turns out guy didnt turn off his self destruct :D Shame i dont get a mail but it was worth it for the laughs it gave me.
Jamie Freely	Posted - 2008.02.07 16:08:00 - [6] No really, you play the game for kill mail?
Agif Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.07 16:10:00 - [7] I do like collecting kill mails however the kill itself is a kill. If you force him to self destruct then you have achieved your goal. Snds like someone SD'd when you were attacking them and didnt get the spoils of his Dmail --------------- EvEmissions - Level 5 Missions - Updated 22/01/08
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.02.07 16:46:00 - [8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling nuff said ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Barashi Nugan Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:24:00 - [9] I would have no problems with someone self-destructing who felt they were obviously going to lose. Killmails are worthless, unless you're on a merc contract that pays per kill. Mostly they are just for epeen wagging. Not to say I don't try to swing mine around every now and then myself. If I was pinned down, unable to escape, hopelessly out-gunned/numbered, and was certain I had zero chance of backup arriving (even if it's too late to save me, at least I can keep the enemy around long enough for backup to engage and take some out), then I might pull the pin too. I could care less about the kill/lossmail, I'm just wanting to make sure they don't get all the shiny mods that may drop. To be honest, the only situation I could think of this happening is if I was in a nicely tanked Drake, but against a decent battleship with no stargate in sight and no backup online. I might survive long enough then to actually take advantage of it.
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:27:00 - [10] does it not take 120 seconds to self destruct anyways? seems quite a length of time.................. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo
Auron Shadowbane Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:48:00 - [11] self destructing is fine. whiners like you are not. period
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:49:00 - [12] Quote: There can be no reason other than to deprive them of a killmail, to self destruct in mid combat. Denying them loot? Depriving kill mail chasers of a kill mail is just kind of icing on the cake for some people, I guess.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Maltitol does it not take 120 seconds to self destruct anyways? seems quite a length of time.................. Not when you have to grind through the hull of a capital ship
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Maltitol does it not take 120 seconds to self destruct anyways? seems quite a length of time.................. Not when you have to grind through the hull of a capital ship It must save you a lot of ammo when they blow themselves up, then, eh?
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Maltitol does it not take 120 seconds to self destruct anyways? seems quite a length of time.................. Not when you have to grind through the hull of a capital ship if they hit self destruct, and i feel within 120 seconds i can blow them up, i do so, otherwise i stop shooting. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo
Kayamas	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:13:00 - [16] Looks like someone was deprived of a precious kill-mail. So it's the victim who had the last laugh after all?
Yaggher Xanuben	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:23:00 - [17] Make it unable to move, warp and activate any modules after a player has started to self destruct.
Sarah Stewart	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:32:00 - [18] I'm surprised people would consider a self destruct sequence during combat. I picture two scenarios, A: I am currently scrambled by one or two individuals, and have a chance of escaping, or B: I have been scrambled by a 10-20 man fleet that would annihilate my tank before I could say, "oh snap." I use the self-destruct to collect on waining insur- ... I mean, perfectly legitimized methods of recouping costs upon ships with little or no worth. =D
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.07 21:11:00 - [19] How can the "Last great act of defiance" be considered lame? I mean you DID defeat the enemy, right? Eve is more than killboards and E-Peen. Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Brutoth Tain Independant Recon and Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2008.02.07 21:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Sha4d13 I don't think anyone can seriously argue that self destructing in combat, so as to deprive your assailaints of a killmail, is anything other than lame. There can be no reason other than to deprive them of a killmail, to self destruct in mid combat. That being the case, is there any good reason why a warp disruptor (of whatever kind) should not interfere with the electronics which operate the self destruct sequence? i.e. You can't initiate self destruct whilst scrambled. Thoughts? Gankbear detected
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.02.07 21:24:00 - [21] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 07/02/2008 21:25:26 Originally by: Sha4d13 There can be no reason other than to deprive them of a killmail, to self destruct in mid combat. Some people find it amusing collecting as many kills as possible. That is allowed by the system. However, therein lies a reason to rob someone from the killmain. Both are lame though. Killing people should be for a reason outside the killmail, and selfdestructing should be for other reasons then rob a player for killmails. But we live in a lame world, so this is what we get. Untill people find joy in combat for other reasons then killmails, I am sure this wont change. Not sure it would change then either. Cheating the enemy for the murder on them is a obious pleasure. To be honest, killboards are in many ways ruining the ways the game should have been played. without paying to much attentions to the killmail! Now people live breath and die by it! And that is why I think CCP have not introduced a global and official killboard. Originally by: CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.02.08 03:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Sha4d13 I don't think anyone can seriously argue that self destructing in combat, so as to deprive your assailaints of a killmail, is anything other than lame. There can be no reason other than to deprive them of a killmail, to self destruct in mid combat. That being the case, is there any good reason why a warp disruptor (of whatever kind) should not interfere with the electronics which operate the self destruct sequence? i.e. You can't initiate self destruct whilst scrambled. Thoughts? Because if you know you are doomed and there is nothing you can do about it, which is often the case in EvE PvP, then the only one little thing you can do to spite your assailents is to self destruct. Why give them anything for murdering you? Why even give them the killmail? +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.08 03:29:00 - [23] I think self destruct should be a legitimate tactic, -as long as the person self destructing get no insurance payout for his loss. Self destructing and keeping the insurance is stupid, its like burning down your own house for the insurance money, the insurance company wouldn't allow that would they A bigger eve Annndd..Player Factions
Chelone	Posted - 2008.02.08 03:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Tarminic If you are killing someone only for a killmail, you should be playing Counterstrike. Oh god. AGREED. My old corp/alliance, so many killmail *****s. I'd fly things like ECM-only Blackbirds which would actually help the gang immensely and give up killmails, while many of them nerfed their overall effectiveness just to make sure they got on as many KM's as possible. Pathetic.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.08 03:47:00 - [25] Originally by: ghosttr I think self destruct should be a legitimate tactic, -as long as the person self destructing get no insurance payout for his loss. Self destructing and keeping the insurance is stupid, its like burning down your own house for the insurance money, the insurance company wouldn't allow that would they This is probably the best idea.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.08 03:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: There can be no reason other than to deprive them of a killmail, to self destruct in mid combat. Denying them loot? Depriving kill mail chasers of a kill mail is just kind of icing on the cake for some people, I guess. Self-destructed ships still drop loot.
Lord Fitz Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.08 03:51:00 - [27] Originally by: Gamesguy Self-destructed ships still drop loot. Yeah that's what I thought, all this talk about them not dropping loot has been frankly very confusing. If it were true self-destructing would be genius and an excellent tactic.
Akkrillo Dread Lords	Posted - 2008.02.08 03:51:00 - [28] Originally by: ghosttr Self destructing and keeping the insurance is stupid, its like burning down your own house for the insurance money, the insurance company wouldn't allow that would they they would if you make it appear to be an accident
Lord Fitz Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.08 03:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: ghosttr I think self destruct should be a legitimate tactic, -as long as the person self destructing get no insurance payout for his loss. Self destructing and keeping the insurance is stupid, its like burning down your own house for the insurance money, the insurance company wouldn't allow that would they This is probably the best idea. Sounds good, while they're putting conditions on insurance payouts, none for being concorded either.
Liliane Woodhead Intergalactic Charwomen	Posted - 2008.02.08 04:07:00 - [30] I am in a monty python thread. You mean "life of brian" ? Cool !

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