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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.02.07 20:17:00 -
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The recurring feature "The Law of the Game" on Joystiq is currently running an interesting article on the legal ramifications of virtual property theft. I'm sure anyone who's been a victim of a scam or corp theft has thought, in the heat of the moment, about taking the scumbag to court.
The short answer is that you can't. The long answer is in the article.
Although EvE isn't explicitly mentioned in the article (he doesn't even mention international issues) I think it's interesting how the guy with a law degree breaks down the situation and the consequences of enforcing online property rights in the real world.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2008.02.07 21:05:00 -
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Isnt it pretty simple? Its not your property, therefore it cant be theft. All 1 and 0s in the game are the property of CCP. And Im not even a lawyer.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.02.07 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/02/2008 21:10:52
EULA says everything in Eve belongs to CCP. CCP says theft is a part of the game.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.07 21:09:00 -
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Read the EULA: You don't "own" anything, all your ISKies belong to CCP. All a corp thief is doing is moving stuff from the top left drawer of CCP's cabinet to the bottom right drawer 
Now Second Life might have other ramnifications, but you can be sure that they are fully aware of what is considered liability and have a full house of lawyers ready to defend themselves.
 Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Kateryne
Minmatar
Quantum Quandry
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Posted - 2008.02.08 08:09:00 -
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CCP have one of the best written EULAs i have come across to date, and i would just love to see someone try to take them to court over something like this
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Rabbitgod
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.02.08 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Rabbitgod on 08/02/2008 08:37:24
Originally by: Jonathan Calvert
Isnt it pretty simple? Its not your property, therefore it cant be theft. All 1 and 0s in the game are the property of CCP. And Im not even a lawyer.
You so obviously win the obvious award for obvious geniuses who realize the obvious.
/That really was prise. Thank for being first before the "my stuff is my stuff weather it's virtual or not debate".
//The IRS will still one day figure out away to tax people for their isk, gold, and gil thou.
...and thats what happen to ASCN while you were gone for a year.
Rabbitgod: Alcoholism, I has it now.
---{24th member of the 23}---
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.02.08 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Joystiq
However, in the case of games with real currency ties, it might be more feasible to get a cybercrime or identity theft investigator to look into the issue, since actual money is involved.
My view is that all's fair in Eve. Theft, scams, what have you are part of the game and more the victims fault anyway.
However, when considering the Second Life model of $->virtual goods in conjunction with the above quote, it might not be long until a precedent is set. Then Eve's $->GTC->isk->shineys isn't that far off from Second Life.
God, I hope not. Interweb Lolyers stay away from Eve imo! 
Another semi-interesting thought is what about account ownership? We should all understand that someone suicide ganking you outside Jita and stealing your billions of isk worth of Chelmo's Heat Sink body lotion is part of the game design and you just lost. However, what if your roommate steals your account? Is that different?
If your neighbor cut the coax going to your house basically stealing your cable, I'm sure the law could get involved. Probably more along the lines of him destroying the cable company's property or perhaps violating some FCC thing... But would he be charged for denying you a service that you had paid for?
That is close in concept to someone stealing your account and denying you a service you had purchased...
meh, I don't know. Stay paranoid imo. Keeps this kind of crap from happening in the first place.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente
Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2008.02.08 08:47:00 -
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The argument, it all belongs to CCP is flawed.
For example, one can steal money. All money, however, belongs to the issuing bank (eg the Bank of England).
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2008.02.08 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sha4d13 on 08/02/2008 10:14:17
Originally by: Sphynx Stormlord
The argument, it all belongs to CCP is flawed.
For example, one can steal money. All money, however, belongs to the issuing bank (eg the Bank of England).
Not very accurate.
The physical tender belongs to the issuing bank- but you will see that the money contains a signed statement from the bank promising to pay the bearer the sum on the face of the note... The chose in action - i.e. the money itself (in abstract form rather than the physical coinage) does not belong to the bank.
There is in any event a further point which makes all this pointless. To be guilty of theft you have to "dishonestly" deprive someone. Given that scamming is within the rules of a game we all choose to play, there is not a court in the land that would consider it dishonest.
Anymore than you could claim that you lost at poker because somsone bluffed- and that he was therefore dishonest in obtaining your money.
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