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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.06.12 01:05:00 -
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If someone else has already proposed this idea, let me know and I'll drop it.
I propose the formation of a Free Trade Alliance, composed entirely of Alternative characters.
- The alliance would be composed solely of a N00b militia...when pirate activity is reported (like the M0o blockade of Mara), we can use our alts to swarm into the system. Even in newbie ships, we can damage them en masse'.
- More importantly, we can act as a damage sponge, running interferrence for the "real" pirate hunting corps in well-armed cruisers to attack; and overloading their targeting systems (they cant target 100 ships at once).
- This carries no risk to you, since you really stand nothing to lose except maybe a little time. You die, you respawn in a fresh newbie ship. The assets and skills of your "real" character are protected and immune to retaliation.
- We can mobilize at a moment's notice. Pirate characters cant be online with more than one character at a time, so they have no way to counter us. We can more than make up for the lack of firepower by sheer numbers.
It is time for us to take back the tradelanes...the Alpha Wolf only remains in control so long as the rest of the pack does not turn on him. The masses will no longer be ignored. Together we can defeat them.
I would be willing to front the initial isk to start this corporation, and maybe even a little extra to arm and equip our newbie ships. Post here if you think you might be interested in participating.
Sadistic Savior
Evil Enterprises
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Aknot
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Posted - 2003.06.12 01:09:00 -
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Sure, why not.
A lot of people really need to sign up, tho.
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Xanif
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Posted - 2003.06.12 01:17:00 -
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If you can organize it, more power to you. I suggest staying away from the name "Final Solution" though...
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.06.12 01:24:00 -
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What is there to organize?
No officers. No organization. No Taxes. As CEO I will not do anything except provide a common platform...thats it.
We are a mob, pure and simple. And when the pirates try to set up their villages in our tradelanes, we will all surge over them like a tidal wave and burn their village to the ground. Podding any we can in the process (Podding holds a little less significance to a disposible newbie character, no?).
There are way way more of us than there are of them...it's simple numbers. With the current game mechanics, if even 1 in 10 people participate, thats all it will take. We can mobilize at a moments notice, and there isnt a damn thing they could do to stop us.
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Xanif
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Posted - 2003.06.12 01:26:00 -
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Ok...naming it "Final Solution" is still probably not for the best though. I don't know how many people will jump at the opportunity to join a corp named after the Holocaust.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2003.06.12 01:28:00 -
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was my thinking... also i dont see how ur gonna swarm em when they jus fly into the swarm and lay off sum smartbombs then u all ded
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.06.12 01:28:00 -
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hahahaha....I am not naming it final solution. I was just trying to be clever...I apologize if anyone is offended.
The name of the corp will be Free Trade Alliance (or somthing similar).
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.06.12 01:31:00 -
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So? Do they have unlimited smart bombs?
It costs us nothing to die.
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Xanif
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Posted - 2003.06.12 01:32:00 -
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Actually...umm, yes. They are m0o, they can replace smartbombs just as fast as you use them up. But combined with an attack force with punch, it could do serious damage to them.
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.06.12 01:34:00 -
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They can teleport them into their holds? No, I didnt know Mo0 could do that.
Even if they could, I doubt they could target all of us AND the main cruisers at once. Damage sponge.
Edited by: Sadistic Savior on 12/06/2003 01:47:07 |
Cassim
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Posted - 2003.06.12 02:19:00 -
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Hello?!?!?!! smart bombs are re-usable, its not a one time shot :) so bring your newbie fleet in. I think we have seen your 6 ibis' already.
Ywev
m0o
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Ywev
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Posted - 2003.06.12 02:19:00 -
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Hello?!?!?!! smart bombs are re-usable, its not a one time shot :) so bring your newbie fleet in. I think we have seen your 6 ibis' already.
Ywev
m0o
Pod ya later..
Ywev
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.06.12 02:23:00 -
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Heh heh heh, I didnt know Smart Bombs had unlimited range. Wow.
6 Ibises is a joke. 30 will make you take notice. 50 will be devastating.
Destroy us as much as you like...we lose nothing. Ibises are free as candy. |
Wyke DeRainger
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Posted - 2003.06.12 02:24:00 -
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I know I've just written in an earlier post that tactics shouldn't be discussed. But this one has major merit to it. The word needs spreading.
Is it cheating. No we're using the 'game mechanics' as members of 'that group never to be mentioned again' have so often said about their activities. All we are doing is warming up basic clones, programing them as cannon fodder and sending them off on a one way mission.
The only concern I have is would the game be able to cope with so many players in the same place at the same time?
This would need some serious planning in game. I've already pinned my colours to the mast so to speak. So Sadistic Saviour if you don't mind me hijacking your idea. I'd like to move this to the Events forum and ask people to start contacting me in game. Especially CEO's of Hunter Corps.
Oh, and for any pirates reading this Wyke is long due a long holiday from space, so he'll be planting himself in his home station for a long, long time.
And. Oh again. Perhaps a GM or dev could look at this and give some guidence about possible system problems with so many players being massed in the same place.
Edited by: Wyke DeRainger on 12/06/2003 02:26:25
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.06.12 02:34:00 -
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I'm editing this because I left a smartass comment to your post without reading the whole message.
I'm actually not interested in leading a militia corp myself...I only offered to host to get the ball rolling. If you want to make a try for it, more power to you. I will even join.
Technically...it isnt cheating. We are using multiple characters is a way not intended by the developers...but so what? So is Mo0. By using my alt as a disposible thorn in M0o's side, I dont think I'm cheating. And it is still pretty fun.
My in-game name is Sadistic Savior as well...contact me when you have everything worked out and I will be glad to help. I might even donate some cash to the cause.
Edited by: Sadistic Savior on 12/06/2003 02:40:30
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RAPID
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Posted - 2003.06.12 17:18:00 -
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lol i discussed exactly this 'zerg' tactic with alts in weeks 1 & 2 when moo were running around the mim systems...
i even opened and in game channel and went recruting in 3 mim newbie channels (who were all suffering the most from moo at the time)
we even had specced support slashers running webifiers and scramblers and investigated mine-laying on far side of gates for when moo chased back though (and they used to chase you - zzap once chased me across 3 systems - didnt get me though:)
the plan was perfect - i even opened a channel for planning -but after a week we never got more than a dozen people - you needed (I reckoned) about 50 then - you'd probbaly need more now..
good plan - but you will find it very hard to pull the numbers..
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2003.06.12 17:22:00 -
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I think it would actually be kind of fun to see 800 Newbies run into a blockade.
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Commissar Gaunt
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Posted - 2003.06.12 19:28:00 -
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Operation "Get Behind The N00bies" lol
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Xane
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Posted - 2003.06.12 19:43:00 -
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When I played Asherons Call I used to hang out on the Vault forums, one of the choice PvP ones, and on a regular occurrance we used to get dorks from the mandatory PvP server forum come over and attempt to wind us all up saying "carebear" every post o_0 etc etc etc.
In the end the ofrum regulars organised a night of the naked hairy men, we all created n00b characters on the PvP server and stripped naked, ran into town and mobbed all the uber-players with our little knives until they left.
Of course we died, a lot, but they got hardly any x.p. from it and were really browned off, eventually leaving town. The potential shame of getting your Greater Celdon clad warrior owned by a level one character was too great for them.
It was a scream.
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Insomnia
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Posted - 2003.06.12 20:46:00 -
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I posted this idea earlier in the week and it got shot down pretty fast.
There's at least 1000 people in Caldari space logged in at one time. We can't get 100 alt characters with noob ships together?
I even raised the stakes a little and mentioned condors, bantams and merlins. For the 200,000 isk you pay moo in a toll you could buy your alt a merlin.
But nobody wants to do anything, all they want to do is grief a rock for 8 hours watching over their shoulders, flinching at the site of another ship 30km away. This would HAVE to be more fun than that.
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.06.13 00:34:00 -
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You guys are missing the point.
You only turn people off by making it "involved". No isk incentives...no power structure...no strategy. nothing except a mob.
Keep it simple; An army of N00b alts with starter ships. No, I dont believe that Smartbombs are some kind of magical bullet that can kill newbie ships endlessly. And lag goes both ways.
Keep it simple, and the next time they pull their blockade sh*t, we all swarm in. It would not even take that many....50 would be enough. I have seen 5000+ online at peak hours...I am sure a militia of 50 newbie ships is do-able.
Oh...and I hope no one is getting the mistaken impression that I am some sort of anti-pirate carebear. I love Mo0. I love the interest they have added to the game. But they cant be allowed to roam at will doing whatever the hell they want...IMO this is a quick and dirty solution. We dont have to wait for CCP to "fix" security in empire space. We can do it ourselves.
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Shari
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Posted - 2003.06.13 01:44:00 -
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Now THAT would be genuinely hilarious, a thousand newbie ships with civilian gattling guns screaming "FOR THE SWARM!" and attacking a couple of unsuspecting cruisers.
Funny as it would be, I don't think it is a very good idea, and I'll tell you why.
First of all, MOO has shaped up to some degree in the last while. Don't misunderstand, there are still a good number of them that can't seem to grasp that whole 'killing indiscriminately isn't being a pirate' thing, its being a *****, but some of the others have started getting a little more mature about the pirate deal.
Some of them are simply extorting 'protection' money in some astroid fields and others are pirating isk and goods at jump gates before allowing people to pass. This is good, this is the first time I've seen someone looking to actually play a pirate and not a griefer, and I want it to continue.
Now that some of them are starting to shape up I can see moo being a good asset to the game, and I don't think assets deserve to be lamed.
Make no mistake, you can and should look to attack and kill them whenever the chance presents itself, but you shouldn't sink to laming in order to get the job done.
Conflict is good, as long as everyone shows each other a little respect.
Just my 2 'sid.
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.06.13 02:38:00 -
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You make your own respect...thats the whole point. I should not be required to give it to you by default.
I have zero problems with pirates...even pirates who choose to act like serial killers. This is a RPG right? Why the hell cant I role play a serial killer if I want?
No, my problem was that Mo0 invaded a system under Empire control, and then had the GALL to whine and cry when the police came in and wiped them out. WTF? As if the Caldari would allow some pirates to just invade one of their systems and do nothing.
A newbie militia is a good way to resolve irritations like the Mara blockade without having to wait for CCP response. It's also more fun IMO. It will work if it is simple enough....next time it happens, I will definitly join the fight even if it's only me an 10 other people.
There are obviously way more carebears on this server than non-carebears....why not use their numbers to their advantage. Suicide has no meaning if you have nothing to lose.
What would be REALLY funny is if this n00b swarm managed to pod even one of them...THAT would be hysterical.
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shaved tiger
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Posted - 2003.06.13 06:28:00 -
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Remember tamers killing people with army of rabbits in UO just for fun? :)
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Rising Sin
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Posted - 2003.06.13 09:02:00 -
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I would LOVE to see this just for the sheer hilarity of it. Heck, maybe I'd even join in.
Edited by: Rising Sin on 13/06/2003 09:02:03
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Khaar Sibet
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Posted - 2005.05.10 04:51:00 -
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well, since you suggested it, why don't you lead it? i'll sign up if you do |
DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.10 05:02:00 -
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ffs just ban all these thread ressurecting****s.
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.05.10 06:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Sadistic Savior
Heh heh heh, I didnt know Smart Bombs had unlimited range. Wow.
6 Ibises is a joke. 30 will make you take notice. 50 will be devastating.
Destroy us as much as you like...we lose nothing. Ibises are free as candy.
Dude, I'll take your 50 civilian whatever guns on in a frig. I travel faster and have a longer range. Wheres the problem? The only devestating thing will be the lag.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.05.10 07:28:00 -
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Yes, please avoid .Final Solution'.
ex P-TMC
If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
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David Goodwill
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Posted - 2005.05.10 09:00:00 -
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Holy thread ressurection Batman! 
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Mating call of a pirate...
"rarrggghhh, omg r0x0r, ph34r meeeee"
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